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CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

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    #5402
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Can only speak for my own area when I say I've not seen any of that. People are out for shopping etc and they're walk, haven't seen house visits or anything like that.

    Firstly those over 70 shouldn't be out, so were the grandparents over 70 ? If they aren't then theres nothing wrong with standing outside someones house once your observing the social distancing


    Social visits aren't encouraged in any form though as per latest guidelines, people are only supposed to leave their house for - emergencies, shopping for essentials, exercise, and caring for people who are cocooned/need assistance.

    Calling round for a chat is not one of these things...


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    #5403
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Some levity...

    A Coronavirus Karaoke session to hopefully lift the spirits. :)










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    #5404
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    Social visits aren't encouraged in any form though as per latest guidelines, people are only supposed to leave their house for - emergencies, shopping for essentials, exercise, and caring for people who are cocooned/need assistance.

    Calling round for a chat is not one of these things...

    Yes I understand that, my point is for example if they live local and are walking within the 2k then they can stop outside. Theres nothing to stop someone who's out walking being at the other end of someones garden


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    #5405
    duffman13
    Registered Users Posts: 8,946 ✭✭✭duffman13


    JRant wrote: »
    I'm not saying it was definitely here as we have no real idea when it arrived into the country. I remember reading that Australia had a first wave that passed without a huge problem but when it reappeared a few weeks later it seemed to much more aggressive. Could be all mumbo jumbo for all I know but it's fascinating how it seems to hit certain areas harder than others. Just goes to show how little we know about this virus to date.

    When the dust settles there will be a new playbook on how not to deal with a pandemic, which can only be a good though.

    On the first point regarding Australia, they believe the cruise ship that docked in Sydney did a lot of damage. Looking at bringing charges against the owners of the Ruby Princess after they disembarked passengers in Sydney. Over 600 cases came from the ship and 10 deaths.

    There was an article somewhere which suggested they traced the infection to Europe and it was slightly different to the strain previously found. I cant find the article now so I may have totally misread it.

    As regards the playbook, the nature of different viruses means there probably can never be a playbook but we sure as hell will be a lot quicker at shutting borders etc


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    #5406
    gabeeg
    Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    owlbethere wrote: »
    That was Boris Johnson's herd immunity approach on this ☹️.

    I think Leo and FG were going to take a similar path to the UK of herd immunity because there was no action whatsoever from our government until about the 9th or 10th of March. Thankfully we got somewhat lucky and our government began to listen to the professionals speaking out about this and began to implement measures to slow this down.

    To be fair to them, the govs terrible early response was most likely due to ignorance rather than laissez faire cold heartededness.

    As soon as they had that come to Jesus moment, they have put public health first.


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    #5407
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    duffman13 wrote: »
    You think? ::pac: I havent seen anything to suggest we were ever considering the above.

    Seriously, there is one man leading the way on our response and its the CMO. He has come across exceptionally well and done a very good job. Granted there have been some mistakes (like every country in the world) specifically the nursing homes but the response has been good overall. It has been a measured response as much as it could be and fair play to him.

    They were slow to order the cancelling of the parades. I think it was around about the 9th or 10th of March when they ordered the cancelling of any parades. Many of us here saw what was going on around Europe and the parades and should have been cancelled before that IMO. They were definitely putting economic activity ahead of the health and wellbeing being of the nation. I do think they were going to go down the road of herd immunity. The CMO has been excellent.


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    #5408
    Snickers Man
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    The WHO is to blame!!!!

    Seems like President Trump and his willing media allies Fox/Sky News around the world are holding the WHO up as the scapegoat for America's misery, at least in as much as it pertains to this virus.

    Several news reports and opinion peaces that show how the president is keen to deflect attention away from his own pathetic shortcomings and blame "the foreigners" for America's misfortune.

    RTE is reporting that Trump wants to cut US funding for WHO because of the virus, and Fox News in Austalia has already waded in with an opinion piece in support of the Trumpian line.
    Elsewhere, Fox opinion spouters like Judge Jeannine Pirro are describing Trump as a "War leader" and absolutely the best man to have in the front line at this time.

    There's no doubt that lines are being spun for our consumption by those sections of the media who are in Trump's pocket.

    If you've never heard of the World Health Organisation (WHO) before now, you're going to hear a lot about them soon.

    It's all their fault, you know :rolleyes::rolleyes:


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    #5409
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-china-52210273/coronavirus-please-learn-from-wuhan-s-mistakes

    At this link there is a short video from some people in Wuhan, which has just lifted lockdown after 76 days. Sweet people. Basically they are saying learn from them, make the sacrifice to stop an infectious disease


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    #5410
    Squeaksoutloud
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Squeaksoutloud


    Was this posted earlier. Interesting article on El Pais and plan to do some random testing to gauge level of infiltration of the virus in to the community.

    They reckon 40% of people in Madrid could already have been infected so well on the way to herd immunity already. Again means the fatality rate would be a lot lower and we possibly further on thru this than initially thought.

    https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-04-08/spain-to-test-30000-families-for-the-coronavirus.html


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    #5411
    darem93
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭darem93


    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    I know Northern Ireland's small but they're doing the best of the UK countries per capita wise.

    2.84% of the UK population but only 1.1% of the UK deaths.
    Yeah I noticed that. I remember initially when the schools and colleges closed in the Republic and they were still open in the North, parents and even some of the schools themselves were taking matters into their own hands and not making the kids go in. I'm not sure if this was the case in the rest of the UK?

    Also on Paddy's Day if you went into the North it was very quiet, whereas my sister showed me videos of Concert Square in Liverpool for example and it was absolutely wedged.

    Maybe there was just a different attitude in NI because the rest of the island was essentially shut down?


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    #5412
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    jackboy wrote: »
    Why didn’t you call the guards on the grannies?

    Wrong thread :rolleyes:
    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Can only speak for my own area when I say I've not seen any of that. People are out for shopping etc and they're walk, haven't seen house visits or anything like that.

    Firstly those over 70 shouldn't be out, so were the grandparents over 70 ? If they aren't then theres nothing wrong with standing outside someones house once your observing the social distancing

    While I didn't obviously ask for ID they did both appear to be over 70. And no they shouldn't be there, even observing social distancing or not, no matter what age they are. The rules are clear - no social gatherings of any size. Delivering Easter eggs for the kiddies is not sufficient reason, but I fully expect a lot of people to think they are the exception over Easter now and a full blown crisis of our own making in two weeks.


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    #5413
    gabeeg
    Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    duffman13 wrote: »
    You think? ::pac: I havent seen anything to suggest we were ever considering the above.

    Seriously, there is one man leading the way on our response and its the CMO. He has come across exceptionally well and done a very good job. Granted there have been some mistakes (like every country in the world) specifically the nursing homes but the response has been good overall. It has been a measured response as much as it could be and fair play to him.

    Holohan was asleep at the wheel. His advice on everything from general public risk , to travel, to sporting events, to Paddy's day, to nursing homes was just completely and utterly wrong. There were many here in the early days who seemingly knew far more about this than him and his cronies.

    Granted it was similar in many, many countries - but that's not really a good excuse. He didn't do his job.


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    #5414
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users Posts: 12,778 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Wrong thread :rolleyes:



    While I didn't obviously ask for ID they did both appear to be over 70. And no they shouldn't be there, even observing social distancing or not, no matter what age they are. The rules are clear - no social gatherings of any size. Delivering Easter eggs for the kiddies is not sufficient reason, but I fully expect a lot of people to think they are the exception over Easter now and a full blown crisis of our own making in two weeks.

    I agree its a fudging of rules but what the hell can go wrong if a granny leaves a bag of easter eggs at their grandchild doors and says something to the window of a house?

    Seriously, how can this result in a full blown crisis?


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    #5415
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Holohan was asleep at the wheel. His advice on everything from general public risk , to travel, to sporting events, to Paddy's day, to nursing homes was just completely and utterly wrong. There were many here in the early days who seemingly knew far more about this than him and his cronies.

    Granted it was similar in many, many countries - but that's not really a good excuse. He didn't do his job.


    Harsh.


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    #5416
    petes
    Registered Users Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Holohan was asleep at the wheel. His advice on everything from general public risk , to travel, to sporting events, to Paddy's day, to nursing homes was just completely and utterly wrong. There were many here in the early days who seemingly knew far more about this than him and his cronies.

    Granted it was similar in many, many countries - but that's not really a good excuse. He didn't do his job.

    None of the armchair scientists/medical people here knew anything before anyone else, only guessing.

    Some decisions were bad, some good, hindsight is great when you are saying people made the wrong decisions.

    It's a novel corona virus, no one knew.


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    #5417
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    gabeeg wrote: »
    To be fair to them, the govs terrible early response was most likely due to ignorance rather than laissez faire cold heartededness.

    As soon as they had that come to Jesus moment, they have put public health first.

    Cummings has been widely quoted as saying that if a proportion of old people need to die than so be it.

    It was only when the imperial college study came out that said a quarter of a million could die if they held the policy that the policy was changed.


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    #5418
    gabeeg
    Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Cummings has been widely quoted as saying that if a proportion of old people need to die than so be it.

    It was only when the imperial college study came out that said a quarter of a million could die if they held the policy that the policy was changed.

    Sorry I wasn't clearer. I was talking about our own gov.

    Cummings is a little freak. He shouldn't be anywhere near power.


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    #5419
    spookwoman
    Registered Users Posts: 9,922 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    Tinfoil hat brigade
    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1247889718198468608?s=20


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    #5420
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Snickers Man wrote: »
    The WHO is to blame!!!!

    Seems like President Trump and his willing media allies Fox/Sky News around the world are holding the WHO up as the scapegoat for America's misery, at least in as much as it pertains to this virus.

    Several news reports and opinion peaces that show how the president is keen to deflect attention away from his own pathetic shortcomings and blame "the foreigners" for America's misfortune.

    RTE is reporting that Trump wants to cut US funding for WHO because of the virus, and Fox News in Austalia has already waded in with an opinion piece in support of the Trumpian line.
    Elsewhere, Fox opinion spouters like Judge Jeannine Pirro are describing Trump as a "War leader" and absolutely the best man to have in the front line at this time.

    There's no doubt that lines are being spun for our consumption by those sections of the media who are in Trump's pocket.

    If you've never heard of the World Health Organisation (WHO) before now, you're going to hear a lot about them soon.

    It's all their fault, you know :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    You can expect at least one outrageous statement from the Orange Fool at each of his nightly comedy gigs.

    All designed to deflect attention away from his own disastrous response to the pandemic.

    He appears to be rowing back on his threat to the WHO now.


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    #5421
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Snickers Man wrote: »
    The WHO is to blame!!!!

    Who are you, It's hard, but Who's next, Tommy ?


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    #5422
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Wrong thread :rolleyes:



    While I didn't obviously ask for ID they did both appear to be over 70. And no they shouldn't be there, even observing social distancing or not, no matter what age they are. The rules are clear - no social gatherings of any size. Delivering Easter eggs for the kiddies is not sufficient reason, but I fully expect a lot of people to think they are the exception over Easter now and a full blown crisis of our own making in two weeks.

    The whole easter thing was covered earlier by the gardai, if your stopped at a checkpoint you'll be turned back simple as.

    I've no issue if someone is walking past a house for example , leaves something at the end of a garden and the person in the house comes out to get it after. Theres no social interaction within distance to pick anything up.

    We're going to get 2 more weeks of restrictions and it's up to everyone to have enough cop on to observe the current guidelines.


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    #5423
    duffman13
    Registered Users Posts: 8,946 ✭✭✭duffman13


    owlbethere wrote: »
    They were slow to order the cancelling of the parades. I think it was around about the 9th or 10th of March when they ordered the cancelling of any parades. Many of us here saw what was going on around Europe and the parades and should have been cancelled before that IMO. They were definitely putting economic activity ahead of the health and wellbeing being of the nation. I do think they were going to go down the road of herd immunity. The CMO has been excellent.

    Again, there is nothing anywhere to ever suggest this.

    As regards to the parades, it was clear a few days beforehand it would be called off so I cant argue with you there. He had already made announcements on mass gatherings. He was very much scrutinised on the 25th or 26th of February over the Ireland v Italy game by people suggesting it was an over reaction and it should go ahead but with no away fans in the stadium.

    There will always be some criticism and the delay in calling Paddys day was frustrating as it was clearly a non runner at that stage.


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    #5424
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Cummings has been widely quoted as saying that if a proportion of old people need to die than so be it.

    It was only when the imperial college study came out that said a quarter of a million could die if they held the policy that the policy was changed.
    Cummings' uncle died after catching the virus.


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    #5425
    gabeeg
    Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    petes wrote: »
    None of the armchair scientists/medical people here knew anything before anyone else, only guessing.

    Some decisions were bad, some good, hindsight is great when you are saying people made the wrong decisions.

    It's a novel corona virus, no one knew.

    Ok. Tell me what he handled well in the weeks prior to their collective come to jesus moment.

    I've given you a list of incredibly important things that he made a pigs ear of.
    Can you tell me what they got right?


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    #5426
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Yes I understand that, my point is for example if they live local and are walking within the 2k then they can stop outside. Theres nothing to stop someone who's out walking being at the other end of someones garden


    At what point does it become unacceptable though, that's the problem - everyone seems to have their own interpretation of a pretty straightforward statement/request. Because of this we then end up with parks and beaches full of people because they are "social distancing" - in their own view. We have moved on from social distancing, we are now supposed to isolate households, and for the mostpart - stay home. The gardai held off on the additional powers for as long as they could, they now need them because of so many people deciding that the rules aren't there for them - just others.

    We just need to do another week or two of just staying away from people we don't live with, it will make a huge difference to restrictions being lifted sooner.


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    #5427
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    I agree its a fudging of rules but what the hell can go wrong if a granny leaves a bag of easter eggs at their grandchild doors and says something to the window of a house?

    Seriously, how can this result in a full blown crisis?

    Lol, you actually think people are keeping a necessary distance? While what I saw out is obviously anecdotal - there wasn't much social distancing going on. We were told no unnecessary journeys. Easter egg deliveries are not necessary, yet lots seem to think they are the exception.

    We will have a full blown crisis if what I saw is typical across the country. And I don't live anywhere special.


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    #5428
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    The UK last 24hr death total must be close to a 1000 today ,the biggest now in Europe as England alone was 828 and Scotland, wales and NI have to be added to that :eek:


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    #5429
    bb12
    Registered Users Posts: 881 ✭✭✭bb12


    saw this link posted elsewhere and had a look...sobering to put faces to the numbers.

    covid-19 memorial page
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/674340603300876/


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    #5430
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 24,899 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    Social visits aren't encouraged in any form though as per latest guidelines, people are only supposed to leave their house for - emergencies, shopping for essentials, exercise, and caring for people who are cocooned/need assistance.

    Calling round for a chat is not one of these things...

    100 %. If no need to go, DONT..... key word NEED... NECESSITY.


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    #5431
    podgeandrodge
    Registered Users Posts: 5,766 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Cummings has been widely quoted as saying that if a proportion of old people need to die than so be it.

    It was only when the imperial college study came out that said a quarter of a million could die if they held the policy that the policy was changed.

    Downing Street referred to this as a highly defamatory fabrication and said it was untrue. So he might have been widely quoted as saying that, but it does not mean that he did.

    People read what they want to read sometimes especially when they don't like the person they are reading about.


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