Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings

hamburgham · 25-05-2020 1:34pm

ixoy wrote: »

Tony is a specialist. There are others too. And so we can ask Tony, as a specialist, why he is saying 2m when other specialists are saying 1.5m and I'm sure he can clearly outline why in layman's terms if necessary.

Tony is an administrator. How long is it since he actually practiced medicine. I would also hazard a guess that high flyers in medicine do not go into administration.

Wikipedia

Holohan graduated from medical school at University College Dublin in 1991.[1] After training in general practice, he also trained in public health medicine, graduating with a Masters in Public Health (MPH) in 1996. Holohan was appointed Deputy Chief Medical Officer in 2001, followed by promotion to Chief Medical Officer in December 2008.[8][9][10][11]
Holohan holds a diploma in healthcare management from the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland. He is a member of the Irish College of General Practitioners (MICGP) and is a Fellow of the Faculty of Public Health Medicine of the Royal College of Physicians of Ireland (FFPHMI).[12]

Blaze420 · 25-05-2020 1:44pm

Who cares if it was him in the park? Gatherings of 4 are allowed now aren't they? Some people just love a ****ing whinge.

KrustyUCC · 25-05-2020 1:50pm

I'm not a Leo fan but that story is much ado about nothing

FishOnABike · 25-05-2020 2:22pm

alta stare wrote: »

Each week i travel about 320km to collect and drop off my daughter. No travel restriction is going to stop me from doing so nor have the Gardai at any checkpoint iv come across. I'm amazed at the amount of people who have stopped taking their kids just because they think they cannot travel. Some kids are missing on out having much needed interactions with both parents because of this stupid travel restriction when there is no need. Anyone parent who has to travel to see their kids can do so irrespective of what the travel limit is. Doing so is far more important than ahereing to some rediculous restriction.

The sooner it is done away with the better as it means those people in fear of meeting a checkpoint can finally go out and see their families.

Child access has always been one of the exceptions allowed to the travel restrictions.

plodder · 25-05-2020 2:31pm

Gerry Killeen was on Pat Kenny today. I found the conversation not very enlightening. A lot of vague generalities and home spun advice rather than discussion of the science. eg 1 metre versus 2 metre physical distancing - why can't you stand further back and talk louder? That's not going to inform policy decisions on how to re-open the economy. He also pointed out that case figures are serious underestimated, and the only figure that matters is zero, but no doubt or discussion about how we know we are at zero, or how to keep it at zero. Disappointing.

manniot2 · 25-05-2020 2:33pm

I just spoke to someone who works in a facility in Dublin that educates and looks after people with disabilities including blind people. The HSE will not let the facility re-open due to Covid. Many of the people are left at home with parents in their 80s who cannot deal with their needs. This is absolutely scandalous, whatever about our economy, the social problems are building up and many are facing catastrophe.

stephenjmcd · 25-05-2020 2:39pm

plodder wrote: »

Gerry Killeen was on Pat Kenny today. I found the conversation not very enlightening. A lot of vague generalities and home spun advice rather than discussion of the science. eg 1 metre versus 2 metre physical distancing - why can't you stand further back and talk louder? That's not going to inform policy decisions on how to re-open the economy. He also pointed out that case figures are serious underestimated, and the only figure that matters is zero, but no doubt or discussion about how we know we are at zero, or how to keep it at zero. Disappointing.

He was on rte this morning, would safely discard anything he says. He's living in the clouds, just look at what he's said previously, out of touch completely.

No idea how he gets airtime still nationally when all he does is scare the people that listen to it with his ramblings

average_runner · 25-05-2020 2:54pm

plodder wrote: »

Gerry Killeen was on Pat Kenny today. I found the conversation not very enlightening. A lot of vague generalities and home spun advice rather than discussion of the science. eg 1 metre versus 2 metre physical distancing - why can't you stand further back and talk louder? That's not going to inform policy decisions on how to re-open the economy. He also pointed out that case figures are serious underestimated, and the only figure that matters is zero, but no doubt or discussion about how we know we are at zero, or how to keep it at zero. Disappointing.

Dont stand to far back and shout https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/why-do-some-covid-19-patients-infect-many-others-whereas-most-don-t-spread-virus-all

Ginger n Lemon · 25-05-2020 2:59pm

average_runner wrote: »

Dont stand to far back and shout https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/why-do-some-covid-19-patients-infect-many-others-whereas-most-don-t-spread-virus-all

And dont go to Zumba classes no matter what

"lists an outbreak in a dormitory for migrant workers in Singapore linked to almost 800 cases; 80 infections tied to live music venues in Osaka, Japan; and a cluster of 65 cases resulting from Zumba classes in South Korea"

KrustyUCC · 25-05-2020 3:01pm

He's mad

Keeping existing restrictions for another two to four months

Yeah great plan Professor

Keeping borrowing more money and keep businesses closed

Have people not being able to see friends, family, partners for another two to four months

That will be great for peoples mental health but it will 'crush' the curve

plodder · 25-05-2020 3:06pm

average_runner wrote: »

Dont stand to far back and shout https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/why-do-some-covid-19-patients-infect-many-others-whereas-most-don-t-spread-virus-all

Good point. Someone was telling me this morning that the risk of infection indoors has a lot to do with the amount of talking going on. Choir practice, standing close together and singing has to be off the scale. Maybe call centres are risky too because the people are yapping on the phone the whole time. And maybe, it's why there has been so few cases in supermarkets because people are not talking to each other (and why it's a good idea that only one person from each household does the shopping). I think we need to get more discerning about the relative risks of different indoor environments and maybe treat them differently.

wakka12 · 25-05-2020 3:17pm

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-05-25-20-intl/h_5ba03c0d8f2124164ca3923493eef3dd

Angry crowds in the Brazilian capital shout 'killer' at president

the kelt · 25-05-2020 3:19pm

Blaze420 wrote: »

Who cares if it was him in the park? Gatherings of 4 are allowed now aren't they? Some people just love a ****ing whinge.

Yeah i agree.

If it is him i actually think its a bloody positive that hes out and about himself and effectively trying to do normal things.

Maybe if people see him out and about in a park, with other people and none the bloody worse for it, it might get them to recalibrate their compass from "oh my god we are all going to die or kill people if we try to do normal things" to "oh ok, maybe its ok"

Good luck to him, now lets move to more normal quicker please!

[Deleted User] · 25-05-2020 3:20pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

He was on rte this morning, would safely discard anything he says. He's living in the clouds, just look at what he's said previously, out of touch completely.

No idea how he gets airtime still nationally when all he does is scare the people that listen to it with his ramblings

Because Pat Kenny is a fearmonger who would be happy if we locked down forever. He cant stop going on about 'plumes' of COVID

Ginger n Lemon · 25-05-2020 3:26pm

wakka12 wrote: »

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-05-25-20-intl/h_5ba03c0d8f2124164ca3923493eef3dd

Angry crowds in the Brazilian capital shout 'killer' at president

Theres a video top right of your link that was talking about Americans "flocking" to beaches

So i googled it

"'If I get corona, I get corona': Thousands flock to Florida beaches, ignoring COVID-19 concerns"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njbn5ZAfnJg

0:04 of the video is amazing. Talk about jealous

at 0:33 you can see 0 social distancing and less than 1 metre or so between reporters. 0 masks...... what the hell is this

alta stare · 25-05-2020 3:30pm

dalyboy wrote: »

I’m in your shoes too regarding my kids. I travelled daily 30km round trip Monday to Friday ever since this started. I never met a Garda road block but if I did I’d just ask them where in legislation does it say kids should not be allowed to see their Father. Their well being is my number one job full stop. I’ve a cousin who does the opposite. He’s too busy being scared and lying under his bed in the fetal position suckling off whatever BS the government or RTÉ fear mongers to him. He hasn’t seen his daughter since the 30th of March. A lot of people need to understand the word “priority”

Good stuff I applaud anyone who takes your stance. I feel sad for those who choose to let fear override their own desire to spend time with their own kids.

boring accountant · 25-05-2020 3:32pm

I’ve no problem in principle with the Taoiseach drinking in the park but it does have an air of fiddling while Rome burns.

Ginger n Lemon · 25-05-2020 3:37pm

More good news coming out

"A meat processing plant in Co Waterford that produces approximately 400 million burgers a year for McDonalds, has today resumed production.

With the fast food giant starting to open up restaurants again across Europe, workers at the Dawn Meats processing facility at Carrolls Cross, have recommenced patty production after a two-month gap."

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/dawn-meats-reopens-plant-supplying-mcdonalds-burgers-1.4261874?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Fagribusiness-and-food%2Fdawn-meats-reopens-plant-supplying-mcdonalds-burgers-1.4261874

Need to keep this momentum going

GooglePlus · 25-05-2020 3:40pm

boring accountant wrote: »

I’ve no problem in principle with the Taoiseach drinking in the park but it does have an air of fiddling while Rome burns.

He's just as entitled to do it as anyone else but of course the mob will come out in force.

YFlyer · 25-05-2020 3:41pm

ixoy wrote: »

Well that comes with an expense but with a stall you don't need to be known - having your wares on display will get a lot more attention than having people trying to search for you.

I mean what's wrong with an open-air market once precautions are in place?

Of course if precautions are in place.

A virtual market be nice where you walk through with the aid of the mouse where you can view items and purchase them. It can be significantly larger than the real market.

alta stare · 25-05-2020 3:43pm

FishOnABike wrote: »

Child access has always been one of the exceptions allowed to the travel restrictions.

I know but the problem is those who think it isnt allowed and that includes some of the Gardai.

Stark · 25-05-2020 3:45pm

boring accountant wrote: »

I’ve no problem in principle with the Taoiseach drinking in the park but it does have an air of fiddling while Rome burns.

Everyone is entitled to have a break.

The transmission situation is under control at the moment. The situation that isn't under control is the economic collapse situation which funnily enough is going take growing a pair of balls and standing up against exactly the sort of hysteria on demonstration here to resolve.

MrDavid1976 · 25-05-2020 3:45pm

YFlyer wrote: »

Of course if precautions are in place.

A virtual market be nice where you walk through with the aid of the mouse where you can view items and purchase them. It can be significantly larger than the real market.

And then the drone delivers to your door - no need to engage with anyone at all.

Meanwhile I will be down in the real market. And maybe for fun I might get a sling shot and shoot down those drones....

average_runner · 25-05-2020 3:48pm

boring accountant wrote: »

I’ve no problem in principle with the Taoiseach drinking in the park but it does have an air of fiddling while Rome burns.

So he isn't allowed a day off now ? Everyone is allowed down time.

We are always talking about mental health and breaks are very important for that, or are we all talk here???

MrDavid1976 · 25-05-2020 3:50pm

Stark wrote: »

Everyone is entitled to have a break.

The transmission situation is under control at the moment. The situation that isn't under control is the economic collapse situation which funnily enough is going take growing a pair of balls and standing up against exactly the sort of hysteria on demonstration here to resolve.

I presume you are referring to the keep the lockdown until there is a proven vaccine hysteria.

average_runner · 25-05-2020 3:51pm

Stark wrote: »

Everyone is entitled to have a break.

The transmission situation is under control at the moment. The situation that isn't under control is the economic collapse situation which funnily enough is going take growing a pair of balls and standing up against exactly the sort of hysteria on demonstration here to resolve.

Economy will recover, it always does. DIY/bike shops are buzzing right now.
We will bounce back, of course there is casualties in business terms but thats evolution

RobitTV · 25-05-2020 3:52pm

Coronavirus 'disappearing' so fast Oxford vaccine has 'only 50% chance of working'

There is only a 50% chance of the Oxford coronavirus vaccine working because cases in the UK are declining so fast, one of the scientists behind it has warned.

Ginger n Lemon · 25-05-2020 3:54pm

average_runner wrote: »

Economy will recover, it always does. DIY/bike shops are buzzing right now.
We will bounce back, of course there is casualties in business terms but thats evolution

Darwin is it you?

Great article RE covid disappearing. it genuinely has ran out of steam big time, Brazil feels like the only place on the planet (+South korean nightclubs) where covid still lingers

average_runner · 25-05-2020 3:56pm

RobitTV wrote: »

Coronavirus 'disappearing' so fast Oxford vaccine has 'only 50% chance of working'

There is only a 50% chance of the Oxford coronavirus vaccine working because cases in the UK are declining so fast, one of the scientists behind it has warned.

Can further the test in South America ? Just thinking outside the box like

stephenjmcd · 25-05-2020 3:58pm

RobitTV wrote: »

Coronavirus 'disappearing' so fast Oxford vaccine has 'only 50% chance of working'

There is only a 50% chance of the Oxford coronavirus vaccine working because cases in the UK are declining so fast, one of the scientists behind it has warned.

This is the problem, it looks like in most countries regardless of restrictions it seems to stagnate and then go down in terms of case numbers, is it simply burning out? Who knows. But in terms of vaccine development it's not good, can't test a vaccine if nobody is getting infected

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings