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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #7652
    uli84
    Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭uli84


    Tony Holohan on the 2m versus 1m debate: 'For the moment, two metres is a reasonable compromise'

    “Compromise” - No comments haha


  • #7653
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    They are slowly preparing us now for social distancing to be reduced to 1 meter.

    This is quite clearly only for a number of reasons - so the hse can function and not have to make 2 meters between each bed and so the beds and restaurants can re open.

    Disgraceful

    The official WHO advice is 1 metre- the 2 metre thing is Tony’s own idea based on that. It needs to be reduced for public transport to function at some level, for restaurants etc to be able to function at some level and for a restart of some sort of normality in the economy.

    The only disgraceful thing is misery merchants like you who just wish we could all go back to the good old days of March and stay there.


  • #7654
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    But you are not under lock and key, this is being done to maintain the safety of people from an unknown disease, we are getting out of restrictions gradually and will be fine soon

    No we are not? How do you think we are getting out of restrictions soon if we cannot travel more than 20km until 20th July? Do you realise how restrictive and soul destroying this is on populations outside Dublin? Families being kept separated? People are becoming ill with loneliness and isolation...We aren't even into the month of June...


  • #7655
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    RobitTV wrote: »
    '24% say Ireland returning to normal much/a bit too quickly'

    Give these people a free trip to the local hospital. Wow.

    Probably mostly consists of hypochondriacs and people on covid payment higher than their original pay grade

    Still 1 in 4 saying we are easing restrictions too quickly is pretty mind blowing


  • #7656
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    They are slowly preparing us now for social distancing to be reduced to 1 meter.

    This is quite clearly only for a number of reasons - so the hse can function and not have to make 2 meters between each bed and so the beds and restaurants can re open.

    Disgraceful

    That is disgraceful.

    It should be reduced to 0.5m.


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  • #7657
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    But you are not under lock and key, this is being done to maintain the safety of people from an unknown disease, we are getting out of restrictions gradually and will be fine soon

    Until flu season comes next winter and they lock the whole thing down again


  • #7658
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    They are slowly preparing us now for social distancing to be reduced to 1 meter.

    This is quite clearly only for a number of reasons - so the hse can function and not have to make 2 meters between each bed and so the beds and restaurants can re open.

    Disgraceful

    I think it was Navarro from WHO who gave a good explanation. 2 meters removes 99% of opportunities for infection if you encounter someone with the virus.
    1 metre will remove 70%.
    99% when there are only a small number of cases and low to zero community transmission is overkill. With 1 meter and a low level of cases you probably have a lower risk of catching the virus than with 2 meters and a large number of community cases


  • #7659
    Stark
    Registered Users Posts: 20,886 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    No we are not? How do you think we are getting out of restrictions soon if we cannot travel more than 20km until 20th July? Do you realise how restrictive and soul destroying this is on populations outside Dublin? Families being kept separated? People are becoming ill with loneliness and isolation...We aren't even into the month of June...

    This. The one thing I'm counting down the days till (well that and a haircut) and it's not till phase 4.


  • #7660
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    They are slowly preparing us now for social distancing to be reduced to 1 meter.

    This is quite clearly only for a number of reasons - so the hse can function and not have to make 2 meters between each bed and so the beds and restaurants can re open.

    Disgraceful
    It not mandatory . You can stay 15 metres from others if you wish


  • #7661
    giveitholly
    Registered Users Posts: 5,535 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Until flu season comes next winter and they lock the whole thing down again

    At the rate we are opening up we will hardly be out of lockdown and we will have to introduce the restrictions again if this second wave comes


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  • #7662
    Emmersonn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Emmersonn


    Another expert with another opinion
    https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/cork-disease-expert-says-lockdown-18306802


  • #7663
    prunudo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,001 ✭✭✭prunudo


    brendanwalsh wrote: »
    They are slowly preparing us now for social distancing to be reduced to 1 meter.

    This is quite clearly only for a number of reasons - so the hse can function and not have to make 2 meters between each bed and so the beds and restaurants can re open.

    Disgraceful

    Why is it disgraceful. Because they're opening too quick? Changing the goal posts? Making it up as they go along? Or making the rules to suit whatever the agenda of the day is?


  • #7664
    RobitTV
    Registered Users Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭RobitTV


    Here we go the misery merchants are back. Yawn...


  • #7665
    Arghus
    Registered Users Posts: 14,320 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    snowcat wrote: »
    Could we not skip that and look at other countries that have done this long before us?

    I think phase 1 is the most crucial phase. Just after you've tried to crudely tried to smash the transmission rate of the virus. It's not a time to be over confident.

    Other countries are ahead, in some cases, relative to ourselves because they had peaks earlier than ours - three to four weeks in most cases, even earlier in some cases, so it stands to reason that they'll be ahead of us in terms of coming down the other side. What measures are appropriate for each country aren't identical at all times across the board.

    And also another reason why some countries feel a bit more confident now is that their containment measures were a good deal more thorough and long-lasting than ours. We were pretty stringent here, but France, Spain, Italy etc were all much stricter and more drawn out affairs than ourselves.

    Also it is still really early days everywhere and no-one has just completely thrown restrictions aside: everyone who was under some form of restrictions is still living under some form of restrictive measures. It's to early to say that just because country A has done such a thing that we should immediately follow their lead.

    We also have certain disadvantages that other jurisdictions don't share. We're right beside and share a busy land border with a country with the worst outbreak in Europe. We had quite a bad outbreak really when you look at the numbers. Some people were worse off than us - Belgium, The Netherlands, The UK, Spain, Italy - but we have had an above average amount of cases and deaths compared to many other countries worldwide. And also our health system remains one of the worst funded, worst equipped and potentially least capable to handle a second surge in all of Europe.

    I think get through phase 1. Look at the data, assess what's going on elsewhere and if the coast is clear then accelerate the process. I'd be 99.9% confident that's what will happen, despite all the ranting and raving that goes on in here.


  • #7666
    Arghus
    Registered Users Posts: 14,320 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    No we are not? How do you think we are getting out of restrictions soon if we cannot travel more than 20km until 20th July? Do you realise how restrictive and soul destroying this is on populations outside Dublin? Families being kept separated? People are becoming ill with loneliness and isolation...We aren't even into the month of June...

    Ah, yeah, but to say we're "under lock and key" is clearly an exaggeration. It implies that we're more or less locked up inside all day, every day - which isn't the case.

    You can go outside. You can meet people. You can exercise as much as want, theoretically you can travel as far as you want to visit the shops. More and more shops and businesses are open to the public now. And you can travel as far as you want to provide care to a vulnerable person - if you are concerned about someone's well being you can visit them.


  • #7667
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    I think we need to appreciate that 100,000 construction workers went back to work over 7 days ago. Woodies, B&Q all of the hardware stores, all opened up.

    Rise in cases? No. None.

    Whats with all the fear of accelerating opening the country? Did people get some indicators to be fearful about recently? (other than UCC professor who wants 4 more months of strict lockdown)

    We saw 200+ Brazilian people at Sutton beach last week, breaking all the social distancing rules they could...

    Whether you are pro lockdown or anti lockdown or participate in silly polls and say that country is heading for 2nd wave if we lift restrictions too soon, you'd struggle to justify another day of lockdown without using some quotes from Gerry Killeen and at that stage you know your are talking rubbish.


  • #7668
    MrDavid1976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭MrDavid1976


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I think it was Navarro from WHO who gave a good explanation. 2 meters removes 99% of opportunities for infection if you encounter someone with the virus.
    1 metre will remove 70%.
    99% when there are only a small number of cases and low to zero community transmission is overkill. With 1 meter and a low level of cases you probably have a lower risk of catching the virus than with 2 meters and a large number of community cases

    And that is without people self isolating of showing symptoms and wearing of masks.


  • #7669
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Emmersonn wrote: »
    Another expert with another opinion
    https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/cork-disease-expert-says-lockdown-18306802

    Imagine


  • #7670
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    giveitholly wrote: »
    At the rate we are opening up we will hardly be out of lockdown and we will have to introduce the restrictions again if this second wave comes

    Yeah thats what I was thinking as well.


  • #7671
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    PS update on our testing capacity

    "Meanwhile, HSE chief Paul Reid has said that about 98% of tests for Covid-19 come back negative.

    Yesterday Mr Reid said almost 310,000 tests were completed and 35,000 swab tests had been done last week.

    It now took two days or less to return test results, with a “significant proportion” available in one day or less."

    Our testing capacity is 105k per week. We are like formula 1 car driving at 10km/h slow and steady wins the race (if bankrupting our nation is the race that is)

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/around-98-of-covid-19-tests-showing-negative-says-hse-1001428.html


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  • #7672
    Arghus
    Registered Users Posts: 14,320 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    I think we need to appreciate that 100,000 construction workers went back to work over 7 days ago. Woodies, B&Q all of the hardware stores, all opened up.

    Rise in cases? No. None.


    You won't be able to tell about how case numbers were effected inside 7 days of opening up. There's a time lag between people potentially being infected, the incubation period, developing symptoms, requesting a test, getting a test and receiving the results.

    Basic stuff.

    Use your brain.


  • #7673
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    I think phase 1 is the most crucial phase. Just after you've tried to crudely tried to smash the transmission rate of the virus. It's not a time to be over confident.

    I think get through phase 1. Look at the data, assess what's going on elsewhere and if the coast is clear then accelerate the process. I'd be 99.9% confident that's what will happen, despite all the ranting and raving that goes on in here.

    I'm not sure if you're related to Tony Holohan? I'm not sure if you're retired, on the Covid payment, are a civil servant.............but if you're none of the above I'd be very surprised that you would be supporting this continued lockdown of our economy.

    Yesterday we had 4 deaths, today we had none, but you state its "not a time to be over confident" . Why is that?

    In Ireland we didn't even have a FIRST wave. Why? Because we flattened the curve, stayed at home, held firm, didn't see our family and still havent. We are now going into our 11th week since the schools closed, ditto since many workplaces closed. Community transmission has been almost erradicated. We ARE watching other countries, they ARE back open, they are NOT experience a 2nd wave.

    Just off the phone to my daughter in Vancouver. Bars, restaurants, coffee shops have all reopened, people sitting outside and inside all of these. Campsites reopen in 3 weeks, the booking website for these crashed today! The place is buzzing.
    My other daughter lives in London, today was a bank holiday, she went hiking..........no restrictions on where you go in England........no 5km restrictions there! People being treated like adults.

    Tony Holohan can't even crack a smile, can't even admit we've done really well, can't resist saying it could be a false result as weekend reporting is usually low...FFS! Its as though he wants deaths to be reported every day, the more the better. Sorry but that's what its beginning to look like.

    We are the biggest laggards in Europe at this stage.


  • #7674
    newuser99999
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭newuser99999


    Arghus wrote: »
    Ah, yeah, but to say we're "under lock and key" is clearly an exaggeration. It implies that we're more or less locked up inside all day, every day - which isn't the case.

    You can go outside. You can meet people. You can exercise as much as want, theoretically you can travel as far as you want to visit the shops. More and more shops and businesses are open to the public now. And you can travel as far as you want to provide care to a vulnerable person - if you are concerned about someone's well being you can visit them.

    It may not be under lock and key to you, say that to people who haven’t been allowed to go to their family members funerals.


  • #7675
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Arghus wrote: »
    You won't be able to tell about how case numbers were effected inside 7 days of opening up. There's a time lag between people potentially being infected, the incubation period, developing symptoms, requesting a test, getting a test and receiving the results.

    Basic stuff.

    Use your brain.

    Ahh its good to talk to you too. Remember you were dismissing scientists? Something along the lines of "he is just 1 scientist". Thats backfiring for you a little bit isnt it

    "A Nobel Prize- winning scientist has predicted, through analysing raw data, that Ireland's death rate and infection will "burn itself out" in the next two weeks, enabling an earlier exit from lockdown.

    Professor Michael Levitt, of Stanford University, was speaking after he correctly calculated the demise of China's spread, long ahead of most health experts."

    https://www.independent.ie/world-new...-39194015.html

    Basic stuff. Check out date on that article. You have Nobel prize winning scientists telling you how things will play out, yet you chose to tune in Tony cervical check and 33 year old journalism drop out Simon Harris "we are nearly there" to get your daily covid feed...


  • #7676
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Arghus wrote: »
    You won't be able to tell about how case numbers were effected inside 7 days of opening up. There's a time lag between people potentially being infected, the incubation period, developing symptoms, requesting a test, getting a test and receiving the results.

    Basic stuff.

    Use your brain.


    people expecting to see changes after 1 week LOL
    personally I'm enjoying the relaxation of restrictions while at the same time feeling safer than before when going to the shops knowing that we have very low numbers right now


  • #7677
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm not sure if you're related to Tony Holohan? I'm not sure if you're retired, on the Covid payment, are a civil servant.............but if you're none of the above I'd be very surprised that you would be supporting this continued lockdown of our economy.

    Yesterday we had 4 deaths, today we had none, but you state its "not a time to be over confident" . Why is that?

    Because it works against the logic of "lockdowns are working" which is the agenda thats being pursued by some posters here & Gerry Killeen. How in the gods name are things getting better when we lift restrictions? well they do. And it has nothing to do with people sitting at home driving up netflix share price.

    Lol btw @ 21% thinking we are opening too quickly in that "poll". They clearly are unaware government NEEDS to borrow to fund 203 euro and 350 euro payments July 1 onwards. Oh well penny will drop eventually.

    you can see theres nothing actual to report on covid so they started to create "polls" to get peoples opinion. Boy if theres ever an indicator covid is going away this is it.


  • #7678
    RobitTV
    Registered Users Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭RobitTV


    Hairdressers will outline recommendations for 'safe' early reopening

    The Irish Hairdressers Federation (IHF) will present comprehensive recommendations to Government this week in an effort to open salons earlier.

    Hair and beauty salons and barbers are scheduled to reopen here on 20 July, according to the roadmap for easing of restrictions.


  • #7679
    Gods Gift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    There’s no point in the hairdressers and beauty salons opening up now, when the pubs can’t open for another while. A week before the pubs would be grand.


  • #7680
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Arghus wrote: »
    You won't be able to tell about how case numbers were effected inside 7 days of opening up. There's a time lag between people potentially being infected, the incubation period, developing symptoms, requesting a test, getting a test and receiving the results.

    Basic stuff.

    Use your brain.

    Median incubation period is 5 days so we would be starting to see it around now really or certainly soon


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  • #7681
    rob316
    Registered Users Posts: 17,927 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    No deaths today, single figure infection figures in a couple weeks. Ridiculous this over cautious approach, open the gaff up!


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