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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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    #902
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    What are peoples worries about their kids going back to school?


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    #903
    gabeeg
    Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    What are peoples worries about their kids going back to school?

    Scroll up


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    #904
    glack
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    Sammy2012 wrote: »
    Online teaching is not suitable for kids at the younger end of primary school. Kids also need social interaction. School is not all about academics.

    Agree completely. But I also think classes of 30 back in the classroom without social distancing (not enough space) or masks (which aren’t appropriate for young children obviously) seems to go against all international advice.

    Surely we should be looking at some sort of blended model?

    Starting to feel more and more likely that we won’t stay open as normal for long. There needs to be a plan in place or we’ll have the panic closing situation from March all over again!! All the documentation says is that schools should look at online platforms in case of closures. No advice, no guidelines. We’ll be back in a space where some children are being properly supported while others are getting a token list of homework.


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    #905
    Boggles
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    What are peoples worries about their kids going back to school?

    I'm going to have say the once in a generation global pandemic for $50.


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    #906
    teachinggal123
    Registered Users Posts: 840 ✭✭✭teachinggal123


    glack wrote: »
    Starting to feel more and more likely that we won’t stay open as normal for long. There needs to be a plan in place or we’ll have the panic closing situation from March all over again!! All the documentation says is that schools should look at online platforms in case of closures. No advice, no guidelines. We’ll be back in a space where some children are being properly supported while others are getting a token list of homework.

    This, absolutely this 100%.


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    #907
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Boggles wrote: »
    I'm going to have say the once in a generation global pandemic for $50.

    And they're afraid their kids will catch it and die?

    Which there is no evidence that can happen?

    Not one child has died of covid-19 in Ireland.


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    #908
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    And they're afraid their kids will catch it and die?

    Which there is no evidence that can happen?

    Not one child has died of covid-19 in Ireland.

    Hint : it's highly contagious.


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    #909
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    The_Brood wrote: »
    I mean if there's one thing anyone on the planet would have learned about the virus is that social interaction is out the window until a vaccine is developed and most take it. Whatever other debate is being had about travel, lockdowns etc I think that's the one clear thing - people shouldn't gather in large social groups.

    So I don't see how anyone would expect schools to be allowed to reopen.

    What's clear now is people that are affected by this disease need to shield away and the rest need to get on with it

    Less than 100 people with no underlying conditions have died here in 8 months

    99.9% of healthy people are going to survive

    Vaccines are only 50% effective at best of times, they are not going to save everyone

    Teachers that are over 60 or have underlying conditions should be made stay at home and get the Covid payment

    Parents of that age with underlying need to keep kids at home as well, perphaps the older teachers can teach them online

    We need an yearly NCT for people, needed it for years


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    #910
    gabeeg
    Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    And they're afraid their kids will catch it and die?

    Which there is no evidence that can happen?

    Not one child has died of covid-19 in Ireland.

    You're right. Fortunately in Ireland all of our teaching staff are under the age of five, and the pupils themselves all live alone in bedsits.


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    #911
    Loafing Oaf
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    And they're afraid their kids will catch it and die?

    Which there is no evidence that can happen?

    Not one child has died of covid-19 in Ireland.

    So parents should only be concerned about their children's health if there is a realistic possibility the condition in question will actually kill them? So if a child contracts severe eczema, say, the parent should refuse to bring them to the doctor and tell them it's just a bit of an itch?


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    #912
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    And they're afraid their kids will catch it and die?

    Which there is no evidence that can happen?

    Not one child has died of covid-19 in Ireland.

    Somebody just woke up at the middle of pandemic, warm welcome :D


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    #913
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    gabeeg wrote: »
    You're right. Fortunately in Ireland all of our teaching staff are under the age of five, and the pupils themselves all live alone in bedsits.

    Not the question I asked.

    I asked why parents are afraid of their kids going back to school.


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    #914
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Not the question I asked.

    I asked why parents are afraid of their kids going back to school.

    To find your answers read the thread..


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    #915
    gabeeg
    Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    What's clear now is people that are affected by this disease need to shield away and the rest need to get on with it

    Less than 100 people with no underlying conditions have died here in 8 months

    99.9% of healthy people are going to survive

    Vaccines are only 50% effective at best of times, they are not going to save everyone

    Thank God it's a binary issue of life and death, and to date not one person has had any prolonged, life-changing severe symptoms.


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    #916
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Not the question I asked.

    I asked why parents are afraid of their kids going back to school.

    I think you are about to join the illustrious list of semi-illiterate trolls on this thread who have been embarrassed and ridiculed so much that they gave up, and one even had to close his account. Have fun.


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    #917
    Boggles
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    And they're afraid their kids will catch it and die?

    Which there is no evidence that can happen?

    Not one child has died of covid-19 in Ireland.

    See your problem is you think real life is a William Golding novel.

    Spoiler: It isn't.


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    #918
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,245 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    I'd certainly be hoping that the hysteria-merchants keep their kids out of school - it will allow my kids to get more individual attention in a smaller classroom setting.


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    #919
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    I'd certainly be hoping that the hysteria-merchants keep their kids out of school - it will allow my kids to get more individual attention in a smaller classroom setting.

    Exactly.

    See I can't get a straight answer here without been called a troll, idiot and something about a book.

    Fact is there is no threat to kids going back to school who have no underlying conditions.

    Mass hysteria and doom.


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    #920
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    What's clear now is people that are affected by this disease need to shield away and the rest need to get on with it

    Less than 100 people with no underlying conditions have died here in 8 months

    99.9% of healthy people are going to survive

    Vaccines are only 50% effective at best of times, they are not going to save everyone

    Teachers that are over 60 or have underlying conditions should be made stay at home and get the Covid payment

    Parents of that age with underlying need to keep kids at home as well, perphaps the older teachers can teach them online

    We need an yearly NCT for people, needed it for years


    50% effective, ah here did you do Science at all in school?

    The long term, fairly serious side effects of COVID are becoming apparent. 20% of people will have some form of cytokine storm, this is extremely damaging grossly to the systems in your body in general. As the above poster said, it's not a binary....anyone in biological sciences will tell you it rarely is. Any illness that throws clots like this will cause all kinds of long term damage, so far we are aware of personality and major depressive disorder events, kidney damage, strokes in the post viral phase, heart damage, kidney damage......the old reliable post viral fatigue...

    Maybe leave it up to the experts to decide how dangerous this is, they are all fairly well I agreement


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    #921
    votecounts
    Registered Users Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭votecounts


    The_Brood wrote: »
    What is the entire nation's obsession with getting children physically back into school? Do parents hate their children so much they are desperate to not be around them so much? Or what am I missing? It's obviously not for educational reasons because online technology provides a solution for that.
    Some parents have to go to work, you know to pay the bills, keep a roof over their head and you can't leave a child on their own at home. Government really should have skipped their holidays to sort this out and not leave parents and teachers to take up the flak.


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    #922
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Thank God it's a binary issue of life and death, and to date not one person has had any prolonged, life-changing severe symptoms.

    Odds of healthy younger people getting really sick from Covid is no different than any of the thousands of illnesses we have in the world


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    #923
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,245 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Exactly.

    See I can't get a straight answer here without been called a troll, idiot and something about a book.

    Fact is there is no threat to kids going back to school who have no underlying conditions.

    Mass hysteria and doom.

    5 months of incessant fear-mongering from our media will do that to the weak-minded unfortunately.

    It's the kids of these parents I feel sorry for, ultimately they will pay the price for the parents inability to think for themselves


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    #924
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    am_zarathustra wrote: »
    50% effective, ah here did you do Science at all in school?

    The long term, fairly serious side effects of COVID are becoming apparent. 20% of people will have some form of cytokine storm, this is extremely damaging grossly to the systems in your body in general. As the above poster said, it's not a binary....anyone in biological sciences will tell you it rarely is. Any illness that throws clots like this will cause all kinds of long term damage, so far we are aware of personality and major depressive disorder events, kidney damage, strokes in the post viral phase, heart damage, kidney damage......the old reliable post viral fatigue...

    Maybe leave it up to the experts to decide how dangerous this is, they are all fairly well I agreement

    Dr Fauci who knows a thing or two, suggests vaccine is going to be 50% effective

    Then what do we do

    Roll the dice?


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    #925
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    I'd certainly be hoping that the hysteria-merchants keep their kids out of school - it will allow my kids to get more individual attention in a smaller classroom setting.

    That's exactly it. If some parents want to keep their kids back, so be it. Most people will want their children to get an education and this shouldn't be denied.


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    #926
    solerina
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    It’s reasonably simple, bring back half of each class group, wear masks ( second level needs to be a day on a day off or a week on a week off to ensure the students covers their full timetable) this will allow for blended learning, proper social distancing and hopefully we can keep the schools open.
    Otherwise I can’t see us lasting a month, I know in my school there is no way to social distance, the building is just too small with too many students !!


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    #927
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    solerina wrote: »
    It’s reasonably simple, bring back half of each class group, wear masks ( second level needs to be a day on a day off or a week on a week off to ensure the students covers their full timetable) this will allow for blended learning, proper social distancing and hopefully we can keep the schools open.
    Otherwise I can’t see us lasting a month, I know in my school there is no way to social distance, the building is just too small with too many students !!

    Exactly 3/2 day weekly split and longer days perphaps

    Teachers have had plenty of rest they can do a few extra hours a week.


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    #928
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Epidemiologically kids are not isolated from society. If we were running boarding schools nationally and all the teachers were under 40 and they never went home then off you go.,....no problem at all. This is simply not the case. The worrying thing I find is the fact a large percentage of people (thankfully still a minority in Ireland) can't analyse risk in a multifactorial issue and believe that people who have spent their lives studying these illnesses know less than their own personal biased opinions.

    I know some of the researchers in this area, they are not suspicious mad scientists, they are normal people with families, parents, immunocompromised loved ones just like all of us. They also want to hug their relatives and go for a pint with their mates.....but they won't because exponential growth viruses what incubate are a serious threat. Look at Kildare, see how quickly it went form nothing to a breakout of hundreds. That's a silent exponential disease at work.

    If it was instantly symptomatic, if there weren't asymptomatic carries, if the incubation period was shorter, if it wasn't aerosolized, if it didn't require hospitalisation in almost 20% of cases, if we had more ICU beds....and many other factors weren't true this wouldn't be an issue. Unfortunately it is all of these things, each confers a risk, when you have multiple risk factors and illness is simply a danger to society

    Have a look at what people said about the first phase of the Spanish flu. Exactly what people are saying here, doesn't kill young people, isn't that bad, it's the government trying to make us stay inside etc.....then it killed 15-50 million people in several successive waves.


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    #929
    am_zarathustra
    Registered Users Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    What's clear now is people that are affected by this disease need to shield away and the rest need to get on with it

    Less than 100 people with no underlying conditions have died here in 8 months

    99.9% of healthy people are going to survive

    Vaccines are only 50% effective at best of times, they are not going to save everyone

    Teachers that are over 60 or have underlying conditions should be made stay at home and get the Covid payment

    Parents of that age with underlying need to keep kids at home as well, perphaps the older teachers can teach them online

    We need an yearly NCT for people, needed it for years
    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Dr Fauci who knows a thing or two, suggests vaccine is going to be 50% effective

    Then what do we do

    Roll the dice?

    Which vaccine? The mRna. The attentuated? Which target protein was he discussing, which methodology? What phase trial is it in?


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    #930
    khalessi
    Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Exactly.

    See I can't get a straight answer here without been called a troll, idiot and something about a book.

    Fact is there is no threat to kids going back to school who have no underlying conditions.

    Mass hysteria and doom.

    Basically the way it is at the moment there is increasing evidence to show that children can catch COvid19 as easily as adults and transmit it as easily as adults. Like adults it is dangerous for just 20% of children but the issue it that children like adults can be asymptomatic spreaders which can endanger the 20%. That 20% includes people who have no underlying conditions as well as those who do. So there is a threat to children without underlying conditions but if they get it they wont be as sick. I have 3 nieces who had it in April 2 teenagers one 5 year old, all were sick with it, none thankfully needed hospitalisation but one was dodgy. Luckily they passed it on to no one else as they were isolating themselves.

    The threat is to other students, or families or teachers. It is natural to be worried. It has been announced that masks should be worn by staff. Children may wear them if they wish. I had some students wearing them in March.

    To say it is a fact that there is no threat to children in incorrect according to studies you would have seen quoted here over the last few months you have been on the thread.


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    #931
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    I'd certainly be hoping that the hysteria-merchants keep their kids out of school - it will allow my kids to get more individual attention in a smaller classroom setting.

    You're happy to put them in the care of intelligent, reasonable and educated adults who probably have different ... erm, 'theories' about the pandemic than you do?


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