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Pubic sector reform. Finally.

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  • 08-03-2011 10:48am
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    mathie
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    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2011/0308/1224291591888.html

    With the finance portfolio being split into two component parts, it is expected that Fine Gael’s Michael Noonan will become minister for finance and Labour’s Joan Burton will become the minister with responsibility for expenditure and pubic sector reform.

    STEPHEN COLLINS and HARRY McGEE

    Legends.


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    Biggins
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    Whats the betting they'll make a balls of it! :D

    (couldn't resist)


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    scico rocks
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    mathie wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2011/0308/1224291591888.html

    With the finance portfolio being split into two component parts, it is expected that Fine Gael’s Michael Noonan will become minister for finance and Labour’s Joan Burton will become the minister with responsibility for expenditure and pubic sector reform.

    STEPHEN COLLINS and HARRY McGEE

    Legends.

    Hopefully changes - and i mean big changes - will happen to get rid of the waste that is the public sector. Seriously overstaffed, lack of hard work, every kind of ridiculous perk ie. term time, taking the whole summer off etc will finally be a thing of the past..........


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    token56
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    Not a bad idea if Joan Burton wasn't going to be in charge of it


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    chin_grin
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    mathie wrote: »
    pubic sector reform.

    HARRY McGEE

    <chuckle>


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    u140acro3xs7dm
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    token56 wrote: »
    Not a bad idea if Joan Burton wasn't going to be in charge of it
    Just the thought of her horrible whiny voice babbling on about reform is making me feel nauseous.


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    BizzyC
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    labour in charge of public sector.....unions will be running the country now...


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    chin_grin
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    scico rocks wrote: »
    Hopefully changes - and i mean big changes - will happen to get rid of the waste that is the public sector. Seriously overstaffed, lack of hard work, every kind of ridiculous perk ie. term time, taking the whole summer off etc will finally be a thing of the past..........

    Right I'm going to point this out before it descends in to just out and out public sector bashing. (And possibly trolling). And no, I'm not 'in' it. But it's just something I've come to notice............

    It's like any other job. You're going to get the wasters that will sit on their holes and think they can still get away with doing the absolute minimum, but then you get the ones that are breaking their backs and who realise that they are lucky to have a job, etc etc. Enrolling in loads of courses to get ahead and just being the backbone of the place.

    If it comes to it I do hope the wasters get a good kick up the ar$e.


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    mathie
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    chin_grin wrote: »
    Right I'm going to point this out before it descends in to just out and out public sector bashing. (And possibly trolling). And no, I'm not 'in' it. But it's just something I've come to notice............

    It's like any other job. You're going to get the wasters that will sit on their holes and think they can still get away with doing the absolute minimum, but then you get the ones that are breaking their backs and who realise that they are lucky to have a job, etc etc. Enrolling in loads of courses to get ahead and just being the backbone of the place.

    If it comes to it I do hope the wasters get a good kick up the ar$e.
    BizzyC wrote: »
    labour in charge of public sector.....unions will be running the country now...
    Trenton Slow Slip wrote: »
    Just the thought of her horrible whiny voice babbling on about reform is making me feel nauseous.
    token56 wrote: »
    Not a bad idea if Joan Burton wasn't going to be in charge of it
    scico rocks wrote: »
    Hopefully changes - and i mean big changes - will happen to get rid of the waste that is the public sector. Seriously overstaffed, lack of hard work, every kind of ridiculous perk ie. term time, taking the whole summer off etc will finally be a thing of the past..........

    FFS.

    Repeat after me.

    Pubic.
    Pubic.
    Pubic.


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    sbsquarepants
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    Trenton Slow Slip wrote: »
    Just the thought of her horrible whiny voice babbling on about reform is making me feel nauseous.

    Moan Burton! Jesus, imagine having to live with her:eek:


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    Gunsfortoys
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    Shaved or Brazilian?


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    Biggins
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    mathie wrote: »
    FFS.

    Repeat after me.

    Pubic.
    Pubic.
    Pubic.

    They cocked-up. Didn't see what was sticking out!


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    u140acro3xs7dm
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    chin_grin wrote: »
    Right I'm going to point this out before it descends in to just out and out public sector bashing. (And possibly trolling). And no, I'm not 'in' it. But it's just something I've come to notice............

    It's like any other job. You're going to get the wasters that will sit on their holes and think they can still get away with doing the absolute minimum, but then you get the ones that are breaking their backs and who realise that they are lucky to have a job, etc etc. Enrolling in loads of courses to get ahead and just being the backbone of the place.

    If it comes to it I do hope the wasters get a good kick up the ar$e.

    Cant see that happening though as the unions have too much power in the Public Sector and wont allow the useless ones to be booted out. It will be a long long drawn out thing over years with plenty of strikes and work to rule on so on.

    If they worked in the Private sector and their employers are not doing too well they get let go. Their employer is the government and its doing really badly so they have to go.


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    orourkeda
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    BizzyC wrote: »
    labour in charge of public sector.....unions will be running the country now...

    How do you figure that one out? She's won't be the only minister in charge of a part of the public sector.


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    chin_grin
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    mathie wrote: »
    FFS.

    Repeat after me.

    Pubic.
    Pubic.
    Pubic.

    OHHHHHHHHHHH!

    <facepalms>

    :o


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    jester77
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    mathie wrote: »
    Joan Burton will become the minister with responsibility for expenditure and pubic sector reform.

    Jayus, that's some mental image you've left us with.

    Wonder how'll she reform it, she'll probably just trim a little from the top and leave the rest of it out of control just like it is now. Can't imagine she would have the guts to go gung ho and rip it to the core!!


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    Dave!
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    Labour in charge of public sector reform, awesome.


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    orourkeda
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    Trenton Slow Slip wrote: »
    Cant see that happening though as the unions have too much power in the Public Sector and wont allow the useless ones to be booted out. It will be a long long drawn out thing over years with plenty of strikes and work to rule on so on.

    If they worked in the Private sector and their employers are not doing too well they get let go. Their employer is the government and its doing really badly so they have to go.

    I cant see how having a strong union is a problem. As long as they are doing their job then unions are here to stay whether people like it or not.

    Without them thw whole of Ireland will become Ryanairland.


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    orourkeda
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    Dave! wrote: »
    Labour in charge of public sector reform, awesome.

    Is that because FF did such a stunning job f*cking it up in the first place?


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    danbohan
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    BizzyC wrote: »
    labour in charge of public sector.....unions will be running the country now...

    whats new in that , they are as least as culpable as the banks , dev , ff for the mess


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    u140acro3xs7dm
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    orourkeda wrote: »
    I cant see how having a strong union is a problem. As long as they are doing their job then unions are here to stay whether people like it or not.

    Without them thw whole of Ireland will become Ryanairland.

    Say what ya like about Ryanair but they are an efficiently run company and very solvent. The Irish state on the other hand are the complete opposite.


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    godscop
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    scico rocks wrote: »
    Hopefully changes - and i mean big changes - will happen to get rid of the waste that is the public sector. Seriously overstaffed, lack of hard work, every kind of ridiculous perk ie. term time, taking the whole summer off etc will finally be a thing of the past..........[/Q

    I hope the sort out the wasters in the banks..A bonus for screwing the country..;)


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    ixoy
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    Reminded me of a blog for one of the Dublin NE candidates, with the following headline:

    Government getting closer to selling our pubic forests!

    I guess he'll be glad that Labour are taking up his interest in modern Irish grooming habits!


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    orourkeda
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    danbohan wrote: »
    whats new in that , they are as least as culpable as the banks , dev , ff for the mess

    Pardon my ignorance here, but how do you figure that the unions are at least as culpable as the banks for this mess?


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    KindOfIrish
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    orourkeda wrote: »
    Without them thw whole of Ireland will become Ryanairland.
    I, personally, prefer 20 euro return to London with Ryanair to 50 euro return to Dublin with unionased Irish Rail. Ryanairland would be my dream land!


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    orourkeda
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    Trenton Slow Slip wrote: »
    Say what ya like about Ryanair but they are an efficiently run company and very solvent. The Irish state on the other hand are the complete opposite.

    Ryanair is a well run business. There's no denying that but the perception is that they treat their staff like dirt. The fact that the irish state is poorly run is not entirely the fault of the unions.


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    orourkeda
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    KindOfIrish wrote: »
    I, personally, prefer 20 euro return to London with Ryanair to 50 euro return to Dublin with unionased Irish Rail. Ryanairland would be my dream land!

    €20 return flights to London are one thing.

    A functioning public sector that treats it's staff fairly is another thing entirely.


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    orourkeda
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    godscop wrote: »
    scico rocks wrote: »
    Hopefully changes - and i mean big changes - will happen to get rid of the waste that is the public sector. Seriously overstaffed, lack of hard work, every kind of ridiculous perk ie. term time, taking the whole summer off etc will finally be a thing of the past..........[/Q

    I hope the sort out the wasters in the banks..A bonus for screwing the country..;)

    I dont think anyone would bemoan increased efficiency in the public sector.

    The perception that a lack of hard work tkaes place is not entirely fair either.


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    phill106
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    chin_grin wrote: »
    Right I'm going to point this out before it descends in to just out and out public sector bashing. (And possibly trolling). And no, I'm not 'in' it. But it's just something I've come to notice............

    It's like any other job. You're going to get the wasters that will sit on their holes and think they can still get away with doing the absolute minimum, but then you get the ones that are breaking their backs and who realise that they are lucky to have a job, etc etc. Enrolling in loads of courses to get ahead and just being the backbone of the place.

    If it comes to it I do hope the wasters get a good kick up the ar$e.

    That is what the rest of us want! The people who give out about the public sector want to fire the wasters there, or at least be allowed to!


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    u140acro3xs7dm
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    orourkeda wrote: »
    Ryanair is a well run business. There's no denying that but the perception is that they treat their staff like dirt. The fact that the irish state is poorly run is not entirely the fault of the unions.
    Ryanair staff are well paid despite the public perception, they just work hard for it. I would have no problem with the Public sector getting paid well if they worked hard for it. They have all these perks because of the unions. Im not blaming frontline staff in the public sector either.


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    orourkeda
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    Trenton Slow Slip wrote: »
    Ryanair staff are well paid despite the public perception, they just work hard for it. I would have no problem with the Public sector getting paid well if they worked hard for it. They have all these perks because of the unions. Im not blaming frontline staff in the public sector either.

    All civil servants are not lazy or overpaid despite the public perception. Some of them work hard for what they earn.


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