Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings

gmisk · 25-05-2020 10:07am

He is entitled to question it imo.

But surely Labour could come up with someone better than him to be their leader?
He will forever be tainted by his arrogance around water charges/Irish water.

Breezin · 25-05-2020 10:08am

prunudo wrote: »

Is that the guy from one of the Cork universities, if so, he was on the tonight show last week, scaremongering of the highest order. People like this shouldn't be given a voice in the media only feeds into anxiety and fear.

There seems to be a particular community of Irish health experts who are playing a game of who is the hardest. Like economists and politicians were doing a few years ago with their 'tough choices'.

Our domestic experts are forming their own echo chamber, helped not least by RTE and other media, and not listening to much more considered expertise from elsewhere internationally.

PhilOssophy · 25-05-2020 10:10am

plodder wrote: »

Rubbish post. He is perfectly entitled to ask why the WHO are saying 1 metre and we are sticking with 2, and if he doesn't get a good answer, to call for it to change to 1 metre.

Its just a soundbite from him though. We have 1 Dáil committee already to examine the response, talk about another one being formed, would that not be a more appropriate forum? Why isn't he on them if he is such an expert in infectious diseases?

Would you trust the WHO at the moment? It was their action, or lack of it, which caused this disease to spread globally.

Podge201 · 25-05-2020 10:10am

If it gets reduced to 1 metre may as well have no restriction. People already can't comprehend the 2 metre.

super_furry · 25-05-2020 10:10am

gmisk wrote: »

He is entitled to question it imo.

But surely Labour could come up with someone better than him to be their leader?
He will forever be tainted by his arrogance around water charges/Irish water.

I think his coronation as Labour leader is the signature on their death certificate. Aodhán Ó Ríordáin could have offered a genuine change and new direction but instead they went for Bertie's mate.

An Ri rua · 25-05-2020 10:12am

plodder wrote: »

Rubbish post. He is perfectly entitled to ask why the WHO are saying 1 metre and we are sticking with 2, and if he doesn't get a good answer, to call for it to change to 1 metre.

That's a ridiculous position to take. The WHO is an international organisation and therefore the lowest common denominator will always be lower than it might be if we just focussed on 1st world countries.

The Taoiseach has often outlined that, as we are behind the trajectory of other European countries, we can learn from their progress, or setbacks.

Tony Holohan is the specialist. No matter what the subject, you'll have a pool of expert TDs questioning experts not on behalf of their constituents but on behalf of their half-educated egos.

PhilOssophy · 25-05-2020 10:13am

An Ri rua wrote: »

half-educated egos.

Ease off with the compliments there, half-educated?

GooglePlus · 25-05-2020 10:14am

How is talking about a second wave scaremongering, it's blatantly obvious that we're going to have one.

The virus hasn't gone anywhere and we don't have decent tracing in place, so we are going to have a second wave.

This time around the economy will weigh heavier than public health, which are two the same down the line anyway.

Most of us are contracting this virus eventually, it's just a matter of when.

KrustyUCC · 25-05-2020 10:20am

An Ri rua wrote: »

That's a ridiculous position to take. The WHO is an international organisation and therefore the lowest common denominator will always be lower than it might be if we just focussed on 1st world countries.

The Taoiseach has often outlined that, as we are behind the trajectory of other European countries, we can learn from their progress, or setbacks.

Tony Holohan is the specialist. No matter what the subject, you'll have a pool of expert TDs questioning experts not on behalf of their constituents but on behalf of their half-educated egos.

Tony Holohan followed WHO advice when it suited him

Those seeking Covid-19 test must display two major symptoms under new rules

The changes follow the application of new World Health Organization case definition and prioritisation criteria.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0325/1126202-those-seeking-test-must-display-two-major-symptoms/

nickkinneg · 25-05-2020 10:20am

GooglePlus wrote: »

How is talking about a second wave scaremongering, it's blatantly obvious that we're going to have one.

The virus hasn't gone anywhere and we don't have decent tracing in place, so we are going to have a second wave.

This time around the economy will weigh heavier than public health, which are two the same down the line anyway.

Most of us are contracting this virus eventually, it's just a matter of when.

Worryingly there is reports of cases in Jilin? Provence on the border of Russia where the virus is behaving differently longer incubation period and they are not presenting with High temperatures

plodder · 25-05-2020 10:22am

An Ri rua wrote: »

That's a ridiculous position to take. The WHO is an international organisation and therefore the lowest common denominator will always be lower than it might be if we just focussed on 1st world countries.

Oh please, I bet you weren't saying that at the beginning of the crisis. In fact, that was the exact attitude of the UK and the US - "look at us, with our top class universities. We dont need to listen to the WHO."

The Taoiseach has often outlined that, as we are behind the trajectory of other European countries, we can learn from their progress, or setbacks.

Tony Holohan is the specialist. No matter what the subject, you'll have a pool of expert TDs questioning experts not on behalf of their constituents but on behalf of their half-educated egos.

Even if the WHO aren't to your liking there are plenty of people advocating for 1 metre, or questioning how exactly the 2 metres was arrived at.

This idea that politicians shouldn't be asking questions is anti-democratic, though I would accept Kelly should tone the outrage down a bit. The exact same questions are being asked by others thankfully.

El Tarangu · 25-05-2020 10:25am

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Would you trust the WHO at the moment? It was their action, or lack of it, which caused this disease to spread globally.

So, Alan Kelly can't proffer an opinion on something because he isn't a public health expert, but then when actual public health experts give advice, you disregard that, too

25-05-2020 10:25am

I reckon we should merge phase 2 and 3 and start from next Tuesday after the bank holiday. Announcement would need to be made this Friday. Then phase 4 and 5 merged and 2 weeks later.

That’s what a normal country would do.

In Ireland though, we’ll probably still have Tony calling for a further 3 weeks of phase 1.

Hubertj · 25-05-2020 10:26am

i believe WHO guidance is "at least 1 metre", which is different to "1 metre"

Diarmuid · 25-05-2020 10:27am

El Tarangu wrote: »

So, Alan Kelly can't proffer an opinion on something because he isn't a public health expert, but then when actual public health experts give advice, you disregard that, too

Let me explain it for you. When someone says something you want to hear, then they are en expert. If they don't, they're not longer an expert.

paw patrol · 25-05-2020 10:27am

super_furry wrote: »

I think his coronation as Labour leader is the signature on their death certificate. Aodhán Ó Ríordáin could have offered a genuine change and new direction but instead they went for Bertie's mate.

Aodhán Ó Ríordáin ? you're taking the piss.

Ginger n Lemon · 25-05-2020 10:28am

Infuriating!

"The payment is to be extended past its expiration date of June 8, according to Business Minister Heather Humphreys.

She said that this “anomaly” is due to the speed of the payment being put in place and that the payment will be reviewed to address issues before it is extended past June 8.

“It’s not fair and not sustainable that some people are earning more than before they were off work however when the PUP was introduced it was an urgent response to an unprecedented emergency,” she said.

Are we understaffed in dept of finance? We have 200,000 people receiving more with 350 a week than they would working, for the last 8 weeks. WTF is this lavish expenditure, bankrupting our nation while saying "oh we paid them more because it was done quickly and urgently and noone had time to think"

Is this for real?? This must be the most financially incompetent government decision of all time since Russians sold Alaska. They pissed away a lot of our budget needlessly because "it was urgent" even though they had weeks and months to prepare for such scenario as giving away free money.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/recipients-who-earn-more-on-pandemic-payment-than-at-work-will-be-reviewed-when-it-is-extended-past-june-8-39231390.html

manniot2 · 25-05-2020 10:28am

Deleted User wrote: »

I reckon we should merge phase 2 and 3 and start from next Tuesday after the bank holiday. Announcement would need to be made this Friday. Then phase 4 and 5 merged and 2 weeks later.

That’s what a normal country would do.

In Ireland though, we’ll probably still have Tony calling for a further 3 weeks of phase 1.

There is absolutely no chance of that happening. I think people may be underestimating the gulf that exists between these medical people and their interaction with the real economy. And in the absence of a proper politician in charge, what they say, goes.

plodder · 25-05-2020 10:30am

Hubertj wrote: »

i believe WHO guidance is "at least 1 metre", which is different to "1 metre"

Not really, unless you think when people say "1 metre" that means it has to be one metre exactly. Nobody thinks that.

25-05-2020 10:30am

nickkinneg wrote: »

Worryingly there is reports of cases in Jilin? Provence on the border of Russia where the virus is behaving differently longer incubation period and they are not presenting with High temperatures

Maybe they dont have high temperatures because the strain is less virulent and doesn't trigger as strong an immune response. Reports also suggest this "strain" only impacts the lungs and not other organs. Also... http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-05/25/c_139085280.htm

ixoy · 25-05-2020 10:36am

An Ri rua wrote: »

Tony Holohan is the specialist. No matter what the subject, you'll have a pool of expert TDs questioning experts not on behalf of their constituents but on behalf of their half-educated egos.

Tony is a specialist. There are others too. And so we can ask Tony, as a specialist, why he is saying 2m when other specialists are saying 1.5m and I'm sure he can clearly outline why in layman's terms if necessary.

nickkinneg · 25-05-2020 10:37am

GooglePlus wrote: »

How is talking about a second wave scaremongering, it's blatantly obvious that we're going to have one.

The virus hasn't gone anywhere and we don't have decent tracing in place, so we are going to have a second wave.

This time around the economy will weigh heavier than public health, which are two the same down the line anyway.

Most of us are contracting this virus eventually, it's just a matter of when.

Worryingly there is reports of cases in Jilin? Provence on the border of Russia where the virus is behaving differently longer incubation period and they are not presenting with High temperatures

nickkinneg · 25-05-2020 10:37am

GooglePlus wrote: »

How is talking about a second wave scaremongering, it's blatantly obvious that we're going to have one.

The virus hasn't gone anywhere and we don't have decent tracing in place, so we are going to have a second wave.

This time around the economy will weigh heavier than public health, which are two the same down the line anyway.

Most of us are contracting this virus eventually, it's just a matter of when.

Worryingly there is reports of cases in Jilin? Provence on the border of Russia where the virus is behaving differently longer incubation period and they are not presenting with High temperatures

growleaves · 25-05-2020 10:39am

Professor Killeen warning of a possible four years of restrictions.

plodder · 25-05-2020 10:40am

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Its just a soundbite from him though. We have 1 Dáil committee already to examine the response, talk about another one being formed, would that not be a more appropriate forum? Why isn't he on them if he is such an expert in infectious diseases?

No disrespect to you and I kind of agree with you about the tone of his contributions, but this is too important to just leave to a Dail committee that I have seen and heard nothing from. "if he is such an expert in infectious diseases" that is plainly absurd. Politicians aren't expert in many of the important things they make decisions on. I hate to see this debasement of politics, calling them all populists etc.

Would you trust the WHO at the moment? It was their action, or lack of it, which caused this disease to spread globally.

They are public health experts. You can agree or disagree with them, but you can't say they don't have experts.

Ginger n Lemon · 25-05-2020 10:40am

Czechs are powering through

"CZECHS EASE LOCKDOWN — BUT INFECTIONS GROW

The Czech Republic began its final coronavirus lockdown-easing on Monday, although the epidemic appears to be escalating. As of Monday, mass events can be held with up to 300 people, indoor areas in restaurants, pubs, cafes, castles and zoos are again open to the public, as are swimming pools, social and medical in-patient facilities, tattoo parlors, hotels and campsites. Social distancing and hygienic regulations must be followed, however.

Primary schools will also reopen for the first time since mid-March, though groups cannot be larger than 15 and children's attendance is voluntary. The wearing of masks in public will also be relaxed; face coverings will no longer be mandatory outdoors, unless individuals are closer than 2 meters to each other, but they remain obligatory in buildings and on public transport.

The easing comes as data published by the Czech health ministry shows a surge in the rate of COVID-19 infections. On Sunday, 65 coronavirus infections were registered from 3,317 samples tested, an infection rate of nearly 2 percent, the highest since April 20. In addition, the R (or reproduction) number has risen to 1.07, its highest level since April 6."

They ve given up on trying to get cases down to 0. Dont want to eradicate anything, prof Killeen needs to give them a buzz

brighterspark · 25-05-2020 10:40am

Professor O'Neill on Pat Kenney made some very interesting points - he stated it was 18 times (approx) less likely to contact virus outdoors than inside. Also 2 metres was less necessary outdoors. Absolutely no reason for all non-contact outdoor sports to be banned - it is more than necessary for our youth who have now no prospects of employment this summer. People will be the first to complain if they see them in mass gangs hanging out all summer or probably worse hiding indoors in large groups. This over cautious fear driven existence is no way to live. Also let the 6th class go back to school and at least have an outdoors graduation - should be manageable!