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Ireland Under 20 2018 6 Nations and World Championships

  • 11-07-2017 3:58pm
    #1
    The Lost Sheep
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    Ireland finished 9th in the 2017 Junior World Championships following a poor world championships and a 6 nations where we had finished 4th.

    The under 19 interpro fixtures are below but these could change while i will not post the under 20/development fixtures as i have yet to see what plan will be for them for september
    2/9/17 Connacht v Ulster, Munster v Leinster
    9/9/17 Connacht v Munster, Leinster v Ulster
    16/9 Leinster v Connacht, Ulster v Munster

    Ronan Kelleher (Hooker), Sean Masterson (Backrow), Jonny Stewart (Scrum Half), Caelin Doris (Backrow), Angus Curtis (Half back), Jordan Duggan (prop), David McCarthy (Centre), Michael Silvester (Wing), Diarmuid Barron (Hooker), Mark Keane (Wing) and Cormac Daly are all eligible to play again next year


    The 2018 Junior World Cup takes place in Scotland and the groups are below(based upon seedings from the 2017 competition)
    New Zealand, Australia, Wales plus winner of Trophy which will be played at end August/Start September
    England, Scotland, Italy, Argentina
    South Africa, France, Ireland, Georgia

    The biggest changes to under 20s rugby coming up is that Georgia and Romania are to join the 6 Nations.


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  • #2
    stellenbosch
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭stellenbosch


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Ireland finished 9th in the 2017 Junior World Championships following a poor world championships and a 6 nations where we had finished 4th.

    The under 19 interpro fixtures are below but these could change while i will not post the under 20/development fixtures as i have yet to see what plan will be for them for september
    2/9/17 Connacht v Ulster, Munster v Leinster
    9/9/17 Connacht v Munster, Leinster v Ulster
    16/9 Leinster v Connacht, Ulster v Munster

    Ronan Kelleher (Hooker), Sean Masterson (Backrow), Jonny Stewart (Scrum Half), Caelin Doris (Backrow), Angus Curtis (Half back), Jordan Duggan (prop), David McCarthy (Centre), Michael Silvester (Wing), Diarmuid Barron (Hooker), Mark Keane (Wing) and Cormac Daly are all eligible to play again next year


    The 2018 Junior World Cup takes place in Scotland and the groups are below(based upon seedings from the 2017 competition)
    New Zealand, Australia, Wales plus winner of Trophy which will be played at end August/Start September
    England, Scotland, Italy, Argentina
    South Africa, France, Ireland, Georgia

    The biggest changes to under 20s rugby coming up is that Georgia and Romania are to join the 6 Nations.

    Tommy O'Brien also available


  • #3
    Ken2017
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭Ken2017


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Ireland finished 9th in the 2017 Junior World Championships following a poor world championships and a 6 nations where we had finished 4th.

    The under 19 interpro fixtures are below but these could change while i will not post the under 20/development fixtures as i have yet to see what plan will be for them for september
    2/9/17 Connacht v Ulster, Munster v Leinster
    9/9/17 Connacht v Munster, Leinster v Ulster
    16/9 Leinster v Connacht, Ulster v Munster

    Ronan Kelleher (Hooker), Sean Masterson (Backrow), Jonny Stewart (Scrum Half), Caelin Doris (Backrow), Angus Curtis (Half back), Jordan Duggan (prop), David McCarthy (Centre), Michael Silvester (Wing), Diarmuid Barron (Hooker), Mark Keane (Wing) and Cormac Daly are all eligible to play again next year


    The 2018 Junior World Cup takes place in Scotland and the groups are below(based upon seedings from the 2017 competition)
    New Zealand, Australia, Wales plus winner of Trophy which will be played at end August/Start September
    England, Scotland, Italy, Argentina
    South Africa, France, Ireland, Georgia

    The biggest changes to under 20s rugby coming up is that Georgia and Romania are to join the 6 Nations.

    Whats this about Romania and Georgia u 20 6 nations? where did you hear this


  • #4
    The Lost Sheep
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    Ken2017 wrote: »
    Whats this about Romania and Georgia u 20 6 nations? where did you hear this
    Seen tweets and Georgia refer to it


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    rugby_scout_0
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    Leinster u20 squad

    Prop
    Jack Aungier(Suttonians)
    Jordan Duggan(Naas/Newbridge)
    Joe Byrne(Blackrock)
    Sean Goodburn(Kings Hospital)
    Evin Coyle(UCD/Gonzaga)
    Nail McEniff(St. Marys)

    Hooker
    Eoghan Clarke(CBC Monkstown)
    Cathal Duff(Navan)
    Dan Sheehan(Clongowes)

    Second Row
    Aaron Browne(Roscrea)
    Cormac Daly(Clontarf/North Kildare)
    Jack Dunne(Michaels)

    Backrow
    JJ O'Dea(Navan)
    Richard Dunne(DUFC/Blackrock)
    Max Kearney(Belvedere)
    Ruadhán McDonnell(Longford)
    Will Fay(Lansdowne/CBC Monkstown)
    Cian Reilly(Blackrock)
    Conor Doran(Belvedere)

    Scrumhalf
    Hugh O'Sullivan(Belvedere)
    James Kenny(Gonzaga)
    Patrick Patterson(Blackrock)

    Outhalf
    Conor Dean(Marys/Blackrock)
    Harry Byrne(Michaels)
    Peter Hastie(Lansdowne/Wicklow)

    Outside Backs
    James Moriarty(Blackrock)
    Sean O'Brien(Clontarf/Mullingar)
    Tom Roche(Blackrock)
    David Heavey(Blackrock)
    Peter Maher(Belvedere)
    Jordan Wilkes(Belvedere)
    Conor Dunne(Tullamore)
    Tom O'Callaghan(Lansdowne/CBC Monkstown)
    Michael Silvester(DUFC/Clongowes)
    Peter Sullivan(St. Andrews)


  • #6
    Tarf1234
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    Small somewhat irrelevant point but Sean O'Brien has nothing to do with Blackrock.
    Cormac Daly has apparently signed for Tarf and Ruadhan McDonnell has gone to UCD I believe. Haven't heard anything concrete or surprising on anyone else. Hopeful most if not all the Belvo lads will be in Tarf. Good to see Max in the squad despite rumours of a move to Ulster.


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  • #7
    rugby_scout_0
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    Tarf1234 wrote: »
    Small somewhat irrelevant point but Sean O'Brien has nothing to do with Blackrock.
    Cormac Daly has apparently signed for Tarf and Ruadhan McDonnell has gone to UCD I believe. Haven't heard anything concrete or surprising on anyone else. Hopeful most if not all the Belvo lads will be in Tarf. Good to see Max in the squad despite rumours of a move to Ulster.

    Could be wrong, this was the named training squad back in june.

    Aungier surely moving to Tarf too?


  • #8
    Tarf1234
    Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭Tarf1234


    rugby_scout_0 wrote: »
    Tarf1234 wrote: »
    Small somewhat irrelevant point but Sean O'Brien has nothing to do with Blackrock.
    Cormac Daly has apparently signed for Tarf and Ruadhan McDonnell has gone to UCD I believe. Haven't heard anything concrete or surprising on anyone else. Hopeful most if not all the Belvo lads will be in Tarf. Good to see Max in the squad despite rumours of a move to Ulster.

    Could be wrong, this was the named training squad back in june.

    Aungier surely moving to Tarf too?
    SOB definitely nothing to do with Rock. He is Tarf/Mullingar.

    Hopefully, has been offered the UCD scholarship so will end up there if he gets the points apparently. Obviously biased but would suggest Tarf the best place for him.


  • #9
    rugby_scout_0
    Site Banned Posts: 16 ✭rugby_scout_0


    Tarf1234 wrote: »
    SOB definitely nothing to do with Rock. He is Tarf/Mullingar.

    Hopefully, has been offered the UCD scholarship so will end up there if he gets the points apparently. Obviously biased but would suggest Tarf the best place for him.

    I meant wrong on Max K.


  • #10
    stellenbosch
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭stellenbosch


    rugby_scout_0 wrote: »
    Leinster u20 squad

    Prop
    Jack Aungier(Suttonians)
    Jordan Duggan(Naas/Newbridge)
    Joe Byrne(Blackrock)
    Sean Goodburn(Kings Hospital)
    Evin Coyle(UCD/Gonzaga)
    Nail McEniff(St. Marys)

    Hooker
    Eoghan Clarke(CBC Monkstown)
    Cathal Duff(Navan)
    Dan Sheehan(Clongowes)

    Second Row
    Aaron Browne(Roscrea)
    Cormac Daly(Clontarf/North Kildare)
    Jack Dunne(Michaels)

    Backrow
    JJ O'Dea(Navan)
    Richard Dunne(DUFC/Blackrock)
    Max Kearney(Belvedere)
    Ruadhán McDonnell(Longford)
    Will Fay(Lansdowne/CBC Monkstown)
    Cian Reilly(Blackrock)
    Conor Doran(Belvedere)

    Scrumhalf
    Hugh O'Sullivan(Belvedere)
    James Kenny(Gonzaga)
    Patrick Patterson(Blackrock)

    Outhalf
    Conor Dean(Marys/Blackrock)
    Harry Byrne(Michaels)
    Peter Hastie(Lansdowne/Wicklow)

    Outside Backs
    James Moriarty(Blackrock)
    Sean O'Brien(Clontarf/Mullingar)
    Tom Roche(Blackrock)
    David Heavey(Blackrock)
    Peter Maher(Belvedere)
    Jordan Wilkes(Belvedere)
    Conor Dunne(Tullamore)
    Tom O'Callaghan(Lansdowne/CBC Monkstown)
    Michael Silvester(DUFC/Clongowes)
    Peter Sullivan(St. Andrews)

    Tom O'Callaghan has signed for Wesley and left Lansdowne

    H O'S looking at Trinity i hear


  • #11
    Tarf1234
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    Apparently Hughie is going to UCD too. Was told Jordan Wilkes is 19s not 20s.


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  • #12
    KevinK
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    Ken2017 wrote: »
    Whats this about Romania and Georgia u 20 6 nations? where did you hear this



    I was just think about how this would work- I came up a schedule based the following principles.


    1. That the existing six teams with continue to follow their senior teams schedule.


    2. At least 5 days rest between games


    This would be the schedule based on recent years...




    2 February
    Wales v Scotland,
    France v Ireland,
    Italy v England,

    9 February
    Ireland v Italy,
    England v Wales,
    Scotland v France,

    23 February
    France v Italy,
    Ireland v Wales,
    Scotland v England,

    9 March
    Ireland v Scotland,
    France v England,
    Wales v Italy, Sunday

    16 March
    Italy v Scotland,
    England v Ireland,
    Wales v France


    I have added in Georgia and Romania by playing two games on the week before the six nations starts and two games on each of the rest weekends. By delaying some u-20 games until Saturdays it means at least 5 days between all games. Obviously this isn't ideal but could work if u-20's following the senior schedule is important to the organisers.






    Wed 24 January


    Romania V England
    Georgia V Wales


    Mon 29 January
    Romania V France
    Georgia V Ireland


    Fri 2 February
    Wales v Scotland,
    Italy v England,


    Sat 3 Feb
    France v Ireland,

    Fri 9 February
    Ireland v Italy,
    England v Wales,
    Scotland v France,


    Wed 14 Feb
    Romania V Ireland
    Georgia V Italy


    Mon 19 Feb
    Romania V Scotland
    Georgia V England

    Friday 23 February
    France v Italy,
    Ireland v Wales


    Sat 24 February
    Scotland v England


    Wed 28 February
    Georgia v France
    Romania v Italy


    Mon 5 March
    Georgia v Scotland
    Romania V wales


    Sat 10 March
    Ireland v Scotland,
    France v England,
    Wales v Italy,


    Fri 16 March
    Italy v Scotland,
    England v Ireland,
    Wales v France,

    Romania V Georgia



  • #13
    sejager
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    So Munster/Connacht not fielding u20 sides this summer.

    Ulster & Leinster expected to play against each other.

    Also heard rumour that a lot of leinster's larger squad dropped out of summer training after being told that sub academy for next season had been decided already.

    Must say the management of u20's rugby in the country leaves a lot to be desired.


  • #14
    Tarf1234
    Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭Tarf1234


    sejager wrote: »
    So Munster/Connacht not fielding u20 sides this summer.

    Ulster & Leinster expected to play against each other.

    Also heard rumour that a lot of leinster's larger squad dropped out of summer training after being told that sub academy for next season had been decided already.

    Must say the management of u20's rugby in the country leaves a lot to be desired.
    That's ridiculous if true


  • #15
    typhoony
    Registered Users Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭typhoony


    if they can loan james ryan to munster for a game surely they could redistribute the players amongst the other 2 provinces to get at least token competitive u20's interpros


  • #16
    Ayewserious
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭Ayewserious


    rugby_scout_0 wrote: »
    Leinster u20 squad

    Prop
    Jack Aungier(Suttonians)
    Jordan Duggan(Naas/Newbridge)
    Joe Byrne(Blackrock)
    Sean Goodburn(Kings Hospital)
    Evin Coyle(UCD/Gonzaga)
    Nail McEniff(St. Marys)

    Hooker
    Eoghan Clarke(CBC Monkstown)
    Cathal Duff(Navan)
    Dan Sheehan(Clongowes)

    Second Row
    Aaron Browne(Roscrea)
    Cormac Daly(Clontarf/North Kildare)
    Jack Dunne(Michaels)

    Backrow
    JJ O'Dea(Navan)
    Richard Dunne(DUFC/Blackrock)
    Max Kearney(Belvedere)
    Ruadhán McDonnell(Longford)
    Will Fay(Lansdowne/CBC Monkstown)
    Cian Reilly(Blackrock)
    Conor Doran(Belvedere)

    Scrumhalf
    Hugh O'Sullivan(Belvedere)
    James Kenny(Gonzaga)
    Patrick Patterson(Blackrock)

    Outhalf
    Conor Dean(Marys/Blackrock)
    Harry Byrne(Michaels)
    Peter Hastie(Lansdowne/Wicklow)

    Outside Backs
    James Moriarty(Blackrock)
    Sean O'Brien(Clontarf/Mullingar)
    Tom Roche(Blackrock)
    David Heavey(Blackrock)
    Peter Maher(Belvedere)
    Jordan Wilkes(Belvedere)
    Conor Dunne(Tullamore)
    Tom O'Callaghan(Lansdowne/CBC Monkstown)
    Michael Silvester(DUFC/Clongowes)
    Peter Sullivan(St. Andrews)
    James kenny is injured


  • #17
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    While Connacht may not be fielding a 20s side in the interpros at least they've some clubs trying to field u20 sides even if it's only for a few blitz style events now. Hopefully that keeps some more kids playing for the new season that may otherwise have quit playing


  • #18
    ArmchairQB
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    While Connacht may not be fielding a 20s side in the interpros at least they've some clubs trying to field u20 sides even if it's only for a few blitz style events now. Hopefully that keeps some more kids playing for the new season that may otherwise have quit playing

    Important they keep plugging away foundations are there with Galwegians, NUIG, Sligo & Buccs so hopefully they resurrect a competitive under 20s provincial side


  • #19
    Spectator1950
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭Spectator1950


    ArmchairQB wrote: »
    Important they keep plugging away foundations are there with Galwegians, NUIG, Sligo & Buccs so hopefully they resurrect a competitive under 20s provincial side

    Are these teams not involved with Leinster Branch Leagues?

    Also who has confirmed that Connaught & Munster are not fielding @ U20's this season? And why?


  • #20
    The Lost Sheep
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    Spectator1950 wrote:
    Also who has confirmed that Connaught & Munster are not fielding @ U20's this season? And why?
    that's incorrect. Both are fielding sides in Under 20 development games. Munster play Leinster September 1st in Thomond Park and play Connacht in Galway September 8th


  • #21
    The Lost Sheep
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    Spectator1950 wrote:
    Also who has confirmed that Connaught & Munster are not fielding @ U20's this season? And why?
    that's incorrect. Both are fielding sides in Under 20 development games. Munster play Leinster September 1st in Thomond Park and play Connacht in Galway September 8th


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  • #22
    Spectator1950
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭Spectator1950


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Spectator1950 wrote:
    Also who has confirmed that Connaught & Munster are not fielding @ U20's this season? And why?
    that's incorrect. Both are fielding sides in Under 20 development games. Munster play Leinster September 1st in Thomond Park and play Connacht in Galway September 8th

    What is difference between development games and Inter pro games


  • #23
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Spectator1950 wrote:
    What is difference between development games and Inter pro games
    nothing. They're still interpros but not limited to the under 20 age group if a province feels they want/need to use other players who would be ineligible for games played at the under 20 grade


  • #24
    Spectator1950
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭Spectator1950


    Any rumours on any of the provincial u20 starting teams? Are Leinster playing Ulster on Friday


  • #25
    Tarf1234
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    Was speaking to one of the lads  who is playing 20s and they play the Leinster 19s today and Ulster A on Friday and are then off to Italy to play the Italy 20s. No inter pros.


  • #26
    Spectator1950
    Registered Users Posts: 15 ✭Spectator1950


    Tarf1234 wrote: »
    Was speaking to one of the lads  who is playing 20s and they play the Leinster 19s today and Ulster A on Friday and are then off to Italy to play the Italy 20s. No inter pros.

    Did anyone go to watch this, any standout players. Take it the U20's won by a large score


  • #27
    MunsterMike
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭MunsterMike


    Spectator1950 wrote: »
    Any rumours on any of the provincial u20 starting teams? Are Leinster playing Ulster on Friday

    3.30 Donnybrook Friday


  • #28
    RuPi
    Registered Users Posts: 300 ✭✭RuPi


    Ulster have named an academy side to play Leinster

    http://www.ulsterrugby.com/news/16386.php#.WZXYH0HTXYU

    A lot of players there not eligible for Under 20, only two inter pro games? Would have thought there would have been a good argument to play each other twice.


  • #29
    bilston
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    Ulster won 34-30. So was it Ulster Academy v Leinster U20? Although I assume most of the Ulster side were U20 anyway?

    Anyone see it? Any standout performances?


  • #30
    Tarf1234
    Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭Tarf1234


    bilston wrote: »
    Ulster won 34-30. So was it Ulster Academy v Leinster U20? Although I assume most of the Ulster side were U20 anyway?

    Anyone see it? Any standout performances?
    Bit of an odd game. Leinster were hammering Ulster until they shifted a few injuries and ended up with no 10. Leinster lost their shape and conceded some pretty poor tries. Discipline was really poor from Leinster.

    Dean was very good while he was on and Sylvester was excellent.


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  • #31
    Ayewserious
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭Ayewserious


    Tarf1234 wrote: »
    Bit of an odd game. Leinster were hammering Ulster until they shifted a few injuries and ended up with no 10. Leinster lost their shape and conceded some pretty poor tries. Discipline was really poor from Leinster.

    Dean was very good while he was on and Sylvester was excellent.
    The Leinster u20 team was weak on paper


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