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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,187 ✭✭✭TheDavester


    Scrap 2FM and it will not be missed. Useless station playing useless music with useless cocky DJs.

    Today FM/Spin/Red Fm and others around the country are youth orientated stations , another youth station playing generic chart music isnt really needed and 2Fm could easily be scrapped.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    2fm is responsible for about 40% of the deficit

    Is this true?


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,560 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Are the Sunday Independent and RTE the same organisation or something? Constantly have spreads on RTE mega celebs in their magazines. Mariam gets the cover this week. Who on Earth wants to read about that irresponsible (8 kids - planet killer) smug self satisfied gobsh*te?


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Are the Sunday Independent and RTE the same organisation or something? Constantly have spreads on RTE mega celebs in their magazines. Mariam gets the cover this week. Who on Earth wants to read about that irresponsible (8 kids - planet killer) smug self satisfied gobsh*te?

    I mean there's a rotation of stories about these people in the papers. In a few months she'll give an interview again. How much about her is left to find out?


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,392 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Is this true?

    They get several million of license fee each year,have 7% of the radio listenership producing something that is being replicated many time over in this country, not to mention the interwebs.


    They have gone down with the kids recently, presumably to give themselves a seperate identity and a reason to exist.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    If 2FM was growing listeners and was on the uphill trajectory then you could maybe have some sort of argument for keeping it.

    But for many many years now 2FM has been going one way and one way fast. It should have been scrapped 10 years ago but RTE pumped more money into it and it still went one way....

    They hired Jim Jim and whatever the other guy was from 98FM, again big money, gave them a TV show and that was another disaster and had to pay off one of them and the other one is probably still sitting in RTE on some sort of pension

    It has been a catalogue of errors.....should be killed now


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Is this true?

    Kind of is, 2fm get €5- 6 million in funding from the licence fee (this began in around 2012) meaning they are not earning as much as they are taking in, if RTÉ had decided not to give 2fm any licence fee funding it would be loosing about the same amount every year, which is around 40% of their 13m deficit in 2018.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    If 2FM was growing listeners and was on the uphill trajectory then you could maybe have some sort of argument for keeping it.

    But for many many years now 2FM has been going one way and one way fast. It should have been scrapped 10 years ago but RTE pumped more money into it and it still went one way....

    They hired Jim Jim and whatever the other guy was from 98FM, again big money, gave them a TV show and that was another disaster and had to pay off one of them and the other one is probably still sitting in RTE on some sort of pension

    It has been a catalogue of errors.....should be killed now

    The problem with 2fm is that RTÉ have pump Public funds* into the service without any clear date as to when the think it might get back to a breakeven point. 2FM's funding has largely been ring fenced for no apparent reason.

    *since 2011/2012


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Elmo wrote: »
    Kind of is, 2fm get €5- 6 million in funding from the licence fee (this began in around 2012) meaning they are not earning as much as they are taking in, if RTÉ had decided not to give 2fm any licence fee funding it would be loosing about the same amount every year, which is around 40% of their 13m deficit in 2018.

    I find that a bit surprising. I remember Kevin Myers providing a withering overview of RTE's output when they were looking for a big hike in the licence fee early in the century, but reluctantly acknowledging that 2FM wasn't part of the problem as it was self-financing. I realize they have lost their biggest cash cow in the intervening years but I still wonder why their financial position would have deteriorated so drastically.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    I find that a bit surprising. I remember Kevin Myers providing a withering overview of RTE's output when they were looking for a big hike in the licence fee early in the century, but reluctantly acknowledging that 2FM wasn't part of the problem as it was self-financing. I realize they have lost their biggest cash cow in the intervening years but I still wonder why their financial position would have deteriorated so drastically.

    2 things, the Death of Jerry Ryan and the arrival of i-Radio, Spin SW, Red FM and Beat FM.

    Here you have regional stations eating into both Today FM and 2FM, all of which are much young stations, competition that really only took off in the last ten years, 2fm and Today FM kept its aging DJs for a bit too long. Today FM had Iano and The Last Word and seems to have taken on the role over an older audience, though sometimes I'd question that.

    As for Jerry, well he brought in an audience to 2fm, was he worth his pay packet, possibly the only one, though we will never know. (Though Dropping Ian Dempsey back in the day was a bad move).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Elmo wrote: »
    2 things, the Death of Jerry Ryan and the arrival of i-Radio, Spin SW, Red FM and Beat FM.

    Here you have regional stations eating into both Today FM and 2FM, all of which are much young stations, competition that really only took off in the last ten years, 2fm and Today FM kept its aging DJs for a bit too long. Today FM had Iano and The Last Word and seems to have taken on the role over an older audience, though sometimes I'd question that.




    Once Ian left to TodayFM that was the start of the spiral downwards.



    The only thing keeping the numbers up was Gerry. Before and after Gerrys show it was a disaster.



    So we are now 19 years of 2FM not really providing a service to the customer base they are targeting. And 9 years since the death of Gerry and they don't have any show which is high on ratings....


    How long are they going to drag it out?


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Once Ian left to TodayFM that was the start of the spiral downwards.

    In fairness The Full Irish and Breakfast Republic both did help 2fm, RTÉ even though Tubs could take over the role of Gerry, quick moved back to audience getting Radio1 to avoid embarrassment for Tubs on 2fm in Gerry's old slot.

    As I say RTÉ must have had some plan to bring it back to self sufficancy, the question is when do you start to cut when it doesn't happen, I'd have given it maybe 3 years and then cut right across 2fm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,587 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Funny about the camera operators, any live show or paddy's parade they've got no frigging clue, all over the place

    Its not only that, if you watch RTE news or Prime Time for any length of time you'll see them video packages where someone has forgotten to put in the audio or else selected the wrong clip, you'll see guests on the panel and the graphic at the bottom of the screen gets their name wrong, you'll see outside broadcasts drop out visuals or audio mid air. These aren't one offs, they happen all the time. Its rare you see such cock ups on the BBC but in RTE it goes on over and over again because they're not even capable of solving their own incompetence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Its not only that, if you watch RTE news or Prime Time for any length of time you'll see them video packages where someone has forgotten to put in the audio or else selected the wrong clip, you'll see guests on the panel and the graphic at the bottom of the screen gets their name wrong, you'll see outside broadcasts drop out visuals or audio mid air. These aren't one offs, they happen all the time. Its rare you see such cock ups on the BBC but in RTE it goes on over and over again because they're not even capable of solving their own incompetence.

    People who were trained by amateurs, training in new amateurs. Keep it in the family.
    I know of one time when they were stuck for an audio engineer for a show. Couldn't 'find' one. One of the Production Assistants ended up doing it. This is sound for broadcast TV. This is what they'll do rather than advertise to the great unwashed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    People who were trained by amateurs, training in new amateurs. Keep it in the family.
    I know of one time when they were stuck for an audio engineer for a show. Couldn't 'find' one. One of the Production Assistants ended up doing it. This is sound for broadcast TV. This is what they'll do rather than advertise to the great unwashed.

    Surely this goes completely against union rules. Do you know what happened the PA? Did they take up a full time post as an Audio Engineer?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    People who were trained by amateurs, training in new amateurs. Keep it in the family.
    I know of one time when they were stuck for an audio engineer for a show. Couldn't 'find' one. One of the Production Assistants ended up doing it. This is sound for broadcast TV. This is what they'll do rather than advertise to the great unwashed.

    And yet these Champagne Socialists think that they're the champions of the underclass and oppressed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭The Late Late Show


    Today FM/Spin/Red Fm and others around the country are youth orientated stations , another youth station playing generic chart music isnt really needed and 2Fm could easily be scrapped.

    Of course, 2FM isn't needed. Those other 3 stations plus loads more are doing the same flooding the airwaves with noise and they are enough. 2FM is just a more expensive variant of these other stations.

    While this generic chart music has some following, what radio station especially these ones who aim at 'da yoot' fail to comprehend is most people of ALL ages actually hate that sort of music. Variety is one thing off the menu when it comes to RTE and music: it is all this chart stuff, boybands, talent show contestants, modern country music and modern singer songwriters all singing stuff that sounds the same. It is time RTE stop wasting money on things like 2FM playing music only 2% of the population like.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Elmo wrote: »
    Surely this goes completely against union rules. Do you know what happened the PA? Did they take up a full time post as an Audio Engineer?

    I know she continued mixing sound and even didn't like doing it. I've no idea how long it went on for or if she's still at it.
    In my experience the union wouldn't be playing much of a role in job allocation. There was no in-house idle engineer at the time seemingly. TBF I don't think many would have qualifications in any field. Learning the ropes from senior staff.

    I remember a LLS special with former RTE presenters and crew in the audience. I recall one lady talking about how they gave her a job as a presenter on youth programs, 'probably because I had blue hair at the time' she laughed. That's how they gave out jobs. Your wan wasn't even looking to be a presenter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    I remember a LLS special with former RTE presenters and crew in the audience. I recall one lady talking about how they gave her a job as a presenter on youth programs, 'probably because I had blue hair at the time' she laughed. That's how they gave out jobs. Your wan wasn't even looking to be a presenter.

    TBH I don't really have a massive problem with RTÉ hiring presenters from within RTÉ, as long as they can do the job, but if its a case that they can move people from one job to the next without any consent from the Unions why don't they do a complete re-org of their staff.

    Moya Doherty started out as a Clerical Assistant before becoming a Sports Presenter and then on to Riverdance and now chair of RTÉ.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Elmo wrote: »
    TBH I don't really have a massive problem with RTÉ hiring presenters from within RTÉ, as long as they can do the job, but if its a case that they can move people from one job to the next without any consent from the Unions why don't they do a complete re-org of their staff.

    Moya Doherty started out as a Clerical Assistant before becoming a Sports Presenter and then on to Riverdance and now chair of RTÉ.

    But that's were your quality or lack there of, comes from.
    Would they not be better off interviewing people who studied for and want the jobs than grabbing the nearest body?
    They don't do a big re-org because it's about pecking order and who you know. Ryan Tubb's grandfather was controller general of RTE. No coincidence he was plucked from obscurity to do radio spots as a kid. Lottie Ryan and numerous others the same.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Sorry prob off topic but I just hate this sycophantic ****e

    https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2019/0910/1075094-ryan-tubridy-nothing-compares-to-sinead/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Elmo wrote: »

    He's making a meal out of the only talent likely on the show this season.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    He's making a meal out of the only talent likely on the show this season.

    But also this bull****
    In a candid, self-penned essay Ryan Tubridy opens up about watching magic unfold on the new season of The Late Late Show

    Even with Sinead (who is great) its not that ****ing magical.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭Doblin


    Any predictions on the cuts that will be announced?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭jelutong


    A wish list perhaps?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Elmo wrote: »
    But also this bull****



    Even with Sinead (who is great) its not that ****ing magical.

    It's still on the air, that's pretty fantastic ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Elmo wrote: »
    But also this bull****



    Even with Sinead (who is great) its not that ****ing magical.

    I refused to watch it. Sinead is doing her old 'I'm a priest/ rastafarian now' routine... but this time 'I'm a muslim'. Her 'I don't want to hang around white people' was cringey, especially as she was wearing fake tan....and she is white. Like, pale white IRish.

    But what really, really irked me (besides she sang her only hit song, again) is that she spat on the the dead body of Prince when he died... and yet still sings the song he wrote, as the ungrateful individual she truly is.
    Or she uses her mental illness to try and not pay taxes.
    Or go on Dr Phil.

    People trying to pull this 'she's a feminist icon' are literally showing how poisonous that viewpoint has become...
    She plays the victim, she acts the victim. She wants to be the victim...she'd convert to Scientology if she thought it would feed her victimhood.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    It's still on the air, that's pretty fantastic ;)

    Not really, it just shows the willingness of RTE to flog the decaying body of a horse. The LLS started its decline when Gay retired, but RTE are so bereft of ideas they continue to inflict this BS on the schedule.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭The Late Late Show


    Not really, it just shows the willingness of RTE to flog the decaying body of a horse. The LLS started its decline when Gay retired, but RTE are so bereft of ideas they continue to inflict this BS on the schedule.

    Gay Byrne retired from this show because he saw it was already in decline and that by the 1990s, a lot of the magical guests were not coming onto it anymore. Boybands were beginning to dominate the entertainment world and less international guests were coming to Ireland.

    If Gay believed in it, he would have done it for a bit longer as he didn't leave broadcasting as we know. Gay made the right decision and knew this show's time was up. RTE gave it to Pat Kenny, the Saturday night chatshow host.

    By the mid 2000s, this show was truly awful and those who say the rot began with Tubridy have not seen the last 5 or 6 seasons of Kenny's show. The rot began even before Kenny and Gay Byrne knew this and left.

    RTE have continued it for way too long and it has only got worse and worse each year. Kenny probably left it too because of how bad it was. This show has become an extreme borefest nowadays with guests mainly those presenting other RTE shows or featuring on other RTE shows. Think the Brennans, Daniel and Majella, Operation Transformation presenters and candidates, ditto for Dancing with the Stars, Baz, Bannon, Keith Barry, Westlife/Boyzone/Louis Walsh, and a diet of rugby players and boxers.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭The Late Late Show


    Elmo wrote: »
    But also this bull****



    Even with Sinead (who is great) its not that ****ing magical.

    If Tubridy really believes this is magical for the rest of us, he is deluded. Of course, it is very magical for Tubridy himself: it means to him nearly 500K a year so he isn't overly concerned about presenting a show even he knows is cr@p.


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