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The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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    #7052
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    devnull wrote: »
    Sky didn't get one either I noticed and they've normally got one every day, but then again they gave the Tories a pretty rough ride the last few days and Beth Rigby and Sam Coates have been much more forensic than the BBC.

    There was one comment from Beth Rigby earlier on when they were talking about the Castle that Cummings apparently went to, where she said essentially said something along the lines of how good it would have been if there was just a simple direct question about it to BJ. Makes you wonder if she wanted to but she was not selected.

    Could be. Though it's a wonder she didn't mention it when she was analysing the briefing afterwards. But am sure that's first time havent heard sky asking a question, usually second after BBC, so it is suspicious alright.


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    #7053
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,456 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Maybe the child with severe autism was not familiar with the sister who lives round the corner and more familiar with family where he spends most of his time.

    Where is the proof the child has "severe autism"?

    His Brother also lives in London, could he not have looked after him or are you suggesting that the child sees more of his grandparents who live 260 miles away than anyone else?


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    #7054
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    brickster69 wrote: »
    Maybe the child with severe autism was not familiar with the sister who lives round the corner and more familiar with family where he spends most of his time.
    Oh, would you stop making excuses for the pathetic hypocrite?
    If it was a genuine excuse, then it would have been trotted out by now. The fact is that there was no excuse for him travelling 260 miles to visit his parents apart from utter contempt for the UK people.


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    #7055
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭brickster69


    robinph wrote: »
    Pretty sure they don't diagnose autism that young.

    Does Cummings kid have such a diagnosis?

    https://www.autism.org.uk/about/diagnosis/children.aspx

    All roads lead to Rome.



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    #7056
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,456 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    brickster69 wrote: »
    https://www.autism.org.uk/about/diagnosis/children.aspx

    Why did he need to drive that far? The child wasnt in the care of anyone other than Cummins and his wife, shopping was dropped off on the doorstep, this could have easily been done in London.


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    #7057
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,595 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Interesting tweets.
    https://twitter.com/BBCSimonMcCoy/status/1264599075934154752

    Not really sure the place to have that discussion is on twitter, probably should have took it to DM.

    It's also not a geat look for the BBC, especially considering the backlash Laura has got.


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    #7058
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    brickster69 wrote: »
    What would anyone else do if they was closely working with someone who had come down with Corona for long period and there 4 YO child had autism.

    Deputy cmo Jenny Harries made it very clear in March what the guidance was in difficult circumstances regarding children.

    She said: "Clearly if you have adults who are unable to look after a small child, that is an exceptional circumstance.

    "And if the individuals do not have access to care support - formal care support - or to family, they will be able to work through their local authority hubs."

    The government says that those with no one to help with getting food, prescriptions or other essentials, could get support from NHS volunteers , or should contact their local council."

    She also further pointed out on Saturday that a "risk to life" was also an exceptional circumstance but i think we're discounting that here, though you can never be sure how the story will develop.


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    #7059
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    brickster69 wrote: »
    https://www.autism.org.uk/about/diagnosis/children.aspx

    I've Googled it and not seeing anywhere referring to his child having autism. It's good to see you're being inventive in your defence of him.


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    #7060
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users Posts: 17,033 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    brickster69 wrote: »
    What would anyone else do if they was closely working with someone who had come down with Corona for long period and there 4 YO child had autism.

    You are now inventing excuses


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    #7061
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I've Googled it and not seeing anywhere referring to his child having autism. It's good to see you're being inventive in your defence of him.

    What, is everyones child's medical condition supposed to be disclosed to the general public for them to scrutinise ?

    All roads lead to Rome.



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    #7062
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,456 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    brickster69 wrote: »
    What, is everyones child's medical condition supposed to be disclosed to the general public for them to scrutinise ?

    And yet you know about it?


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    #7063
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    brickster69 wrote: »
    You presume that

    Does his kid have autism?

    If they do then presumably they are already getting professional support locally to their home rather than in Durham. They have shops for food in London. They have people who are capable of delivering food to you doorstep in London. They have social services in London. They have all the resources of the government available to him in London.

    Why did he need to drive the length of the country whilst I'll? Why was he out of isolation before 14 days? Why was he travelling back to Durham again, possibly twice more? Why was he unaware of the line "Do not leave home under any circumstances."?


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    #7064
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    robinph wrote: »
    Why was he unaware of the line "Do not leave home under any circumstances."?
    Just to be clear, as an attendee of SAGE meetings he would be acutely aware of government policy and the "science" behind it.


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    #7065
    Enzokk
    Registered Users Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    brickster69 wrote: »
    What, is everyones child's medical condition supposed to be disclosed to the general public for them to scrutinise ?

    I think you have deliberately missed my reply,

    Enzokk wrote: »
    UK Government advice
    It is very important that individuals with symptoms that may be due to coronavirus (COVID-19) and their household members stay at home. Staying at home will help control the spread of the virus to friends, the wider community, and particularly the most vulnerable.

    Why are you getting defensive about people asking if his child has autism? You brought it into the thread. Either you have evidence that his child has autism, or it is not public and you are sharing private information on a public forum or you are just making things up.


    Other news, more members of the SAGE sub-group are showing their disdain for the damage Johnson has done today,

    https://twitter.com/ReicherStephen/status/1264611728073121798?s=20

    https://twitter.com/SusanMichie/status/1264613199162281986?s=20


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    #7066
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,595 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Just to be clear, as an attendee of SAGE meetings he would be acutely aware of government policy and the "science" behind it.

    On the subject of SAGE, a member of the group feeding into it has spoken out saying that Johnson has effectively thrown away all their hard work to get people to comply and also all the advice that has been given out.

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1264613138063937541
    Johnson is clueless. He is getting it from absolutely all angles now, the media, his own MPs, the scientists, Tory commentators, you name it, he's getting flack for it and he could have avoided it all if he sacked Cummings.

    He didn't and now this risks turning into a full blown crisis that will engulf the Government and it's all his fault.


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    #7067
    Enzokk
    Registered Users Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    That tweet from the Civil Service account will be investigated by the Cabinet Office. Disloyalty like that will not be tolerated it seems. But your tweeter will not be alone if he faces the consequences of telling the truth to the world.

    https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1264617551411261441?s=20


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    #7068
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    dogbert27 wrote: »
    Looking forward to seeing Keir Starmer challenge Boris on the Cummings issue!

    I'll tell you what will happen.

    Starmer will hammer him. Boris will get hammered in the media this week. The viewing figures will be miniscule. The reaction from the media will be taken in by a tiny percentage of voters. Nobody will care during the General Election in 2024.


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    #7069
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Enzokk wrote: »
    That tweet from the Civil Service account will be investigated by the Cabinet Office. Disloyalty like that will not be tolerated it seems. But your tweeter will not be alone if he faces the consequences of telling the truth to the world.

    https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1264617551411261441?s=20

    How about investigating how the DHSC twitter account became a portal for attacking journalists writing critical stories of the government since the crisis began? Won't hold breath on that one, anyway.


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    #7070
    maebee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭maebee


    Jesus, this would make you pine for the days of Theresa May and the backstop :)


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    #7071
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,757 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Deleted User wrote: »
    His wife's sister lived around the corner. He also went back to Durham weeks later.
    His wife does not have a sister


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    #7072
    HBC08
    Registered Users Posts: 3,353 ✭✭✭HBC08


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Johnson just treated everyone in the UK with utter contempt live on TV

    And half the UK will back him to the hilt.
    There are zero consequences for him,it's a sh1t show and it's only going to get worse.
    Facts and reality are obsolete now


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    #7073
    theteal
    Registered Users Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭theteal


    Call me a cynic but I just don't believe the audio "issue" was at the BBC end of the link.


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    #7074
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Whatever it is that Cummings has on Johnson must be good.

    Was Johnson playing the role of the pigs head at Camerons Bullingdon club incident?


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    #7075
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,757 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    devnull wrote: »
    There was one comment from Beth Rigby earlier on when they were talking about the Castle that Cummings apparently went to, on about it to BJ.
    Barnard Castle is a town (which does host a castle of the same name)

    Just to confuse things though, Cummins' 84 year old father in law does own a castle in Northumberland - Chillingham Castle

    Is there any suggestion he did take his son to a "castle" or is that simply confusion about the town of the same name?

    If he did visit the 84 yo father in law knowing he and his wife both had it (or were pretty sure they had it), then that's another "breach"


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    #7076
    Enzokk
    Registered Users Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    Why are we discussing whether they had family in London? The advice is clear, if anyone in your home is showing symptoms you get home and you stay indoors. People died at home alone, grasping for breath because that was the advice, but this joker was allowed to travel 260 miles to go to a second home on the property of the parents? Those trying to defend him should be ashamed, there is no defense for anything he did. If he was just a normal civil servant it would be a something that gets him fired. Being the top advisor to the PM and in the SAGE meetings as well, there is no excuse or reason for him to still be employed.


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    #7077
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Brendan O'Neill on Sky News positing an entirely predictable defence of the indefensible.


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    #7078
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    This lad?

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    #7079
    brickster69
    Registered Users Posts: 5,453 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Beasty wrote: »
    His wife does not have a sister

    Dominic Cummings mother Morag is a special needs teacher and behavioural specialist

    All roads lead to Rome.



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    #7080
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Beasty wrote: »

    If he did visit the 84 yo father in law knowing he and his wife both had it (or were pretty sure they had it), then that's another "breach"

    Leaving the house to go to a tourist attraction would be a breach. Driving somewhere to exercise would be a breach. Leaving isolation before the 14 days were up would be a breach. Visiting relatives would be a breach.

    There is nothing OK about any of his actions, and this was all in the first weeks of lockdown so can hardly claim that he had forgotten the slogans he invented already.


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    #7081
    Enzokk
    Registered Users Posts: 5,602 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    Beasty wrote: »
    Barnard Castle is a town (which does host a castle of the same name)

    Just to confuse things though, Cummins' 84 year old father in law does own a castle in Northumberland - Chillingham Castle

    Is there any suggestion he did take his son to a "castle" or is that simply confusion about the town of the same name?

    If he did visit the 84 yo father in law knowing he and his wife both had it (or were pretty sure they had it), then that's another "breach"


    Seems they went to the town and that is where he was spotted and his number plate was noted by a member of the public. Remember that questions was asked already when this happened about his whereabouts but No.10 never responded to the request for comment.

    Dominic Cummings timeline: what we know about his movements
    Sunday 7 April: The ‘Abba’ sighting
    The following days, by Wakefield’s account, were a mixture of family idyll and health nightmare, as she made a “palace out of polystyrene packaging” with their son even as Cummings’s breathing got so bad that she feared he should be in hospital.

    But 10 days after her husband first fell ill, she said, he began to feel better – just as Boris Johnson went into hospital. That would place the improvement in his condition around Sunday 5 April, although 10 days after the 28th – the earliest point at which Cummings was said to have been symptomatic – was 7 April.

    That Sunday, a passerby told the Guardian, they spotted Cummings by sheer chance. The encounter was fleeting but memorable: Cummings was standing outside with his little boy, in “dark coat and thick tartan scarf”, and Abba was playing at full blast.

    On the same day, the Guardian asked Downing Street about the claims. “It’ll be a ‘no comment’ on that one,” an official responded. On the Friday of the same week, after establishing further details, the Guardian asked again. Again, the response was no comment.


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