Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

mcmoustache wrote: »

notobtuse wrote: »

I stopped reading when I got to this and filed it under Conspiracy Theories:

And despite what Donald Trump, the Kremlin’s Executive in Charge of U.S. Operations, would have you believe…

Thanks for letting us know. Speaking of conspiracy theories, how do you feel about this one now?

notobtuse wrote:

My own view is in about a year we won’t even be talking about Trump/Russian collusion as it will be determined to be a total bogus investigation based on a specious dossier based on information provided by Russian operatives and neither verified or investigated by the FBI before they sought a FISA warrant to spy on a presidential candidate.  Instead we will be talking about the greatest scandal in US history involving in the lead up and following a presidential election of the illegal work to take out a candidate and then to try and destroy a dully elected president.  The major culprits I forecast will be Hilllary Clinton and her cronies, the DNC, the Clinton Foundation, heads of the FBI, heads of the Department of Justice, and the State Department.  History, IMO will judge them harshly... if justice isn't blind, that is.

I’d say the recent release of the FISA application would indicate it still holds true, at the current time, as it pertains to FBI and DOJ involvement.  But more needs to come out via investigations regarding other reported abuses of high ranking officials before we know the entire scope of this sad period in our history.

Nox wrote: »

Wow … a new thread on President Donald J Trump and all of the haters of the POTUS are ringing their bells again.  I notice that virtually every day the MSM have a new 'scandal d' jour' … among them, Helsinki, security clearances, Cohen tapes, missing questions and answers, NOKO missile dismantling (which can be instantly reassembled), and myriad others.  Seems to me that something like the Friday GDP numbers and the EU tariff discussions should be paramount but alas they are not.  So let us spend more time on the meaningless Cohen tapes and/or the next investigation of the tweets by the useless Special Counsel and see how many more pages of tripe we can add to this new topic.

'scandale du jour' is what you are looking for. Although 24 hours seems a bit too granular to keep up with Trumps penchant for putting his foot in it.

Helsinki Trump : Not a scandal, just Trump being Trump.
Security clearances : Do you not care about your security?
Cohen tapes : You would need to be feeble minded not to realsie that this is Trouble For Trump.
Missing questions and answers: A clear example of WH failure to hold itself accoutable
NOKO missile dismantling: What missile dismantling? (It was a launch base)

myriad others: Its sad when you have to use the word "myriad" in a list of scandals. But all these are valid causes for concern in a healthy democracy. Now, as for your other "issues"

Friday GDP numbers: Already dealt with - these numbers are broadly in line with growth from the last few years.

EU Tariff discussions: This was a big loss for the US. No deal was made, nor did Juncker have any intention of making a deal. All he set out to do was avert a trade war,and thats exactly what he did. He signed a trade deal with China. He signed a trade deal with Japan. And he averted a trade war with the US. That was a great days work for the EU.

Oh,and the US gets what? CNG and Soy beans to Europe? Ha! You are having a laugh. Do you really think barrels of CNG being shipped to Europe is going to make a dent in the Gazprom deal with the EU?

Just to point out the Mueller investigation was NOT started on the basis of the Steele Dossier.

26000 Elephants wrote: »

Nox wrote: »

Wow … a new thread on President Donald J Trump and all of the haters of the POTUS are ringing their bells again.  I notice that virtually every day the MSM have a new 'scandal d' jour' … among them, Helsinki, security clearances, Cohen tapes, missing questions and answers, NOKO missile dismantling (which can be instantly reassembled), and myriad others.  Seems to me that something like the Friday GDP numbers and the EU tariff discussions should be paramount but alas they are not.  So let us spend more time on the meaningless Cohen tapes and/or the next investigation of the tweets by the useless Special Counsel and see how many more pages of tripe we can add to this new topic.

'scandale du jour' is what you are looking for. Although 24 hours seems a bit too granular to keep up with Trumps penchant for putting his foot in it.

Helsinki Trump : Not a scandal, just Trump being Trump.
Security clearances : Do you not care about your security?
Cohen tapes : You would need to be feeble minded not to realsie that this is Trouble For Trump.
Missing questions and answers: A clear example of WH failure to hold itself accoutable
NOKO missile dismantling: What missile dismantling? (It was a launch base)

myriad others: Its sad when you have to use the word "myriad" in a list of scandals. But all these are valid causes for concern in a healthy democracy. Now, as for your other "issues"

Friday GDP numbers: Already dealt with - these numbers are broadly in line with growth from the last few years.

EU Tariff discussions: This was a big loss for the US. No deal was made, nor did Juncker have any intention of making a deal. All he set out to do was avert a trade war,and thats exactly what he did. He signed a trade deal with China. He signed a trade deal with Japan. And he averted a trade war with the US. That was a great days work for the EU.

Oh,and the US gets what? CNG and Soy beans to Europe? Ha! You are having a laugh. Do you really think barrels of CNG being shipped to Europe is going to make a dent in the Gazprom deal with the EU?

I would say that the meeting between Juncker and Trump was a win for the US. The trade war is bad for the US and so anything that stops it or slows it down is good. I mean a win for the EU too for the same reason.

For once Trump was not lying when he said both sides win. I mean the win is him not implementing his policy but still.

Dog Man Star wrote: »

Here's a tip. Highlight his text, right click, search google.

I don't know why we are asked to police Bots on this website, in the Politics Forum, in the Donald Trump thread of all places.

I said it was Off Topic, but it isn't. It's actually highly On Topic.

Sort it out and remove these Bots from the politics forum pronto.

These duplicate accounts should have been banned at source and not allowed to post 230+ posts of text dumps.

Which posts specifically are you referring to? I tried the r/click technique on one but no joy.

I agree this shouldn't be allowed but show where it is happening or report the specific posts to the mods and try to make their lives easy not tetchy.

Christy42 wrote: »

I would say that the meeting between Juncker and Trump was a win for the US. The trade war is bad for the US and so anything that stops it or slows it down is good. I mean a win for the EU too for the same reason.

For once Trump was not lying when he said both sides win. I mean the win is him not implementing his policy but still.

It's like scoring an equalizer after scoring an own goal.

Dog Man Star wrote: »

Here's a tip. Highlight his text, right click, search google.

I did this a few times and found nothing. Honestly, I think it's more innocent than that.


My guess is that the posts are initially transcribed in some rich text editor and copied/pasted from there to here. Pensioners, for example, often have weird ways of using computers.



It's annoying but I don't think it's malicious.

listermint wrote: »

Bots are actually far more sophisticated than that tbh.

Good ones literally are setup on numerous forums years ago putting seemingly innocuous posts on different subject matters to appear to be a real individual. They are managed of course by a real person . But are automated to pick up responses and respond accordingly.

We utilise bots in work and some of the even basic ones today would be tough enough for an amateur to distinguish from a person.

Alot of people don't realise that.

You're not fooling me LUIS!


I'm onto you...

US GDP … 4.1%.

Nox wrote: »

US GDP … 4.1%.

The headline here should be "multiple bankrupt doing his best to destroy legacy of previous president"

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

United Sates, sigh...

You'd swear Trump was some kind of authority on the economy. He hasn't a notion how things work.

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

United Sates, sigh...

Yes, if only we could have a rush on the purchase of goods before tarifs enter effect in every quarter for the next decade, that would really keep us on track. You know, as long as we aren't having to bail out soybean farmers and ask "what is this socialism you speak of?"

In other news I've met some pretty strange nuts while focusing on politics mainly on facebook, where it's been easier to follow than an irish megathread. Sorry. I have a Congressman in SC-3 that does nothing but do photo ops with churches, endorses impeachment articles that are nonsensical (and quickly tabled) and has a twisted fascination with California and California's internal politics, despite representing South Carolina thousands of miles away. I can only describe it as California Derangement Syndrome. I've managed to get under his collar a few times, having received all sorts of amusing responses from him over time about this compulsion of his.

Most recently, he's tried to introduce a bill in the US Congress to make it illegal for States to allow any level of their governments, like municipalities, from allowing anyone that is not a full US citizen from having a vote in any manner in the electorate. This is because San Francisco chose to allow non-citizens to vote in local school board affairs. Cue a bunch of phobias about "illegals" voting for the next President, or how California should be removed from the Electoral College, and other kneejerk reactions Duncan was hoping for when he fed this red meat to his base. The most racist response I thing I got was,

"I for one am not going to give away our country. We already have press one for English 2 for Spanish. this already totally pisses me off."

and he was not being funny about this, either. However I think my favorite line on facebook in the past few days has been, "we wouldnt have a country if it wasent [sic] for Trump." but I digress.

The Congressman and presumably many others in the GOP today began peddling the news that Korea returned 55 caskets to the US. That is good news, sure. Where the Congressman embellished (And embellished hard) is the alternative fact that Trump has been the only president to see remains return from Korea:

Congressman Jeff Duncan wrote:

Beginning with Ike [Eisenhower], I believe we have had 12 Presidents since the Korean War. Only President Trump has been able to negotiate to bring the remains of fallen soldiers home.
Probably one of the biggest stories of the week! Thank You President Trump, Secretary Mike Pompeo and Thank You Kim Jong-Un as well.

This ignores the fact that 340 other caskets have returned from Korea since 1990, and I understand it that the Reagan administration had a hand in it. GWB also oversaw the return of some remains, and memorably there was a controversy concerning whether the dog tags of the remains mismatched and the possibility that some of the remains might have actually been canine. But, this hasn't allayed Trump loyalists in Washington from early celebrations, replete with lies. I would be concerned that we may yet find out we have been had. Again.

2 Scoops wrote: »

Wait, I thought "but her emails" was a legit defense against the obvious double standard in Clinton's case but when the economy is doing rather well now "but Obama" is being used ( many posters ). Some might call that a double standard but I won't go that far.

Obama economist Jason Furman seems to think the growth numbers are good news.

https://twitter.com/jasonfurman/status/1022823136855764992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1022823136855764992&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fbig-government%2F2018%2F07%2F27%2Ftop-obama-economist-gdp-even-stronger-than-it-looks%2F

Trump brought up Obama. It's right there in the announcement.

In fact when most Trump Train riders talk about the GDP report online, they are quick to make claims like it "never happened under Obama" (even though it did) and other similar attacks about the economic performance under the last administration, some of which are just demonstrably untrue. Some even go as far as to accuse the former president of a 'Marxist socialist NWO agenda' because the economy never broke 3% GDP annual under Obama, when in fact looking at the trend in the data shows that since the housing collapse the GDP has recovered steadily ever since, with each year's GDP performance improving upon the last - which includes 2017, when the economy failed to break through 3% GDP, either.

It will be interesting either way to see what happens this year. Arguably 2017 was the last year that the Obama administration had direct influence on with tax and budgetary policy. Owning to the tax cut in late 2017 and the trade disputes (which may become a trade war, yet) it remains to be seen how the year will finish out. Gas is steadily creeping back up towards $3 though in somewhat related news.

Trump and the GOP will be able to save seats in November if the Q3 earnings are good, but that could also be mired by reports of other industry bailouts, as with the $12B crutch handed out to soybean farmers. Their supporters are ravenously focused on economic performance metrics, and a slump might keep them away from the polls (not that other factors like immigration are not huge foci).

Christy42 wrote: »

His inferiority complex is hilarious. Everything he does is to try and get a win over Obama. I wonder how much it eats him that healthcare was such an out and out failure.

Yes the numbers are good news but you have to always have some misgivings when a policy backfires to the point that it forces them to bail out an industry within months of enacting it (and insist on keeping up the same policy).

@ Overheal Sure they are obsessed with specific metrics but only those that help them. If GDP turns ugly they will switch again. See how much the Dow was pumped up by them around January and has been quietly forgotten as it stalled the last 7 months or so.

In defense of that, the DOW hasn't really slumped, if you scale back out to the 5-year, it has returned to its more-stable growth trend. The outlier was Q1 of this year, which to be perfectly honest was turbo-charged by optimism from the tax cut, which then exited the honeymoon period when it arose that promised jobs and pay raises were going to - if you can imagine this - moving factories to mexico, shareholder buybacks, layoffs, and restructures. But nobody predicted that would happen...