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The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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  • #7142
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Enzokk wrote: »

    In fairness to Cummings he only broke the rules/guidance. .

    It's a lot more than that though. He was very involved in deciding on those rules and guidelines and the ongoing messages of what people should and are allowed to do.

    The other 2 that had to resign their positions can claim that sort of stance, but hes about as close as you can get to being the architect of the rules.

    There a certain few people who need to be above reproach through all steps ofthe covid-19 situation . Senior Tory MP's , arguably all Tory MP's and most certainly him.

    The only time any of these people should have been stepping foot outside their homes is on important government business that they cant do from home, and if they have no choice but to get themselves to hospital. Everything else should be an air tight case of lead by example.
    They should have been getting their food delivered securely and doing the bare minimum of going out for exercise, not even using the full amount allowed, in an effort to show that it can be done and they're going through it the same as the people.


  • #7143
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    It is unfathomable to me now badly Johnson has misjudged this. The only way that this does not permanently damage him is if he cuts Cummings loose before the next press conference

    If this were anyone else, I would feel sorry for them.....it can’t be nice to have your neighbours heckling you. But Cummings is a poisonous man


  • #7144
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Don't go in for personal comment usually but you're right, Cummings seems to be the personification of odious.


  • #7145
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,644 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    This sums it up perfectly

    https://twitter.com/GlennWool/status/1264605020940570629?s=19


  • #7146
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    https://twitter.com/LettersOfNote/status/1094970662828101632


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  • #7147
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,644 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    They also now face the very real possibility of the courts being swamped with 14000 appeals for quarantine related fines

    https://bylinetimes.com/2020/05/24/14000-brits-could-now-appeal-lockdown-fines-thanks-to-dominic-cummings/


  • #7148
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    VinLieger wrote: »
    This sums it up perfectly

    https://twitter.com/GlennWool/status/1264605020940570629?s=19

    I love Glenn Wool. And anyone who doesn't know him, should.


  • #7149
    weemcd
    Registered Users Posts: 6,410 ✭✭✭weemcd


    VinLieger wrote: »
    They also now face the very real possibility of the courts being swamped with 14000 appeals for quarantine related fines

    https://bylinetimes.com/2020/05/24/14000-brits-could-now-appeal-lockdown-fines-thanks-to-dominic-cummings/

    And rightly so. I don't agree with people breaking lockdown, the rules were clear. But when the flagrant double standard messages like what we're seeing today come to light, it's clear it's one rule for us and one rule for them.


  • #7150
    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,268 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Enzokk wrote: »

    The joke of this all is, had they come out and said when asked that he had made a mistake but he was worried about his son and who will look after him it would have made some headlines but would have been over by now.


    One would have to be born yesterday to believe that. The idea that those in the Guardian and The Mirror were merely looking for an apology after sitting on the story for a few weeks and unleashing it in drabs for effect would have then said okay we forgive you, lets move on...not even in a parallel universe would that happen. If he did actually apologie they'd be disappointed.


  • #7151
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    It's spectacular to watch the backlash.

    https://twitter.com/PCollinsTimes/status/1264592894612123649

    Above all though, I'm amazed at the Daily Mail. They called the PM a coward!! Front page!! It really couldn't happen to a more deserving man, but wow what a turn around.

    Worst Tory government ever + Brexit + Covid19 does not a pretty picture make. It's absolute chaos there now. Starmer will soon be the saviour.

    A normal, decent bloke with his head on shoulders. Not particularly interesting or charismatic, but normal.

    The UK population were promised the moon and the stars with Brexit, and they returned a thunping majority to hammer it through. As it is now painfully obvious to any but the most braindead, Brexit is a stinking mess, and the UK population were taken for mugs. Well, its delightful to see that Covid has woken so many from their stupor. They could accept Nationalist Brexit lies, but Covid lies are too much.


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  • #7152
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    AllForIt wrote: »
    One would have to be born yesterday to believe that. The idea that those in the Guardian and The Mirror were merely looking for an apology after sitting on the story for a few weeks and unleashing it in drabs for effect would have then said okay we forgive you, lets move on...not even in a parallel universe would that happen. If he did actually apologie they'd be disappointed.

    Sorry, it's not just the Guardian and the Mirror weighing in is it? Will you still buy the Daily Mail?


  • #7153
    maebee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭maebee


    My take on it is the same as to Enzokk's. BJ et al all knew and now know that Cummings broke their own rules. Today they tried to massage the rules in Cumming's favour. Stupid tactic. The rules were there in print and on video. Couldn't have been clearer. "If you have symptoms, do not travel anywhere. Full stop.

    BJ should have come out today and said something like "Dominic was spooked/shocked/panicked/whatever, at the news that his wife was ill with Corona symptoms. (the day he raced out of No. 10), packed his family up and went to Durham. He made a mistake. He, and we are desperately sorry about this etc. The rules are there for everyone".

    BJ and Cummings should have put their hands up. Big mistake in not doing so. They have angered their population who abided by their rules and suffered as a result.

    Never thought I'd say it but the UK is a basket case right now.


  • #7154
    Mike3287
    Closed Accounts Posts: 379 ✭✭Mike3287


    When will we get pics of him getting a snickers and haribo in the petrol station?

    Had to have stopped for a coffee on his 400km one leg journey


  • #7155
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    maebee wrote: »
    My take on it is the same as to Enzokk's. BJ et al all knew and now know that Cummings broke their own rules. Today they tried to massage the rules in Cumming's favour. Stupid tactic. The rules were there in print and on video. Couldn't have been clearer. "If you have symptoms, do not travel anywhere. Full stop.

    BJ should have come out today and said something like "Dominic was spooked/shocked/panicked/whatever, at the news that his wife was ill with Corona symptoms. (the day he raced out of No. 10), packed his family up and went to Durham. He made a mistake. He, and we are desperately sorry about this etc. The rules are there for everyone".

    BJ and Cummings should have put their hands up. Big mistake in not doing so. They have angered their population who abided by their rules and suffered as a result.

    Never thought I'd say it but the UK is a basket case right now.

    I agree with your post except the last sentence. The UK has been a basket case for about 5 years now.


  • #7156
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    How the **** can they open schools on June 1st?


  • #7157
    maebee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭maebee


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    How the **** can they open schools on June 1st?

    The "Opening schools on June the 1st" is the dead cat


  • #7158
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Cummings spent all afternoon in Downing Street cultivating the narrative.

    The man is beyond diluded that he thought they can weather it. What is more concerning is the inability of Boris to think for himself and anticipate how this strategy was going to play out.

    Cummings absolutely controls Boris who is spellbound by DC's past achievements. A very weakened limp Prime Minister in charge today.


  • #7159
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Mike3287 wrote: »
    When will we get pics of him getting a snickers and haribo in the petrol station?

    Had to have stopped for a coffee on his 400km one leg journey

    Been a totally surreal day. From Grant Shapps "won't somebody ask me about the A66" this morning to the announcement that the pm was finally swinging into action to "nip the story in the bud" for once and for all and then that train wreck of a briefing!

    And not forgetting the multiple sightings of cummings oop north on not one but two further occasions, details of which may emerge in the coming days.

    Had Cummings a shred of honour and taken his due punishment there could have been some damage limitation but no chance now. Johnson authority shredded, tory party fractured, any semblance of trust remaining well and truly gone. Worst of all, they've pretty much fcked the lockdown. How can a cop in all conscience go out tomorrow and get tough on anyone tweaking regulations? They'd be laughed at and that's entirely a Johnson/Cummings joint production.


  • #7160
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Water John wrote: »
    If Boris has lost the Daily Mail, Cummings is toast. Really poor call today, Boris has few to trust actually, without his attack dog.That governed his decision. He'll be weakened.

    The Daily Mails readership is about 1m per day. The Conservatives got 14m votes in the last election. Even if they managed to convince all 1m readers to vote Labour in 2024 over something that will be forgotten about next week, it will still be irrelevant.


  • #7161
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 17,977 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    How the **** can they open schools on June 1st?

    I read that pressure for this is coming from the Chancellor.


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  • #7162
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    The Daily Mails readership is about 1m per day. The Conservatives got 14m votes in the last election. Even if they managed to convince all 1m readers to vote Labour in 2024 over something that will be forgotten about next week, it will still be irrelevant.
    A 7% swing to Labour from the tories would make all the difference in a general election.


  • #7163
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,063 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    How the **** can they open schools on June 1st?

    Please don't have them change tack on the schools. I need them to reopen.

    Think far more damage will be done by the rest of the population not paying as much attention to social distancing in the rest of their day than by a handful of kids going back to schools and washing their hands loads whilst sat 2m apart from each other.


  • #7164
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users Posts: 6,143 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    Williamson education secretary on sky news now repeating ad nauseum that BJ met with DC and he is happy with that. Another rabbit in the headlights interview. You can even see he knows he is defending the indefensible.


  • #7165
    Mushy
    Registered Users Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    Williamson on Sky now saying it should be expected that somebody would definitely be telling the truth to the PM. Surely nobody can believe that, not even himself


  • #7166
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,063 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Mushy wrote: »
    Williamson on Sky now saying it should be expected that somebody would definitely be telling the truth to the PM. Surely nobody can believe that, not even himself

    Like how you'd expect that the PM would tell the truth to their monarch presumably?


  • #7167
    Roger_007
    Registered Users Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Mushy wrote: »
    Williamson on Sky now saying it should be expected that somebody would definitely be telling the truth to the PM. Surely nobody can believe that, not even himself

    He’s being very clever/cowardly about what he says. He is very pointedly saying that whatever story Boris is putting out, it was cooked up between Cummings and Boris and nothing to do with him.
    He is not throwing Cummings under a bus, he’s actually throwing Boris under a bus.


  • #7168
    Enzokk
    Registered Users Posts: 5,558 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    AllForIt wrote: »
    One would have to be born yesterday to believe that. The idea that those in the Guardian and The Mirror were merely looking for an apology after sitting on the story for a few weeks and unleashing it in drabs for effect would have then said okay we forgive you, lets move on...not even in a parallel universe would that happen. If he did actually apologie they'd be disappointed.


    No, not in May. They had the story in April when it happened and they asked for a comment from No.10 and they declined to comment. If the story about his child was true in April and they came out with the "truth" at that time, it would have been done already. There wouldn't have been this backlash as he would not have gone out to Barnard Castle as he would have known they eyes of the press would have been on him and no second breach.

    But for me the story about the child was put forward because they thought it would give them the cover. The fact it is a lie means it unraveled almost from the start under even the flimsiest of questioning. Let us remember they went to his parents place to be close to his parents. First unravel, the parents are over 70 so they were putting them in danger.

    Second lie added, it wasn't the parents but they went to be close to his sister who did all the shopping for them but they were in isolation for the recommended time. Sighting in another town before the 14 day period is up apparently.

    So yeah, had the truth been the story about the child and had they been truthful from the start, there would not have been this furore. Keir Starmer was just newly elected and the feeling at that time was we were all in it together still. But you keep telling yourself this is nothing more than the liberal lefty media making a fuss about nothing if it makes you feel better.

    You still haven't answered even though you have had a lot to say about the topic since, do you think it was right of him to break the isolation rules and guidelines?

    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    The Daily Mails readership is about 1m per day. The Conservatives got 14m votes in the last election. Even if they managed to convince all 1m readers to vote Labour in 2024 over something that will be forgotten about next week, it will still be irrelevant.


    Another child of summer, for the Daily Mail and the Sun it isn't all about their readership but the headline that people see when they go about their daily business or it is shared around. The reach of people seeing the headline only and not the story is massive and it has just as much of a impact if not more than the story itself I think.


    Gavin Williamson is another idiot putting himself in a difficult position. Did he just say on Sky that he believed that Cummings acted lawfully because Cummings told the PM he acted within the law? Does Williamson think Cummings is the arbitrator of what is legal now? Think before you speak.


  • #7169
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    I agree with your post except the last sentence. The UK has been a basket case for about 5 years now.

    I’ve been watching reruns of the 2012 olympics in the last few days, including those amazing montages that Eddie Butler narrated. I was living in London that summer, and it makes me really genuinely sad to see what has happened to the UK since then. It is a different place


  • #7170
    theteal
    Registered Users Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭theteal


    A snippet from our local "political" group attached. Id love say this was an isolated opinion but it's far from it in this little bastion of Tory worship. There is no hope


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  • #7171
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users Posts: 36,099 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I’ve been watching reruns of the 2012 olympics in the last few days, including those amazing montages that Eddie Butler narrated. I was living in London that summer, and it makes me really genuinely sad to see what has happened to the UK since then. It is a different place

    That’s a decent reference point. I attended some events that summer and it was quite the experience: commuting on excellent public transport to gleaming venues that were well laid out; enjoying some decent food; heading home with volunteers lining the route bidding spectators goodbye and goodnight. It was quite the show.

    Unfortunately the rot was setting in by then. Austerity was biting hard and unevenly, alienating thousands more with each cut. The distrust of Iraq and the expenses scandal was left to linger; and social media and the Internet was opening up a new conversation that was at odds with the centre aligned suits of Cameron, Clegg and Miliband.

    brickster and AllForIt exemplify the attitude that Cummings stokes and embodies. Say anything, ignore inconvenient truths or questions, apologise for nothing, and make it simply about winning and losing - preferably expressed as a slogan.

    The most dangerous aspect of course is the denial or reshaping of truth. Cummings’ leave campaign and general election campaigns have taken the reshaping of truth to new frontiers in British politics. Johnson has directly benefited from this sophistry first hand, and is therefore unwilling to lose it. It seems ridiculous for him to stand up infront of the nation ignoring questions, muting journalists from attempting clarifications and trying to label some of the transgressions as “fake news”. But then again, these are the people who sat in a ‘£350m to the NHS’ or pushed social media ads that indicated Turkey was joining the EU. And more recently, Dominic Cummings is a man caught talking about a mass cull of older age brackets in the U.K. What is right is an irrelevancy to these scumbags. They have no shame.


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