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Can I be refused a council house for earning too much?

  • 21-02-2020 10:00pm
    #1
    Filepio
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭


    Could anyone tell me if I could be refused a council house if myself and partner earn too much? We've been on the list for 9 years now we also have 2 children and only recently my wife got a job which means we both work full time, would our combined wage cause problems?


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  • #2
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Filepio wrote: »
    Could anyone tell me if I could be refused a council house if myself and partner earn too much? We've been on the list for 9 years now and only recently my wife got a job which means we both work full time, would our combined wage cause problems?

    You mean, if you can afford to house yourselves?


  • #3
    dartboardio
    Registered Users Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    Surely not as been given a council house isn't based on assessment, getting onto the council list is?

    (I would have thought..)


    Surely once you're on the council list you're eligible for a council house, until you take yourself off of it or win the lotto ?

    Depends what your combined income is...

    I mean if your combined income is 40k then I'm sure you're morally still entitled but obviously if someone was being a little greedy and they're combined income was 80/100k a year then I'd be taking myself off of it.


  • #4
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    JayZeus wrote: »
    You mean, if you can afford to house yourselves?

    I desperatly hope the answer to this question is not 'here wife, pack that job in'


  • #5
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    I desperatly hope the answer to this question is not 'here wife, pack that job in'

    In a lot of cases it is....


  • #6
    Filepio
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Filepio


    We cant afford to house ourselves as we dont earn that much but is there a maximum earning per household if we exceed might cause a refusal? I would hate to be refused after waiting for so long and that my wife recently got a job


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  • #7
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    In a lot of cases it is....

    voluntarily leaving a job while on the list should have you sent to the bottom of the list. Attending 50 job interviews and having the interviewer claim that you did make an honest and full effort to secure employment should be required to keep your place.


  • #8
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Filepio wrote: »
    We cant afford to house ourselves as we dont earn that much but is there a maximum earning per household if we exceed might cause a refusal? I would hate to be refused after waiting for so long and that my wife recently got a job

    I believe 50k is the threshold but im sure somebody can confirm or deny that.


  • #9
    Filepio
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Filepio


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    I desperatly hope the answer to this question is not 'here wife, pack that job in'

    No not at all.. I was just putting the question out there to understand what way it works


  • #10
    dartboardio
    Registered Users Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    Filepio wrote: »
    No not at all.. I was just putting the question out there to understand what way it works



    Put it this way, when you're given an offer of a house nobody will be reviewing your income. They would have done that when you applied to get onto the housing list

    You'll be given the council house on the basis that you're on the housing list already, not your current income


  • #11
    Filepio
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Filepio


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    I believe 50k is the threshold but im sure somebody can confirm or deny that.

    Hopefully that's the case, I read on the council site that 2 adults and 2 children is 38,500 but I dunno if that is when applying to get on the list? We wouldn't make 50k between us


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  • #12
    BabysCoffee
    Registered Users Posts: 4,712 ✭✭✭BabysCoffee


    Filepio wrote: »
    We cant afford to house ourselves as we dont earn that much but is there a maximum earning per household if we exceed might cause a refusal? I would hate to be refused after waiting for so long and that my wife recently got a job

    Are you claiming all that you are entitled to i.e the family income supplement
    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_to_families_and_children/family_income_supplement.html


  • #13
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Plenty get a house where both are working but what you pay will be decided on the amount earned.


  • #14
    Redmen6
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭Redmen6


    citizens information website will give you the info on income thresholds and how income is assessed.


  • #15
    Filepio
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Filepio


    BabysCoffee wrote: »
    Are you claiming all that you are entitled to i.e the family income supplement
    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_to_families_and_children/family_income_supplement.html

    We are getting HAP at the moment


  • #16
    Filepio
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Filepio


    Thanks to everyone so far with your help, any information helps. Cheers


  • #17
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    voluntarily leaving a job while on the list should have you sent to the bottom of the list. Attending 50 job interviews and having the interviewer claim that you did make an honest and full effort to secure employment should be required to keep your place.

    Hard to prove they left voluntarily....

    Hard to also prove they didn’t make an honest attempt at the interview.....

    100% agree with you by the way


  • #18
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Your rent will be assessed on your income. So if your income exceeds the threshold I can see any offer of housing been withdrawn . Although each council seems to make their own decisions.


  • #19
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,867 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    punisher5112 wrote:
    Plenty get a house where both are working but what you pay will be decided on the amount earned.


    Once in the council House are they ever assessed again? If income doubled let's say or what if they won 200k on lotto?


  • #20
    Redmen6
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭Redmen6


    Filepio wrote: »
    Thanks to everyone so far with your help, any information helps. Cheers

    It’s worth making an appointment with Citizens Information, they will give you impartial and accurate advice


  • #21
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭ldy4mxonucwsq6


    Filepio wrote: »
    Could anyone tell me if I could be refused a council house if myself and partner earn too much? We've been on the list for 9 years now we also have 2 children and only recently my wife got a job which means we both work full time, would our combined wage cause problems?

    If you exceed the income limits (this varies by location and all limits are listed online) then you are no longer eligible. When you have been assessed and placed on the housing list the following applies:

    "Before offering you accommodation, the local authority must review its assessment of your application and confirm that your household still qualifies.

    Local authorities are also required to review all applications on their housing lists each year and prepare a summary report.

    They contact all households on their housing lists to confirm that they still qualify for social housing support. They also request information about income, family size and current housing conditions.

    If your circumstances change, you should tell the local authority so that it can update your household’s record".

    It's all available on citizens information site.


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  • #22
    Filepio
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭Filepio


    Sean Shy Larvae wrote: »
    If you exceed the income limits (this varies by location and all limits are listed online) then you are no longer eligible. When you have been assessed and placed on the housing list the following applies:

    "Before offering you accommodation, the local authority must review its assessment of your application and confirm that your household still qualifies.

    Local authorities are also required to review all applications on their housing lists each year and prepare a summary report.

    They contact all households on their housing lists to confirm that they still qualify for social housing support. They also request information about income, family size and current housing conditions.

    If your circumstances change, you should tell the local authority so that it can update your household’s record".

    It's all available on citizens information site.

    Thanks for that, nowhere says what the threshold is when offered a property, probably wont be housed for another few years but with everyone help so far I kinda know what to expect now... thanks again.


  • #23
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    voluntarily leaving a job while on the list should have you sent to the bottom of the list. Attending 50 job interviews and having the interviewer claim that you did make an honest and full effort to secure employment should be required to keep your place.

    In your dreams


  • #24
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Filepio wrote: »
    Thanks for that, nowhere says what the threshold is when offered a property, probably wont be housed for another few years but with everyone help so far I kinda know what to expect now... thanks again.

    Best of luck buddy. Hope something comes up for you soon.


  • #25
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Once in the council House are they ever assessed again? If income doubled let's say or what if they won 200k on lotto?

    I lived in a council house '99 to '04 assessed every year by submitting P60. My mortgage repayments were less on the home we bought in '04.


  • #26
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    In your dreams

    In my dreams getting social housing is equally as hard to get as working 40 hours a week and saving for a decade, staying out of legal trouble and avoiding substance addictions, like most people


  • #27
    guy101
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭guy101


    Filepio wrote: »
    Could anyone tell me if I could be refused a council house if myself and partner earn too much? We've been on the list for 9 years now we also have 2 children and only recently my wife got a job which means we both work full time, would our combined wage cause problems?


    Here you go.


  • #28
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,379 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I lived in a council house '99 to '04 assessed every year by submitting P60. My mortgage repayments were less on the home we bought in '04.

    Can you put some numbers on that? Did you have an unusually small mortgage?


  • #29
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    In my dreams getting social housing is equally as hard to get as working 40 hours a week and saving for a decade, staying out of legal trouble and avoiding substance addictions, like most people

    Well none of the stuff you mentioned makes sense but whatever keeps you happy.


  • #30
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users Posts: 17,375 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    I wish I could get a council house but unfortunately I’m not clever enough. I work for a living, I don’t get paid enough to buy a house but I earn too much to get one handed to me.

    What can I get OP?


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  • #31
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Can you put some numbers on that? Did you have an unusually small mortgage?

    I paid rent every week, in my last year our weekly rent was €124 ( 124×52=€537 pm), our mortgage repayments for the first two years were fixed at €510 per month.


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