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Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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    #7982
    Patser
    Registered Users Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Patser


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    So what was assumed to be a mundane enough Monday before more madness in the HOC tomorrow and the days after seems to be not mundane at all.

    Time is up for May, no more can kicking allowed, and with nothing to show she'd be hammered in her vote tomorrow and humiliated.

    So desperation for anything to show for last months meeting after dithering meeting may have forced her into something dramatic, which allows the EU act - or more likely act dramatic now so that something tiny can be held up as a massive trophy tomorrow


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    #7983
    Spanish Eyes
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    Strange that Barnier was here yesterday for the Rugby and was with Varadker, and now we have a mad dash off a Transatlantic jet to head for an unscheduled Cabinet Meeting.

    Drama for drama's sake, or what the F is going on now.


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    #7984
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,499 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Nothing from Tony?

    That's a bit strange isn't it?

    He is normally the first with the gossip...


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    #7985
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    It all seems a bit staged. The - will she, won't she, go to Strazborg, the Taoiseach being "pulled off a plane", the Irish government being dragged to a late cabinet meeting. It all seems like a week effort to sex up watever bland interprative statement has been agreed, to give MPs in Westminster enough of a show to justify changing their minds.


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    #7986
    [Deleted User]
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    Hopefully Leo knows whats going on.........


    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1105199977410768897


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    #7987
    TCDStudent1
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Nothing from Tony?

    That's a bit strange isn't it?

    He is normally the first with the gossip...


    Maybe because its Strasbourg rather than Brussels?


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    #7988
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,511 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Sky news are saying that Arlene foster and Nigel Dodds are meeting with the government chief whip for the last 40 minutes and there will be statements released at 10pm UK time from the chief whip.


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    #7989
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,499 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Faisal Islam doesn't see the point of a "unilateral" statement from the UK that the EU does not endorse...


    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1105198173226708993


    All a bit confusing.


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    #7990
    DOCARCH
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    I'd never read too much into what Laura Kuenssberg has to say!


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    #7991
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,511 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Not sure how I feel about the UK getting to release a unilateral statement on the backstop.


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    #7992
    prawnsambo
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Nothing from Tony?

    That's a bit strange isn't it?

    He is normally the first with the gossip...
    Tony was talking about this six hours ago. Probably gone to the pub now. :)


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    #7993
    FrancieBrady
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    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Not sure how I feel about the UK getting to release a unilateral statement on the backstop.

    It's absurd if not surreal. So outside the UK we can all go 'Yeh, sure Theresa, dream on'?

    How embarrassing for them if they go for that.


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    #7994
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,687 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Laura kuenssberg may aswell be writing for the daily mail the way she goes on. Not alot of insight and loves to blurt out stuff with little basis.

    Shining example of how far the BBC have fallen


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    #7995
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,301 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://twitter.com/juliegirling/status/1105182912541016064


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    #7996
    boggerman1
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    Rees mogg comes across as such a genuine old chap for the working class masses that adore him on that channel 4 program


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    #7997
    Akrasia
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    Gintonious wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/juliegirling/status/1105182912541016064

    That actually makes sense. May might cancel tomorrows vote if she knows she is going to be humiliated again, and the only way she can get away with that is if there is an agreement on an extension with the EU that she feels she can sell to the HOC


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    #7998
    Hurrache
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Laura Kuenssberg suggesting theres a bit of uneasiness in Dublin over the UK and the possibility of being allowed a unilateral statement on the backstop.

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1105197987381284865

    I think the unilateral statement is just to rempahsise the legal part for their own audience. As everybody is in a meeting either here or Europe I'd wonder who her source may be.


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    #7999
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Akrasia wrote: »
    That actually makes sense. May might cancel tomorrows vote if she knows she is going to be humiliated again, and the only way she can get away with that is if there is an agreement on an extension with the EU that she feels she can sell to the HOC

    If she cancels the vote, there is a good chance that she'll face a vote of contempt and that it will pass. That would mean her resignation.


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    #8000
    GM228
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Govt representatives present in Strasbourg...

    https://twitter.com/Claude_Moraes/status/1105192349171417089

    https://twitter.com/MargSchinas/status/1105201002351857664?s=19

    Will they still be all smiles after?


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    #8001
    Hurrache
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Strange that Barnier was here yesterday for the Rugby and was with Varadker, and now we have a mad dash off a Transatlantic jet to head for an unscheduled Cabinet Meeting.

    Drama for drama's sake, or what the F is going on now.

    He was never on a plane.


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    #8002
    FrancieBrady
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    Hurrache wrote: »
    He was never on a plane.

    Is that confirmed?


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    #8003
    Hurrache
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    Gintonious wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/juliegirling/status/1105182912541016064

    Jaysus, if true she's not even going to bother try further the agreement but it's all about the extension?


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    #8004
    lawred2
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Laura Kuenssberg suggesting theres a bit of uneasiness in Dublin over the UK and the possibility of being allowed a unilateral statement on the backstop.

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1105197987381284865

    She's doesn't know what's going on in London. I seriously doubt she's got any better an inside track with the Irish government.


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    #8005
    Akrasia
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    If she cancels the vote, there is a good chance that she'll face a vote of contempt and that it will pass. That would mean her resignation.


    True, she may face a vote of contempt, but if she didn't lose the No confidence vote, she may not lose a vote of contempt either. She might be prepared to take the risk but if she loses her 'meaningful vote' by 200 votes again where does she go from there? She could be left with nothing but a choice between one humiliating climb-down or another


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    #8006
    tuxy
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    PropJoe10 wrote: »
    My understand is that there'd be customs checks immediately, as the UK would be trading on WTO terms and customs checks would be required at every border, including Dover-Calais and the NI border. Please correct me if this isn't legit.

    I think the UK would wait a short while for Ireland to put up customs first to protect the single market. Then shout "oh look they broke the GFA" and errect their own customs infrastructure to protect their market.


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    #8007
    Professor Moriarty
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    Cox is pivotal now. His interpretation will decide what happens next if there is a codicil.


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    #8008
    Itssoeasy
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    Hurrache wrote: »
    He was never on a plane.

    Yes it appears some of the staff were at Dublin airport. The Taoiseach wasn't as far as I can tell. I mean can it be a cabinet meeting in Dublin when some of the cabinet have left the country ? I realise there are ways to contact them but it's why I don't think it's drama for dramas sake because it seems to have caught people on the hop. If it was all for show none of the ministers would have left and found an excuse to still be here.


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    #8009
    Spanish Eyes
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    Hurrache wrote: »
    He was never on a plane.

    Yes I know, but the reportage from some quarters added to the drama :p


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    #8010
    Akrasia
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    tuxy wrote: »
    I think the UK would wait a short while for Ireland to put up customs first to protect the single market. Then shout "oh look they broke the GFA" and errect their own customs infrastructure to protect their market.
    They would be taken to the court in The Hague where their 'but Ireland started it' defense would be laughed out of the courtroom


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    #8011
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,317 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Tony c currently on bbc news channel


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