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Smart Switch with no neutral

  • 19-02-2019 9:36am
    #1
    durtybit
    Registered Users Posts: 384 ✭✭


    Hi I would like to install some smart switches. I have no neutral wire and I also have 2 way switching. Any recommendations?


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  • #2
    wexfordman2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    durtybit wrote: »
    Hi I would like to install some smart switches. I have no neutral wire and I also have 2 way switching. Any recommendations?

    You should give a little more info, there are lots if options.


    You can go for behind the switch/inline devices such as fibaro dimmer modules for example.

    Or you can go for direct switch replacement devices that replace your entire light switch, such as lightwave rf.

    So, deciding factor will be, are the bulbs dimmable, hiw many gangs per switch, budget etc.

    Generally, I beleive most that do not require a neutral are all dimmer modules (but I think someone might have corrected me on that ).

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07G2Y9HXS/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ll1&tag=ah4-21&linkId=2587b30d2c55d7bc6a31a3132a5864cc&language=en_GB

    For example

    There


  • #3
    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    durtybit wrote: »
    Hi I would like to install some smart switches. I have no neutral wire and I also have 2 way switching. Any recommendations?

    Xiaomi Aqara?


  • #4
    durtybit
    Registered Users Posts: 384 ✭✭durtybit


    wexfordman2 wrote: »
    You should give a little more info, there are lots if options.


    You can go for behind the switch/inline devices such as fibaro dimmer modules for example.

    Or you can go for direct switch replacement devices that replace your entire light switch, such as lightwave rf.

    So, deciding factor will be, are the bulbs dimmable, hiw many gangs per switch, budget etc.

    Generally, I beleive most that do not require a neutral are all dimmer modules (but I think someone might have corrected me on that ).

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07G2Y9HXS/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ll1&tag=ah4-21&linkId=2587b30d2c55d7bc6a31a3132a5864cc&language=en_GB

    For example

    There

    Exactly what I said is pretty much all I am asking for, a switch that works without a neutral and can be used for two way switching. They are all single gangs with single, double and triple switches. Most have at least one switch that is a two way switch.


  • #5
    paulbok
    Registered Users Posts: 4,884 ✭✭✭paulbok


    grogi wrote: »
    Xiaomi Aqara?

    Have one of those, works well as a switch but doesn't dim. They also have a very noticeable click when remotely switched. Would be annoying if I had it in say the living room or bedroom (in hallway porch)


  • #6
    Stoner
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 10,952 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    Lightwaverf have two way switching with no neutral, however it's expensive and I didn't have a good experience with it. But there's newer versions now


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  • #7
    Euphoriasean
    Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Euphoriasean


    paulbok wrote: »
    Have one of those, works well as a switch but doesn't dim. They also have a very noticeable click when remotely switched. Would be annoying if I had it in say the living room or bedroom (in hallway porch)

    Insterested in this too. I've been able to run a neutral to most switches bar the sitting room and part of the kitchen. Been looking at alternatives for the area where I can't get a neutral. Does the xiaomi aquara require a hub, can it work with alexa/Google home, can they work with Led lights. How loud is the click, is it just like a lamp clicking off? Thanks


  • #8
    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    Euphoriasean wrote: »
    Insterested in this too. I've been able to run a neutral to most switches bar the sitting room and part of the kitchen. Been looking at alternatives for the area where I can't get a neutral. Does the xiaomi aquara require a hub, can it work with alexa/Google home, can they work with Led lights. How loud is the click, is it just like a lamp clicking off? Thanks

    Officially it does, but they are supported by Zigbee2mqtt...


  • #9
    Euphoriasean
    Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Euphoriasean


    grogi wrote: »
    Officially it does, but they are supported by Zigbee2mqtt...

    Thanks. Is this the guide, may be out of my tech range but could give it a go.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/gadget-freakz.com/diy-zigbee-gateway/amp/

    Any advantages to this bar the cost?


  • #10
    Euphoriasean
    Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Euphoriasean


    Euphoriasean wrote: »
    Thanks. Is this the guide, may be out of my tech range but could give it a go.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/gadget-freakz.com/diy-zigbee-gateway/amp/

    Any advantages to this bar the cost?

    So I installed the an xiaomi aqara no nuertal smart switch and works fine from the xiaomi home app with the gateway but for the life of me I can't get alexa to regonise it. Also installed a separate neutral smart switch via the Smart life app and works fine with alexa.

    Anyone have this installed, is it something to do with setting your region to China which you have to do to get the switch to be recognised?


  • #11
    spaceHopper
    Registered Users Posts: 3,958 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    Try here but you may need a hub
    https://hartingtonheath.com/


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  • #12
    Euphoriasean
    Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Euphoriasean


    Just wondering has any tried any of the below no neutral light switches for aliexpress:

    https://a.aliexpress.com/rFUhKVgU

    https://a.aliexpress.com/4zCB8vpe

    https://a.aliexpress.com/cRna4Pms

    Have the Mi Aquara no nuetral switches which work perfect from the app but doesn't look like they will ever have Alexa support.


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