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Can you rent from a parent on the hap scheme?

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  • 18-02-2018 9:28pm
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    Snugglebunnies
    Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭


    Hi, just as the title says, can you rent from a parent on the hap scheme? The house has not beenbrented before as it was tied up in legal red tape. Thanks!


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    myshirt
    Registered Users Posts: 5,245 ✭✭✭myshirt


    No, you can't.


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    loca1
    Registered Users Posts: 140 ✭✭loca1


    I was told you can. I know someone on HAP and her brother owns it. My dad owns a house and we were told we could go on hap that is donegal council


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    Mickiemcfist
    Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Mickiemcfist


    loca1 wrote: »
    I was told you can. I know someone on HAP and her brother owns it. My dad owns a house and we were told we could go on hap that is donegal council

    I really hope you can't. I accept a lot of abuse is going on, but I feel insulted thinking I'm paying for someones kid to rent off their parent.


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    The_Conductor
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    Mickiemcfist wrote: »
    I really hope you can't. I accept a lot of abuse is going on, but I feel insulted thinking I'm paying for someones kid to rent off their parent.

    Its specifically against Department rules- which most certainly have been conveyed to all local authorities. If this was picked up in the media- heads would roll.


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    loca1
    Registered Users Posts: 140 ✭✭loca1


    The RAS scheme did not allow it. I was told it is allowed on HAP however I have not applied so I cannot say 100% that is it true as I find staff dont always know what is going on but definitely know someone renting from her brother and getting help with it. Maybe with the housing crisis they have no option but to accept it


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    enricoh
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭enricoh


    loca1 wrote: »
    I was told you can. I know someone on HAP and her brother owns it. My dad owns a house and we were told we could go on hap that is donegal council

    Words fail me! No wonder we have a social welfare bill of 20 billion +.
    The country will go wallop again n the keys should be given to the imf permanently.


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    lorcand1990
    Registered Users Posts: 356 ✭✭lorcand1990


    According to Citizens Info you can't:

    'You cannot get Rent Supplement to help you pay rent to your parent if you are living in the family home. If your parent owns a second property, you will generally not get Rent Supplement for this property unless you can prove that you are a genuine (bona fide) tenant.'

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/supplementary_welfare_schemes/rent_supplement.html


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    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    lorcand1990 wrote: »
    According to Citizens Info you can't:

    'You cannot get Rent Supplement to help you pay rent to your parent if you are living in the family home. If your parent owns a second property, you will generally not get Rent Supplement for this property unless you can prove that you are a genuine (bona fide) tenant.'

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/supplementary_welfare_schemes/rent_supplement.html

    Or the third option we all know - go to papers, get kids to make sad faces and get sorted.

    Seriously we're now paying for someone to live in their ma's house ??? Jesus wept!


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    lorcand1990
    Registered Users Posts: 356 ✭✭lorcand1990


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    Or the third option we all know - go to papers, get kids to make sad faces and get sorted.

    Seriously we're now paying for someone to live in their ma's house ??? Jesus wept!

    Oh I completely agree with you, no way should someone be able to get money for living in their parents house & try to pass it off as 'renting'.. was just answering the OP question :)


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    Dev84
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 739 ✭✭✭Dev84


    I wonder OP if your parents were to get an agency to manage the lease and property would it be a way around it. Have a look.


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    Foweva Awone
    Registered Users Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭Foweva Awone


    I know one person renting off her mother and getting HAP. And she was living in the house for free for a couple of years before she applied for HAP. While I'm sure it's not allowed, I doubt they do cross-checks - the person I'm thinking of is in her 40s so (on paper) has not been dependent on her mother for a long time; as far as the council are concerned it's just a normal private rental agreement.


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    Snugglebunnies
    Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭Snugglebunnies


    It's not for living in their house with them! My mother is joint owner of a second property which she is unsure of letting out to a stranger. She would be happy for me to pay a small summout of my own pocket to rent it but the co-owner wants a higher rent. So I'm asking the question here. I work hard and I'm not a sponger.


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    Mick ah
    Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Mick ah


    Foweva Awone wrote: »
    I know one person renting off her mother and getting HAP. And she was living in the house for free for a couple of years before she applied for HAP. While I'm sure it's not allowed, I doubt they do cross-checks - the person I'm thinking of is in her 40s so (on paper) has not been dependent on her mother for a long time; as far as the council are concerned it's just a normal private rental agreement.


    If one had any sense of civic duty one would report abuses of the kind outlined above.

    I'd say I'm surprised, but being a "cute hoor" is celebrated in this country.


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    Snugglebunnies
    Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭Snugglebunnies


    Why is it being a cute hoor? The parent probably can't afford to be letting a house for free to anyone. If it wasn't the adult child renting it with hap it would be someone else and the daughter would be paying with hap to a different landlord. I don't see the difference. Why should a parent be expected to rent for free just because it's their own child?


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    Askthe EA
    Registered Users Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Askthe EA


    Snugglebunnies wrote: »
    Why should a parent be expected to rent for free just because it's their own child?

    Why should we the tax paying public pay a person to house their own adult child?

    I see what your point is, but in reality, if that lady rented to her daughter rent free, then the HAP payment wouldnt be required at all.


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    bleary
    Registered Users Posts: 495 ✭✭bleary


    Snugglebunnies wrote: »
    Why is it being a cute hoor? The parent probably can't afford to be letting a house for free to anyone. If it wasn't the adult child renting it with hap it would be someone else and the daughter would be paying with hap to a different landlord. I don't see the difference. Why should a parent be expected to rent for free just because it's their own child?
    Why should the state and tax payer be expected to step in and not only provide an almost free accommodation but actually profit their family for the privilege of housing their own family .


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    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,266 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Snugglebunnies wrote: »
    Why is it being a cute hoor? The parent probably can't afford to be letting a house for free to anyone. If it wasn't the adult child renting it with hap it would be someone else and the daughter would be paying with hap to a different landlord. I don't see the difference. Why should a parent be expected to rent for free just because it's their own child?
    The parent may rent them out the holiday house. While they continue to live at the parents main house


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    K_P
    Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭K_P


    Snugglebunnies wrote: »
    It's not for living in their house with them! My mother is joint owner of a second property which she is unsure of letting out to a stranger. She would be happy for me to pay a small summout of my own pocket to rent it but the co-owner wants a higher rent. So I'm asking the question here. I work hard and I'm not a sponger.

    It's not the taxpayer's fault that your mother is too squeamish to let a house out to a stranger, ie, be a landlord. Either she toughens up or the co-owner agrees to lower the rent. The solution here is not to screw the social welfare system.


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    PeterParker957
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    bleary wrote: »
    Why should the state and tax payer be expected to step in and not only provide an almost free accommodation but actually profit their family for the privilege of housing their own family .

    +1 for this!!


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    Conall Cernach
    Registered Users Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    To qualify for HAP you have to be on the local authority housing list. To get on that you have to pass a means test. So the chances of some young fella just being allowed to move out of mammy's house into mammy's other house wouldn't be too good.

    I can't see it written anywhere where renting to a family member is prohibited.


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    Mrs OBumble
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    bleary wrote: »
    Why should the state and tax payer be expected to step in and not only provide an almost free accommodation but actually profit their family for the privilege of housing their own family .


    Because there is no expectation that parents should continue to house their children - for free or any other way - once those children reach adulthood (defined legally as being 18 years).

    There is no difference between HAP being used to pay rent in a house that your mammy owns, vs a house that her best friend, manager at work, cousin or a stranger down the street owns. None of them are expected to house you for free, so why should a parent?

    Obviously things are different if the house is the one the parent is living in: they won't be forgoing rental income if they let their kids live there. But another house they also own is just that, another house.


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    Mick ah
    Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Mick ah


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    bleary wrote: »
    Why should the state and tax payer be expected to step in and not only provide an almost free accommodation but actually profit their family for the privilege of housing their own family .


    Because there is no expectation that parents should continue to house their children - for free or any other way - once those children reach adulthood (defined legally as being 18 years).

    There is no difference between HAP being used to pay rent in a house that your mammy owns, vs a house that her best friend, manager at work, cousin or a stranger down the street owns. None of them are expected to house you for free, so why should a parent?

    Obviously things are different if the house is the one the parent is living in: they won't be forgoing rental income if they let their kids live there. But another house they also own is just that, another house.
    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    bleary wrote: »
    Why should the state and tax payer be expected to step in and not only provide an almost free accommodation but actually profit their family for the privilege of housing their own family .


    Because there is no expectation that parents should continue to house their children - for free or any other way - once those children reach adulthood (defined legally as being 18 years).

    There is no difference between HAP being used to pay rent in a house that your mammy owns, vs a house that her best friend, manager at work, cousin or a stranger down the street owns. None of them are expected to house you for free, so why should a parent?

    Obviously things are different if the house is the one the parent is living in: they won't be forgoing rental income if they let their kids live there. But another house they also own is just that, another house.


    Do you think it's fair that the state (via the tax payer) gives money to someone to house their own child in their SECOND home?

    Personally I wouldn't mind reduced taxes so that I could more easily afford rent, instead of having to use my after tax money to compete with the genuine users of state assistance (whom I am happy to support) as well as chancers who want the state to pay the mortgage on their investment while their child lives in it.


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