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Dafuq is this bollox?

  • 22-10-2018 5:28pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/first-ever-state-funded-heroin-injection-centre-will-cater-for-60-addicts-a-day-878351.html

    I thought drugs where illegal? Why are they spending all this money to enable drug users, instead of focusing their money and effort to get them off it?

    Come bring your own drugs and shoot up… it’s grand…

    Any why do they always insist on having these kind of facilities in built up areas?

    No one wants to see drugged up addicts roaming their streets like fûcking scummy zombies.

    I’m all for helping them out to get off the blasted thing but not to enabling them.


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  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Better than looking at a junkie shooting up on the street.
    You want your kids seeing that?


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    mad muffin wrote: »
    I’m all for helping them out
    mad muffin wrote: »
    fûcking scummy zombies.

    You'll have to pardon my cynicism


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Better than looking at a junkie shooting up on the street.
    You want your kids seeing that?

    Like I said. Spend the money and effort to get them off the stuff in the first place. Hiding them in a “safe” place isn’t going to fix the problem.

    It’s not like they won’t be on the street drugged up anyway.

    Shoot up… off you go. NEXT!


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Omackeral wrote: »
    You'll have to pardon my cynicism

    Criticise away my good fellow.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Like I said. Spend the money and effort to get them off the stuff in the first place. Hiding them in a “safe” place isn’t going to fix the problem.

    There isn’t a magic pill to get them off the gear.

    Better having them shoot up in a controlled environment, with clean needles and medical staff who can help them if they OD than have them shootup in a doorway somewhere throwing their needles where kids can find them.

    I think it’s a progressive move.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Like I said. Spend the money and effort to get them off the stuff in the first place. Hiding them in a “safe” place isn’t going to fix the problem.

    It’s not like they won’t be on the street drugged up anyway.

    Shoot up… off you go. NEXT!

    Not ideal but this way you deal with one problem instead of two.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Well hopefully it's the first step on the road to getting them clean, but for some people it's going to be a very very long journey, if it can be done at all, so better to have them somewhere controlled and safe and yes, out of the way


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭ Dream Many Rover


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,424 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    I think it’s a progressive move.

    I agree, it has to be better than in the streets. However, we've a ways to go...I always think of kids who respond so well to CBD oil but can't get it here because "ooh, cannabis, can't be havin' that shtuff now" - http://www.thejournal.ie/cbd-oil-seizures-3824301-Jan2018/


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Oh here we go… the bleedin lefties are out in force… :rolleyes:

    Round them up into boot camps and detox the **** out of them. They’ll be much better for it and happier.

    Sure they won’t be happy going in but they will definitely be happy coming out the other side.


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  • Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ Selene Elegant Art


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    There isn’t a magic pill to get them off the gear.

    B.

    There is. It is sold by calibre.


  • Posts: 0 Jamie Easy Hash


    Might make O' Connell St more palatable for five minutes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Wonder what the cost of drug addiction is to the tax payer per junkie?

    Crime, Policing, Courts, Prison, Health Service, Rehab. None of that is cheap.

    I can think of better things to spend money on than people who missed the memo that heroin is bad for you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Might make O' Connell St more palatable for five minutes.

    Why is that? Won’t they be letting them out after they shoot up?


  • Posts: 0 Jamie Easy Hash


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Why is that? Won’t they be letting them out after they shoot up?

    Right you are Sherlock.


  • Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭Sonovagun


    Who Dafuq is this Bollox?


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,519 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    We have a long way to go, but supervised injection centers provide a place where addicts can get help, treatment and dispose of their gear. Its not going to improve things overnight, but hopefully it will help make life better little by little.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭ Dream Many Rover


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    Would they offer a free sample for new customers?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 779 ✭✭✭Arrival


    You are a moron if you can't see the logic behind this sort of thing. It's been a huge success in other countries. The only enabling this does is giving access to professional help to people who need it. If you don't criminalise addicts and allow them to regularly have access to clean and safe clinics they will recurringly interact with professionals who stand much more of a chance of getting these people into rehab than if we just let them off around the streets. But of course you're not capable of this sort of reasonable and outside the box thinking, you just see 'drugs' and instantly recoil into your little sheltered cave.

    ALL drugs must be legalised and suitable regulations established around each individual drug according to how harmful they are. This brings the entire issue of drug use above board, destigmatises users and allows us to actually get a true grasp on how prevalent drug use is in society. We then use the generated tax revenue to increase awareness and education about how to stay safe and know when you or people in your life need help. Furthermore, this takes the money and power out of criminal gangs.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    It will stop them being a nuisance in the street but they'll still be robbing people to fund their habit so it solves fuck all really.
    Documents lodged with the application state that pregnant women who are injecting drug users will not be excluded from the service and the MSIF will have a dedicated staff member with expertise in the area.

    Charming.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Like I said. Spend the money and effort to get them off the stuff in the first place. Hiding them in a “safe” place isn’t going to fix the problem.

    It’s not like they won’t be on the street drugged up anyway.

    Shoot up… off you go. NEXT!


    Clean enviroment will lessen some of the complications arising from self injection, thus lessening strain on other medical services. "Getting them off it" involves not only tackling the addiction to the drug but also what it is/was that made being whacked out of it on smack an appealing life style choice.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Oh here we go… the bleedin lefties are out in force… :rolleyes:

    Round them up into boot camps and detox the **** out of them. They’ll be much better for it and happier.

    Sure they won’t be happy going in but they will definitely be happy coming out the other side.

    There’s no point detoxing the **** out of them if they’re going to go back to the same environment where they got on the junk.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Mad thing is they will still do it on the bus, bus shelter, playground, parks, board walks, outside methadone clinic etc etc.

    The only way is to house them in a specialist facility and actually work with them to get them off gear.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    There isn’t a magic pill to get them off the gear.

    Better having them shoot up in a controlled environment, with clean needles and medical staff who can help them if they OD than have them shootup in a doorway somewhere throwing their needles where kids can find them.

    I think it’s a progressive move.
    Funnily enough there is a magic pill to get people off heroin.
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21929313-900-mind-altering-drug-could-offer-life-free-of-heroin/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Bambi wrote: »
    Wonder what the cost of drug addiction is to the tax payer per junkie?

    Crime, Policing, Courts, Prison, Health Service, Rehab. None of that is cheap.

    I can think of better things to spend money on than people who missed the memo that heroin is bad for you.

    €k
    Social welfare : 20
    Medical Card : 5-25 (if HIV positive)
    BioHazzard Clean up : Who Knows?
    Free Legal aid (Misnomer) : Who knows
    Prison Services: no idea
    Garda Resources: no idea 20% of Garda Budget?
    Insurance cost from Damages : No idea?

    Once the needle goes in the soul goes out. Better off and more cost effective focusing on Teenagers and Youth keeping them busy after school and into sports


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    This soft cûnt approach shît will never solve the problem.

    Are drugs legal? No.

    Are the junkies contributing to society in any meaningful way? No

    Round them up detox them. Send them off to be a contributing member to society. If they relapse exile them to some island.

    Also get the drug dealers and send them to these detox camps to see what they are causing, and get them to clean up the junkies shît and puke.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Well hopefully it's the first step on the road to getting them clean, but for some people it's going to be a very very long journey, if it can be done at all, so better to have them somewhere controlled and safe and yes, out of the way

    How much does that cost? What is its success rate? Waste of public money once the needle has gone in your choices are gone. There are no old heroin addicts. The majority of addicts are dead before they hit 30.

    Educate and protect the young from these "Lifestyle choices"


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,752 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    More effort should be concentrated on cutting out the production and supply.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 658 ✭✭✭jjpep


    mad muffin wrote: »
    This soft cûnt approach shît will never solve the problem.

    Are drugs legal? No.

    Are the junkies contributing to society in any meaningful way? No

    Round them up detox them. Send them off to be a contributing member to society. If they relapse exile them to some island.

    Also get the drug dealers and send them to these detox camps to see what they are causing, and get them to clean up the junkies shît and puke.

    Now that Katie Hopkins is gone you could get a job with the daily fail....


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