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Mad_Lad 20:31 13-02-2019 (1 Thanks)
Originally Posted by hcass:
Hey all - wondering if anyone knows are bicycles like these ones available in ireland https://cdn.japantimes.2xx.jp/wp-con...a-20171119.jpg


My brother lives in japan and I used this when I was there with his two kids and it was fantastic. I cannot find anything similar over here.
This would be far better in my opinion, more stable too. The price is of course a joke.

https://www.greenaer.ie/product/tern-gsd-s10-7/

I'd love something like this to get out and about with my two boys 4.5 and 3 years old currently nothing exists that is cheaper and can carry two Children safely on my crap back roads.

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Mad_Lad 20:43 13-02-2019
Originally Posted by rubadub:
I think if it was the same as the US and 32.2kph (20mph) then ~80% of regular commuters currently illegally delimiting would not have bothered with that expense, the bikes are expensive enough to start with. A limit of 32.2 is quite a big difference, 25 is painful if you are on the flat.
If the law is 20 Mph in the U.S why should it be so restrictive in Europe ? they also have a legal 750 watt limit too but in fairness the Bosch motors, Yamaha re 500+ but it would be nice to have the laws changed to a sensible limit to reflect reality.

There has been many, many attempts to have power limits changed but legislators still insist that more than 250 watts is disgraceful on a bicycle that it would be way too dangerous level of power for us dumb people to handle. But guess what ? the power limit has long been surpassed by many if not all ebike manufacturers today because 250 watts is really not enough and how do you determine this ? 250 watts to the motor or 250 watts from the battery ? this is actually a very important question because a hub motor at full power up a steep hill could only be putting 150 watts to the wheel where as a Bosch might put 200 all depending on the efficiency of the system

E.U car makers took many years to put turbos in diesel vans, who would want a turbo in a van ? surely 30 seconds 0-100 is enough ? why would people want more in a van ? lol.
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Ferris 23:33 13-02-2019 (1 Thanks)
Originally Posted by hcass:
Hey all - wondering if anyone knows are bicycles like these ones available in ireland https://cdn.japantimes.2xx.jp/wp-con...a-20171119.jpg


My brother lives in japan and I used this when I was there with his two kids and it was fantastic. I cannot find anything similar over here.
No experience but this could be an alternative

https://radpowerbikes.eu/products/20...12485466914909
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site_owner 00:06 14-02-2019
The radbike is an L1E-A bike so needs insurance. Rad bike have EU typw approval so if you want to buy one they claim that they will help you be the first person in Ireland to get it taxed and insured.

There are other pedelec longbike options, greenaer have a few, as do dutch bike shop. There are other shops too

They are quite expensive and very niche so selling it on will be tough. front loader cargo bikes are more common and in demand if you are factoring resale
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Mad_Lad 00:10 14-02-2019
That bike in the pic uses a hub motor which I would avoid not because i dislike hub motors but because they need lots of power and at legal limits or even Bosch limits of about 500 Watts a hub like this which looks like a direct drive motor would be pretty gutless especially on hills, fine on level ground possibly but if it is indeed a direct drive hub they are an absolute pain in the ass to pedal with no motor power.
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Mad_Lad 00:27 14-02-2019
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...ory-insurance/


The 22nd January is when the E.U parliament decide whether all ebikes must be insured and I personally think this is a good idea but all cyclists should have some form of insurance.

As I said, in a country like Ireland where you can easily be sued for anything means that if you did hit and injure someone you could loose your home to pay legal costs + any compensation to third party.

Having no insurance on any bike particularly in Dublin leaves people wide open.

On the plus side of that , if insurance becomes law than there is absolutely nothing to stop people going all out and getting the S-pedelecs instead, the difference 50 km/h would make would be massive and who cares about crap bike lanes ? they are mostly bus lanes shared with taxis anyway so you can still ride in them along with Motorbikes and the faster speeds might actually makes things safer for cyclists on ebikes too.

The only odd thing will be having a full registration on the back lol
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SteM 08:47 14-02-2019
Originally Posted by Mad_Lad:
As I said, in a country like Ireland where you can easily be sued for anything means that if you did hit and injure someone you could loose your home to pay legal costs + any compensation to third party.

Having no insurance on any bike particularly in Dublin leaves people wide open.

Who insures commuting cyclists in Ireland?
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Mad_Lad 11:33 14-02-2019
I am not aware of anyone who insures cyclists however if this law is passed I would imaging car insurance companies will be forced to and probably only too delighted to take on ebikers.

Still as sore a topic insurance for electric bikes is I believe it’s for the bereft or everyone because if you hit someone and hurt them you’d be mighty glad you have insurance or damage someone’s car if you ride out in front of them by accident.

+ as I said , there’ll be no need to get limited speed bicycles there’d be no reason someone should stick to the 25 km/r ebikes unless they have no drivers license unless cycling in cycle lanes is important to someone but they’re usually bus lanes and a lot of cyclists don’t use the provided dedicated cycles lanes a lot of the time anyway.

I would hope it’s easy for cyclists to insure their bike as needed and not yearly.
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Weepsie 12:02 14-02-2019 (2 Thanks)
Originally Posted by Mad_Lad:
I am not aware of anyone who insures cyclists however if this law is passed I would imaging car insurance companies will be forced to and probably only too delighted to take on ebikers.
Not necessarily, as it will very likely be hard to quantify how much it will cost them, or anyone.

The notion of insurance for bikes is mostly absurd. IT's a topic that's been done to death. You may as well insist that everybody has third party liability insurance when they step out their front door, as pedestrians are more than capable of causing accidents (and have).

It would also become a massive deterrent to getting people cycling and be a backwards step, and you can't force companies to insure an area if they don't want to.

eBikes that have motors that don't cut out over a certain speed, is another matter I accept, there's a greater mass, possibly greater speed etc that the result of impact is probably more severe, and the risk is probably a little higher.
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Mad_Lad 13:15 14-02-2019 (5 Thanks)
https://www.bike-eu.com/laws-regulat...bikes-10135168##

I couldn't find that last night of course but they voted against ebike insurance being mandatory.
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hcass 15:09 14-02-2019
Originally Posted by Ferris:
No experience but this could be an alternative

https://radpowerbikes.eu/products/20...12485466914909

Thanks for that - and thanks for the other (really expensive) option. How would I go about getting child's seat for it?
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Ferris 15:34 14-02-2019
Try https://dutchbikeshop.ie/ but again, no experience.
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