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Ulster Bank League 2018-2019 Talk/Gossip/Rumours

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Left before end of game in Thomond.
    poor game between two division 1A sides especially considering theyre 1st and 4th


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    Left before end of game in Thomond.
    poor game between two division 1A sides especially considering theyre 1st and 4th

    Shame both teams looked pretty close to full sides


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Stainalert wrote: »
    Shame both teams looked pretty close to full sides
    was quite disappointed with the standard. expected a lot more. very much two teams keeping things in reserve though im not sure why when league isnt back for two weeks though Garryowen do have Bateman Cup against ye next weekend which may have been in minds of there coaches/players


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    Tullamore went on a nice little run before Christmas


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    Tullamore went on a nice little run before Christmas
    Nice run in comparison to their early season form but theyre still very much involved in fight to avoid relegation to junior. they got 2 wins from last 3 games but one win for Seapoint/Thomond and theyre right in it for either auto relegation/playoff.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    Tullamore went on a nice little run before Christmas
    Nice run in comparison to their early season form but theyre still very much involved in fight to avoid relegation to junior. they got 2 wins from last 3 games but one win for Seapoint/Thomond and theyre right in it for either auto relegation/playoff.

    Yeah, but good to get off the bottom


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Bateman Cup Saturday
    Armagh v Buccaneers and Garryowen v Lansdowne

    Both games kick off 2.30.
    Might be going to Garryowen Lansdowne Saturday afternoon


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    The Garryowen Lansdowne game should be a good game going on the last couple of outings between both teams.

    Frustrating that Leinster A play Munster A in a friendly the day before so unlikely Lansdowne or Garryowen will be at full strength.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    Stainalert wrote: »
    The Garryowen Lansdowne game should be a good game going on the last couple of outings between both teams.

    Frustrating that Leinster A play Munster A in a friendly the day before so unlikely Lansdowne or Garryowen will be at full strength.

    How many lads would be missing from each?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    CMcsporty wrote: »
    How many lads would be missing from each?
    impossible to say as depends on what way provinces line up but could be 2/3 maybe more maybe even just 1 player per side


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Irish Universities squad for training camp in Maynooth this weekend ahead of game v Scottish Students In Queens February 10th

    Rory Bell Queens, Cian Bohane UCC, Cillian Burke UCD, James Fennelly Trinity, Aaron Hehir LIT, Colm Hogan Trinity, Mark Keane Queens, Murray Linn UCC, Conor Lowndes Trinity, Finn Murphy Bath, Rory O Connor Garda Training, Rowan Osborne Trinity, Peter Sylvester UCC, James Taylor UCC

    Conall Boomer UU, Kelvin Brown LIT, Ty Chan UL, Alexander Clarke Queens, Sam Griffin UCD, Max Kearney Trinity, Greg McGrath Carlow IT, Jonny McKeown Trinity, Stephen McVeigh UCD, Ntinga Mpiko Carlow IT, Ryan Murphy UCC, Bryan O Connor UCC, JJ O Dea DCU, Shane O Hanlon UCC, Dan Sheean Trinity, David Whitten Queens,


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 416 ✭✭Thermoman12


    Irish Universities squad for training camp in Maynooth this weekend ahead of game v Scottish Students In Queens February 10th

    Rory Bell Queens, Cian Bohane UCC, Cillian Burke UCD, James Fennelly Trinity, Aaron Hehir LIT, Colm Hogan Trinity, Mark Keane Queens, Murray Linn UCC, Conor Lowndes Trinity, Finn Murphy Bath, Rory O Connor Garda Training, Rowan Osborne Trinity, Peter Sylvester UCC, James Taylor UCC

    Conall Boomer UU, Kelvin Brown LIT, Ty Chan UL, Alexander Clarke Queens, Sam Griffin UCD, Max Kearney Trinity, Greg McGrath Carlow IT, Jonny McKeown Trinity, Stephen McVeigh UCD, Ntinga Mpiko Carlow IT, Ryan Murphy UCC, Bryan O Connor UCC, JJ O Dea DCU, Shane O Hanlon UCC, Dan Sheean Trinity, David Whitten Queens,

    Any idea of predictions of what the starting team might look like?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Any idea of predictions of what the starting team might look like?
    Not really able to. But imagine below will certainly start....

    Cian Bohane, Colm Hogan, Peter Sylvester, James Taylor

    Conall Boomer, Kelvin Brown, Max Kearney, Greg McGrath, Ryan Murphy, JJ O Dea


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    CMcsporty wrote: »
    How many lads would be missing from each?

    From Irishrugby.ie "The likes of Coombes, former captain Neil Cronin, Sean O'Connor, Conor Oliver and Ronan O'Mahony are on duty with Munster 'A' this afternoon, while Lansdowne have Ronan Kelleher, Harry Byrne, Peter Dooley and new Leinster cap Oisin Dowling all starting for Leinster 'A' at Thomond Park."


  • Registered Users Posts: 608 ✭✭✭Chico Flores


    BATEMAN CUP SEMI-FINALS:

    CITY OF ARMAGH 29 BUCCANEERS 13, Palace Grounds
    Scorers: City of Armagh: Tries: Andrew Willis, Evin Crummie, Jonny Morton, Neil Faloon; Cons: Cormac Fox 3; Pen: Cormac Fox
    Buccaneers: Try: Rory O'Connor; Con: Michael Hanley; Pens: Michael Hanley 2
    HT: City of Armagh 10 Buccaneers 6

    CITY OF ARMAGH: Shea O'Brien; Andrew Willis, Evin Crummie, Jonny Pollock, Ryan Purvis; Cormac Fox, Harry Doyle; Paul Mullen, Andrew Smyth, Phillip Fletcher, Peter Starrett, Josh McKinley, James Hanna, Robbie Whitten (capt), Neil Faloon.

    Replacements: Oisin Kiernan, Jonny Morton, Gareth McNiece, James Morton, Gareth Treanor, Chris Cousins, Matthew Reaney.

    BUCCANEERS: Callum Boland; Thomas McGann, Shane Layden (capt), Kieran Joyce, Rory O'Connor; Michael Hanley, Frankie Hopkins; Conan O'Donnell, John Sutton, Liam Winnett, Ruairi Byrne, Torin Rensford, Fergus Galvin, Owen Treacy, Evan Galvin.

    Replacements: Harry O'Reilly, Rory Grenham, Sean O'Connell, Gerard Fallon, Dean McMahon, Ross Murphy-Sweeney.

    GARRYOWEN 14 LANSDOWNE 12, Dooradoyle
    Scorers: Garryowen: Try: Liam Cronin; Pens: Ben Healy 3
    Lansdowne: Pens: Scott Deasy 4
    HT: Garryowen 3 Lansdowne 6

    GARRYOWEN: Jamie Heuston; Daniel Hurley, Peadar Collins, David McCarthy, Cian O'Shea; Ben Healy, Rob Guerin; Niall Horan, Liam Cronin, Andrew Keating, Kevin Seymour, Dean Moore (capt), Tim Ferguson, Diarmuid Barron, Sean Rennison.

    Replacements: Mike O'Donnell, David Canny, Scott Leahy, Steven Atkinson, Jamie Gavin, Shane Brosnahan, Andrew O'Byrne.

    LANSDOWNE: Eamonn Mills (capt); Daniel McEvoy, Mark O'Keeffe, Conor Murphy, Peter Sullivan; Scott Deasy, Tim Murphy; Denis Coulson, James Rael, Ian Prendiville, Willie Earle, Jack O'Sullivan, Tom Murphy, Conor Fenlon, Aaron Conneely.

    Replacements: JJ Earle, Martin Mulhall, Greg McGrath, Conall O'Brien, Alan Bennie, Liam O'Sullivan, Barry Goulding.

    ALL-IRELAND LEAGUE: DIVISION 2B:

    MU Barnhall 55 Wanderers 3, Parsonstown

    Great to see someone like Armagh get to the final - have nothing to lose in it

    Big win for Barnhall in 2B.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    Great win for Armagh

    We were a bit undercooked against Garryowen with Garryowen definitely deserved winners. Hopefully the game will stand to us next week (Desperately looking for a silver lining!!).


  • Registered Users Posts: 608 ✭✭✭Chico Flores


    Full round of fixtures this weekend

    1A

    Garryowen v UCC
    Clontarf v Young Munster
    Cork Con v Terenure
    Lansdowne v Trinity
    UCD v Shannon

    1B

    Ballymena v Buccaneers
    Armagh v Banbridge
    Malone v Ballynahinch
    Old Belvedere v Naas
    St Marys v Wesley

    2A

    Bohs v Crescent (Friday)
    Nenagh v Galwegians
    Blackrock v Highfield
    Navan v Cashel
    Queens v Dolphin

    2B

    Belfast Quins v Sligo
    Dungannon v Rainey
    Corinthians v Wanderers
    Barnhall v Greystones
    Sundays Well v Skerries

    2C

    Malahide v Seapoint (Friday)
    Thomond v Bruff (Friday)
    Ballina v City of Derry
    Midleton v Tullamore
    Omagh v Bangor


  • Registered Users Posts: 958 ✭✭✭ArmchairQB


    Full round of fixtures this weekend

    1A

    Garryowen v UCC
    Clontarf v Young Munster
    Cork Con v Terenure
    Lansdowne v Trinity
    UCD v Shannon

    1B

    Ballymena v Buccaneers
    Armagh v Banbridge
    Malone v Ballynahinch
    Old Belvedere v Naas
    St Marys v Wesley

    2A

    Bohs v Crescent (Friday)
    Nenagh v Galwegians
    Blackrock v Highfield
    Navan v Cashel
    Queens v Dolphin

    2B

    Belfast Quins v Sligo
    Dungannon v Rainey
    Corinthians v Wanderers
    Barnhall v Greystones
    Sundays Well v Skerries

    2C

    Malahide v Seapoint (Friday)
    Thomond v Bruff (Friday)
    Ballina v City of Derry
    Midleton v Tullamore
    Omagh v Bangor

    Not mad on the way they reverse fixtures at halfway stage in AIL, I would like to see teams playing the reverse fixture of their opening AIL game rather than a repeatof their last before christmas. Any thoughts?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    ArmchairQB wrote: »
    Not mad on the way they reverse fixtures at halfway stage in AIL, I would like to see teams playing the reverse fixture of their opening AIL game rather than a repeatof their last before christmas. Any thoughts?
    I agree but would prefer a randomized set of fixtures for second half of league. But that might require irfu to do more work/be harder to do.


  • Registered Users Posts: 608 ✭✭✭Chico Flores


    I agree but would prefer a randomized set of fixtures for second half of league. But that might require irfu to do more work/be harder to do.

    Think randomised could end up being unfair on some teams - just by the way it falls - and the home and away mix - at least if it was consistent everyone knows..

    I would agree, no reverse, start again.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Think randomised could end up being unfair on some teams - just by the way it falls - and the home and away mix - at least if it was consistent everyone knows..

    I would agree, no reverse, start again.
    But the current set up isnt right IMO with round 1 being mirror of 18 in each division. and same goes for 2 and 17, 3 and 16 etc,
    Yes everyone knows but i dont see how it would necessarily be unfair if through several seasons it evens itself out
    Randomised with some criteria that have to be met would be better than whats there now IMO


  • Registered Users Posts: 958 ✭✭✭ArmchairQB


    But the current set up isnt right IMO with round 1 being mirror of 18 in each division. and same goes for 2 and 17, 3 and 16 etc,
    Yes everyone knows but i dont see how it would necessarily be unfair if through several seasons it evens itself out
    Randomised with some criteria that have to be met would be better than whats there now IMO

    Yeah local derbies around christmas, Friday nights on International home weekends.

    Introduce double headers with 20s or J1s where teams are in same province on Saturday post AIl match

    A little imagination would work well


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    1A

    Garryowen v UCC - Expect a very tight game but think Garryowen will squeeze through

    Clontarf v Young Munster - Tough ask for Munsters, Expect Clontarf to win well

    Cork Con v Terenure - Terenure apparently have added to their squad but Con always very difficult to beat at home and I think will prevail

    Lansdowne v Trinity - Very close and tough game before Christmas in poor weather. Should be another tight encounter with Lansdowne hoing to bounce back from last weeks loss to Garryowen in the Bateman.

    UCD v Shannon - UCD likely to have a lot of their Leinster contingent available to them which will really test Shannon. Will go with another home victory.

    1B
    So little between all these teams that picking winners is really a lottery but here we go:

    Ballymena v Buccaneers - Ballymena seem to have turned the corner and think this will continue

    Armagh v Banbridge - Armagh will be buoyed by reaching their 1st Bateman final and I think they will keep winning

    Malone v Ballynahinch - Malone will want to avenge their pre christmas loss away to Hinch but I'm going for an away win here for a change

    Old Belvedere v Naas - Naas need to find some form (They've lost 4 on the trot) but I expect Old Belvedere to win this one as I think Belvo are better than their league position suggests.

    St Marys v Wesley - I think Wesley will follow up on a good win last day against Marys with an away win here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    ArmchairQB wrote: »
    Yeah local derbies around christmas, Friday nights on International home weekends.

    Introduce double headers with 20s or J1s where teams are in same province on Saturday post AIl match

    A little imagination would work well
    Wouldnt necessarily have double headers with 20s though on odd occasion it would work but j1s should nearly always be played with senior games.
    Stainalert wrote: »
    1A

    Garryowen v UCC - Expect a very tight game but think Garryowen will squeeze through

    Clontarf v Young Munster - Tough ask for Munsters, Expect Clontarf to win well

    Cork Con v Terenure - Terenure apparently have added to their squad but Con always very difficult to beat at home and I think will prevail

    Lansdowne v Trinity - Very close and tough game before Christmas in poor weather. Should be another tight encounter with Lansdowne hoing to bounce back from last weeks loss to Garryowen in the Bateman.

    UCD v Shannon - UCD likely to have a lot of their Leinster contingent available to them which will really test Shannon. Will go with another home victory.

    1B
    So little between all these teams that picking winners is really a lottery but here we go:

    Ballymena v Buccaneers - Ballymena seem to have turned the corner and think this will continue

    Armagh v Banbridge - Armagh will be buoyed by reaching their 1st Bateman final and I think they will keep winning

    Malone v Ballynahinch - Malone will want to avenge their pre christmas loss away to Hinch but I'm going for an away win here for a change

    Old Belvedere v Naas - Naas need to find some form (They've lost 4 on the trot) but I expect Old Belvedere to win this one as I think Belvo are better than their league position suggests.

    St Marys v Wesley - I think Wesley will follow up on a good win last day against Marys with an away win here.
    Any thoughts on division 2?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    Wouldnt necessarily have double headers with 20s though on odd occasion it would work but j1s should nearly always be played with senior games.

    Any thoughts on division 2?

    Arguably the double header with the u20s would be more important than j1s. Get the two squads mingling and supporting each other to encourage the 20s players to continue on into full adult rugby. An ideal scenario would probably be a day where it goes 20s,Firsts,J1s at the same venue in that order.
    Guy just game opinions on 20 games out of his own volition, no need to do division 2 if he doesn't want to.
    Be interesting to see if any teams have gained or lost players over Christmas, especially those in college who may be going on semesters abroad and such. Hear Terenure have Jake Swaine and Harrison Brewer are back for Terenure. Two huge players to get back.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    D14Rugby wrote: »
    Arguably the double header with the u20s would be more important than j1s. Get the two squads mingling and supporting each other to encourage the 20s players to continue on into full adult rugby. An ideal scenario would probably be a day where it goes 20s,Firsts,J1s at the same venue in that order.
    Guy just game opinions on 20 games out of his own volition, no need to do division 2 if he doesn't want to.
    Be interesting to see if any teams have gained or lost players over Christmas, especially those in college who may be going on semesters abroad and such. Hear Terenure have Jake Swaine and Harrison Brewer are back for Terenure. Two huge players to get back.
    Thats fine for some clubs in division 1 but there is still quite a few clubs across divisions 1B(not 1A this season at least) that dont field under 20 teams never mind division 2 clubs
    I think J1s would be better as you could give game time to guys who wont have played in AIL game and players can move up. And J1 players would all be training with the AIL squads so far better use of squads.
    And i dont see whats wrong with asking his opinion on division2 when he's such a dedicated follower of the league.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    Thats fine for some clubs in division 1 but there is still quite a few clubs across divisions 1B(not 1A this season at least) that dont field under 20 teams never mind division 2 clubs
    I think J1s would be better as you could give game time to guys who wont have played in AIL game and players can move up. And J1 players would all be training with the AIL squads so far better use of squads.
    And i dont see whats wrong with asking his opinion on division2 when he's such a dedicated follower of the league.

    Well if you don't have a team you don't play the match. Thought that would be obvious.
    It should really be a requirement to have an U20s team to play AIL to at the very least encourage clubs to have a good youth section and links with schools. Clubs really don't help themselves with not having requirements to play AIL other than be promoted, it just all looks so amateurish which is part of the reason why the IRFU don't really invite them to the table, because a lot of clubs give very little evidence of being able to provide a professional environment for the fringe provincial players to thrive in when no involved with their province. That's a rant for another day though.

    It's fine to ask, but for the 10th (minimum) consecutive gameweek with no reply it's not. If you want it done do it, but to keep asking the same person the same thing and expect a different result is a tad annoying.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    D14Rugby wrote: »
    Well if you don't have a team you don't play the match. Thought that would be obvious.
    It should really be a requirement to have an U20s team to play AIL to at the very least encourage clubs to have a good youth section and links with schools. Clubs really don't help themselves with not having requirements to play AIL other than be promoted, it just all looks so amateurish which is part of the reason why the IRFU don't really invite them to the table, because a lot of clubs give very little evidence of being able to provide a professional environment for the fringe provincial players to thrive in when no involved with their province. That's a rant for another day though.

    It's fine to ask, but for the 10th (minimum) consecutive gameweek with no reply it's not. If you want it done do it, but to keep asking the same person the same thing and expect a different result is a tad annoying.
    I think its a fair question to stainalert to ask their opinion on division 2 when its a very simple thing to just list the fixtures. They care a lot about the league and its progress so why cant they just list the division 2 games. Not that hard to do.

    And especially for the more rural clubs fielding 20s teams to join with AIL teams isnt feasible and having seconds would be far better for the league as you can rotate players between each game much more and as said already many clubs cant field a 20s team
    I think you havent a clue about most clubs when you say they dont provide a good enough environment for fringe provincial players. Which is what exactly?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    I think its a fair question to stainalert to ask their opinion on division 2 when its a very simple thing to just list the fixtures. They care a lot about the league and its progress so why cant they just list the division 2 games. Not that hard to do.

    And especially for the more rural clubs fielding 20s teams to join with AIL teams isnt feasible and having seconds would be far better for the league as you can rotate players between each game much more and as said already many clubs cant field a 20s team
    I think you havent a clue about most clubs when you say they dont provide a good enough environment for fringe provincial players. Which is what exactly?

    Not going down this rabbit hole again so this'll be my final say.
    It is a lot of work and great someone will even do it for 2 divisions (yeah its the A and B of one division but its really 2) to do it for another 15 games to take the form, strengths and weakness of 30 clubs and compare them and decide who you think will win is a lot of work, its why people are paid to do such work.

    It is feasible, if you've a youth section which all clubs should a 20's team should be more than manageable especially since the AIL is for the elite teams in the country and as such there should be standards set like in league structures in most other sports. You seem to have chosen, as per usual, to ignore my point that the 20's requirement shouldn't be there as a standalone, it should be there because it would mean clubs would have to have proper structures in place in that they'd need a youth section which in turn would need a minis, and/or links to local schools, these are basic things that clubs are ignoring in favour of pumping money into their first team because there's no incentive to have them functioning well, a 20's team being needed would be that incentive. Teams should have a J1s team as well. To play in the AIL the requirements of having a firsts, J1 and 20s at minimum isn't too much to ask.#

    I think you haven't a clue about what I said. I said it gives the perception of not providing a good environment for fringe players, that and stating that they don't are two very different things I think you'll find. If you're Leo Cullen though and your hearing about clubs that don't have an S&C coach, no nutritionist, low numbers at training, pitch is a state, set-piece training is pretty much just players making it up as they go, no food after training and all these things that add up you're bound to be reluctant to let your players go to clubs in a league where stuff like that is common when you could keep them in your ultra professional environment. On the other hand if you're handed a book that says clubs that are in 1A and 1B have this that and the other facilities and coaching wise at least and the provincial setups can have an input in what they deem to be essential like gps tracked training and what not, they're going to feel a lot more safe with letting their players go there more often.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    D14Rugby wrote: »
    Not going down this rabbit hole again so this'll be my final say.
    It is a lot of work and great someone will even do it for 2 divisions (yeah its the A and B of one division but its really 2) to do it for another 15 games to take the form, strengths and weakness of 30 clubs and compare them and decide who you think will win is a lot of work, its why people are paid to do such work.

    It is feasible, if you've a youth section which all clubs should a 20's team should be more than manageable especially since the AIL is for the elite teams in the country and as such there should be standards set like in league structures in most other sports. You seem to have chosen, as per usual, to ignore my point that the 20's requirement shouldn't be there as a standalone, it should be there because it would mean clubs would have to have proper structures in place in that they'd need a youth section which in turn would need a minis, and/or links to local schools, these are basic things that clubs are ignoring in favour of pumping money into their first team because there's no incentive to have them functioning well, a 20's team being needed would be that incentive. Teams should have a J1s team as well. To play in the AIL the requirements of having a firsts, J1 and 20s at minimum isn't too much to ask.#

    I think you haven't a clue about what I said. I said it gives the perception of not providing a good environment for fringe players, that and stating that they don't are two very different things I think you'll find. If you're Leo Cullen though and your hearing about clubs that don't have an S&C coach, no nutritionist, low numbers at training, pitch is a state, set-piece training is pretty much just players making it up as they go, no food after training and all these things that add up you're bound to be reluctant to let your players go to clubs in a league where stuff like that is common when you could keep them in your ultra professional environment. On the other hand if you're handed a book that says clubs that are in 1A and 1B have this that and the other facilities and coaching wise at least and the provincial setups can have an input in what they deem to be essential like gps tracked training and what not, they're going to feel a lot more safe with letting their players go there more often.
    drop the attitude. no need for rabbit hole comment...
    Look at the league as a whole not simply division 1 and while all 1A clubs field 20s sides it isnt the case in the other divisions for one reason or another and just saying we should do it isnt the answer. Having 2nds, 3rds(where feasible) would be far better than 20s. 2nds will be training with a AIL side far more than a 20s set up and players can be used by both far more on same day than 20s ever will.
    And all clubs dont have youths sections for whole variety of reasons. Schools or any other reasons. And thats even more the case for 20s especially with the way 20s competitions are ran in some places.
    I didnt ignore anything you said(and if we're going this way you didnt need to add the potshot at me but you did .... as usual :rolleyes: )
    Not having a 20s side doesnt give an impression of there not being a good environment for fringe players. Actually it can hamper a club in some circumstances as it potentially takes from your seconds side if you have a focus on 20s. Only in a small few places can clubs field 20s as well as 1 or more adult sides on the same day and thats Dublin, some Limerick and Cork clubs. Very very few beyond the cities.


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