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CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

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    #5732
    Refractions
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭Refractions


    I didn't see all the press conference but there seemed to be a vibe of 'look, testing/contact tracing doesnt really matter like we thought it did." There was talk of 15000 tests a day while ago, with 6-lane drive thru testing centres etc. Has there been a change of tack?


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    #5733
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,046 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Funkfield wrote: »
    Is it just me or has the standard of journalist question gone through the fcucking floor on these briefings?

    Every day they ask is there a date for when we will lift the restrictions. It's the same answer every day so why keep asking it.


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    #5734
    jobeenfitz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭jobeenfitz


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    The sh!the I'm spreading? Can you not see what's happening around Europe. Even our closest neighbour had over 900 deaths today. "Ah but sure we introduced measures earlier"... Like fcuk we did, doctors coming home from holidays and told to go into work unless they showed symptoms. Allowed to get of a plane in Dublin airport and you were free to go anywhere you want without quarantine.

    Its not your job to worry about all of Europe, Ireland, or all the ICU's. Its not your job to worry about all the people dying. You can if you want but your not helping by fretting and posting it like a maniac.

    Look after yourself and yours and for the sake of your mental health consider taking a break from virus related social media.


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    #5735
    big syke
    Registered Users Posts: 906 ✭✭✭big syke


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Maybe the news is wrong as well

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0408/1129248-dublin-mater-icu/

    That's an ICU in one hospital. And apparently that particular ICU is always approaching capacity.

    You actually post such ****e it's sickening. And it's worse that some poor souls on here will resd your ****e and pass it on as fact. Spreading misinformation and anxiety.


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    #5736
    boardise
    Registered Users Posts: 3,402 ✭✭✭boardise


    Sober Crappy Chemis wrote: »
    Trolling or naivety? Can't quite figure you out.

    Might be a clue in username .


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    #5737
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Refractions wrote: »
    I didn't see all the press conference but there seemed to be a vibe of 'look, testing/contact tracing doesnt really matter like we thought it did." There was talk of 15000 a day a while ago with 6-lane drive through testing centres etc. Has there been a change of tack?

    the mass testing strategy only works if you can deliver it. it seems like only a handful of countries were able to get their **** together fast enough to do it properly.


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    #5738
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    Funkfield wrote: »
    Is it just me or has the standard of journalist question gone through the fcucking floor on these briefings?

    It was always appalling. The CMO etc. have the patience of saints.


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    #5739
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Please! I'm sure we'd all love to hear how "mild" amounts of travel is helpful when trying to stop a killer virus spreading.

    Please continue, the floor is yours

    My God. I suppose this is an indicator of what the general population understands is going on. Crikey.


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    #5740
    JDD
    Registered Users Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭JDD


    There's hardly any point in contact tracing anymore, is there? Not until the new infections get back down to 30/40 a day and that's with a comprehensive testing program. Contact tracing is a waste of time now.

    Testing clearly isn't a waste of time but if we can't get the products and get the turnaround time down to a couple of days, perhaps it's also a waste of resources? Just get the frontline tested so that they know when they can go back to work, and wait for the antibody test, and roll that out on a comprehensive basis?


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    #5741
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    One prominent poster needs to stay away from the thread for a couple of days. Reads as someone that's losing the plot.


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    #5742
    Refractions
    Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭Refractions


    froog wrote: »
    the mass testing strategy only works if you can deliver it. it seems like only a handful of countries were able to get their **** together fast enough to do it properly.


    Maybe we won't need mass testing after all. The numbers appear to be remaining quite manageable once we can keep going with the current approach. That's the key. I was just wondering if they have quietly abandoned the strategy.


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    #5743
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,072 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Maybe the news is wrong as well

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0408/1129248-dublin-mater-icu/

    The ICU is full but the HDI isnt so they have scope to move ventilated patients into High Dependency .


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    #5744
    boardise
    Registered Users Posts: 3,402 ✭✭✭boardise


    Gynoid wrote: »
    I mean this in the best possible way. If you get too distressed by how things are, you will do no good for yourself. It is as it is. All we can each do individually is patiently wait.
    There is a great Taoist/Confucian concept called 'wu wei' and it is almost perfect for these times we are in. Doing nothing. Effortless non doing. Watchful waiting. Patient abiding.

    In 2 weeks time we will know so much more, and even more in a month. Now we cannot know or even really predict. We cannot fight against how things are.
    But we can do nothing. Peacefully.
    It is a terrible time for those who suffer badly with this virus, for those who die and their loved ones. It is a terrible time for those charged with going into battle on any front with it. All the rest of us can do is practise wu wei.

    Great post there Gyny -an adornment of the thread ...so informative and delicately toned.
    The Wu Wei concept reminds me of the Italian 'Dolce far niente' which has been a guiding principle for my 'wei' of life all through. :D


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    #5745
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    One prominent poster needs to stay away from the thread for a couple of days. Reads as someone that's losing the plot.

    To be fair the majority posting in this thread have lost the plot several weeks ago.


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    #5746
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Maybe the news is wrong as well

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0408/1129248-dublin-mater-icu/

    Oh no, I never heard all the hospitals in the country bar one closed. Must have been shut to free up cash to buy houses in Connemara for everyone in Dublin


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    #5747
    Field east
    Registered Users Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Field east


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Virgin Media News at 5.30 confirmed that 3 Dublin hospitals Mater, Beaumont and I think St. James ICU are at capacity

    Totally incorrect. You need to listen the appropriate professionals in the know and not someone with hidden agendas, who cherry pick , bias reporters , etc, etc.
    Taking the above as an example, it’s no wonder that Dr Holohan and other senior trying to overall manage the situation constantly refer to be careful where you get your information from


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    #5748
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Edwina Currie was on Sean O'Rourke this morning and saying that the Irish situation is worse per capita than the UK.
    A load of old crap Edwina.
    O'Rourke did not correct her on this. They have nearly 4 times as many deaths per capita and the only reason that we have more cases per capita is we do more testing.

    Exactly, at the end of the day it's about the people we lose and at the moment there is no comparison between the two countries. I hope I'm wrong but things are not looking good in the U.K at the moment.

    But she's typical of many Tories. She's on a programme on BBC at the moment as one of a group of "celebs" walking a trail from Belgrade to Istanbul, I never had any opinion either way about her but she doesn't come off as particularly bright on this, made me wonder how she got as far as she did but then she was a "confidante" of Major.


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    #5749
    [Deleted User]
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    Field east wrote: »
    Totally incorrect. You need to listen the appropriate professionals in the know and not someone with hidden agendas, who cherry pick , bias reporters , etc, etc.
    Taking the above as an example, it’s no wonder that Dr Holohan and other senior trying to overall manage the situation constantly refer to be careful where you get your information from

    The maters ICU is full...they've said as much

    They are adding extra capacity in the hdu,but their icu is most deffo full


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    #5750
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    I was out walking the dog around my village earlier and I got caught in a line of people doing a guard of honour for someone who had died. I don’t think they died from the virus, but even if they didn’t, the funerals are all following the same formula these days. I stood aside as the hearse passed with a solitary five or six cars behind it, as the line of people each side clapped and sobbed. It was so... up close and personal. It honestly shook me and I got emotional as I walked away from it. Off the cars went, straight from the hospital to the graveyard, not even allowed the grace of a few prayers for comfort (whether you’re a believer or not, I’m not, but I find Irish funerals beautiful)
    It was just so upsetting. And this is going to be par for the course now for anyone who finds themselves with a loss over the coming weeks/months.

    As hard as it is to say goodbye to someone, I can’t even imagine how upsetting it is to not even be given the chance to say goodbye, to process it, to celebrate them and to give them a farewell. Ah Jesus it’s just so shlt.


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    #5751
    keynes
    Registered Users Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes


    Seamai wrote: »
    I hope I'm wrong but things are not looking good in the U.K at the moment.


    But they're problem is our problem when there's open borders between both nations. We'll find this out in earnest when summer travel starts. Irish governments have never put Irish citizens first, never


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    #5752
    stephenjmcd
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The maters ICU is full...they've said as much

    They are adding extra capacity in the hdu,but their icu is most deffo full

    The maters ICU is nearly always full this isn't something new. The extra capacity being added is ICU beds in hdu and other wards. This was all covered in the press conference


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    #5753
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    jobeenfitz wrote: »
    Its not your job to worry about all of Europe, Ireland, or all the ICU's. Its not your job to worry about all the people dying. You can if you want but your not helping by fretting and posting it like a maniac.

    Look after yourself and yours and for the sake of your mental health consider taking a break from virus related social media.

    I'm sorry for caring.


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    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,072 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The maters ICU is full...they've said as much

    They are adding extra capacity in the hdu,but their icu is most deffo full

    There is absolutely no problem as they can use the HDU for ventilated patients
    The forward planning is working and hospitals had these measures ready


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    #5755
    holyhead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭holyhead


    retro:electro wrote: »
    I was out walking the dog around my village earlier and I got caught in a line of people doing a guard of honour for someone who had died.

    It speaks well for us as a people and country that we do this.


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    #5756
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,753 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    ECDC "In the absence of a vaccine, physical distancing measures of some kind will therefore need to remain in place for at least some months, in order to ensure that demand for healthcare does not exceed availability." https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/rapid-risk-assessment-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-pandemic-eighth-update

    *sigh*


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    #5757
    KerryConnor
    Registered Users Posts: 149 ✭✭KerryConnor


    Would anyone have an opinion when travel restrictions will be lifted? Waiting to go collect a puppy.


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    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Current EU thinking - from Guardian feed @17.26 There'll be a paper on it soon.
    The European commission has advised EU member states to extend restrictions on non-essential travel until 15 May but is preparing to issue a “roadmap” on a coordinated lifting of Europe’s lockdown, Daniel Boffey, the Guardian’s Brussels bureau chief, reports.


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    #5759
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    KerryConnor wrote: »
    Would anyone have an opinion when travel restrictions will be lifted? Waiting to go collect a puppy.
    If you mean the 2km, I'd guess by the end of the month.


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    #5760
    OneEightSeven
    Registered Users Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven


    KerryConnor wrote: »
    Would anyone have an opinion when travel restrictions will be lifted? Waiting to go collect a puppy.
    Your puppy will be a dog by the time the restrictions are lifted.


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    #5761
    blackcard
    Registered Users Posts: 3,856 ✭✭✭blackcard


    JDD wrote: »
    Okay so back to figures.

    So we can't rely on number of new positives as an indication of how well we are doing at social distancing/isolation/cocooning as a country. New positives are completely a product of how many tests results you are issuing, and we all know our issues there. Suffice to say that the 365 today is test results for people who took a test two weeks ago. And most of those people would have only taken the test a couple of days after symptoms showed up, and the average incubation period is five days. So the new cases today are people who got infected in or around the first weekend after the schools closed (14/15 March), and possible before that.

    Number of deaths is a slightly better indicator, though it appears that our handling of infections in nursing homes is resulting in an unforeseen increase in our death rate. It would be much more informative if we knew how many of the deaths so far were of people who were not in a nursing home setting. That would give a better indicator of community transmission the population at large. But as far as I can see that figure is not available, and therefore the death rate is also not a great indicator.

    ICU figures suffer from the same issue.

    So is there any statistical figures that can be relied upon to give an indication of whether we are going up or plateauing?

    I agree, the HSE should provide a breakdown of the number of deaths that occurred in residential care and nursing homes compared to hospitals and the general community. Obviously, the HSE have these figures and it is informing their use of resources.

    However if the rest of us had these figures, I think that it would be beneficial. If a high number of deaths were associated with nursing homes and the remaining deaths were low, we might know that the present lockdown measures were working and would boost morale to be able to deal with an extension of the lockdown. If the deaths in hospitals was high, we would know that we have to be more rigid with the lockdown.

    The only reasons for not giving us the breakdown may be that the low level of testing and the fact that we are relatively early in the lockdown could lead to the general public jumping to the wrong conclusion and thinking that we could relax restrictions too early.

    It could also be that if we knew that there are a high level of deaths in nursing homes, it could cause people with family in nursing homes to panic. I think however that we are mature enough to receive the actual position and act appropriately.


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