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Ulster Bank League 2018-2019 Talk/Gossip/Rumours

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  • #92
    Limerick 37.5
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭Limerick 37.5


    Yes 10 teams does provide meaningful rugby, I was suggesting 2 groups of 8, not one league of 16.


  • #93
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Stainalert wrote: »
    Leinster academy players clubs as per last season
    UCD 9
    St Marys 4
    Lansdowne 4
    Clontarf 3
    Terenure 1 
    Trinity 1
    Should have said UCD as well. Mainly UCD. Needs to be far greater spread across all of division 1 including 1B


  • #94
    FellasFellas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭FellasFellas


    There will be a greater spread across the clubs this year. Larmour will be playing no rugby with whatever club he moves to, it will be just a name next to his selection, or he might not bother changing it. Terry Kennedy will also be playing very little 15's surely with his new club.


  • #95
    D14Rugby
    Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    UCD will always have loads of contacted players and fair enough, they're a separate case to just the average club


  • #96
    ArmchairQB
    Registered Users Posts: 958 ✭✭✭ArmchairQB


    Just because a club has an academy player doesn’t means he plays that often usually around 30% of games or less I would say


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  • #97
    RockBoysarewii
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭RockBoysarewii


    Do academy players get told to leave there original clubs to go to a higher standard club?


  • #98
    FellasFellas
    Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭FellasFellas


    RockBoysarewii wrote: »
    Do academy players get told to leave there original clubs to go to a higher standard club?

    If a club gets relegated from 1A and has academy players on its book, Leinster would suggest the players move to 1A clubs in Dublin.


  • #99
    RockBoysarewii
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭RockBoysarewii


    FellasFellas wrote: »
    If a club gets relegated from 1A and has academy players on its book, Leinster would suggest the players move to 1A clubs in Dublin.

    So Mary’s will lose their academy players?


  • #100
    D14Rugby
    Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    FellasFellas wrote: »
    If a club gets relegated from 1A and has academy players on its book, Leinster would suggest the players move to 1A clubs in Dublin.

    A lot of it is actually the players feeling they need to play 1A and since they tend to have no real attachment to the club they find it easy to move without the provience really having to say anything


  • #101
    Limerick 37.5
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭Limerick 37.5


    Academy players can play 1A or 1B in Munster.


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  • #102
    Stainalert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    RockBoysarewii wrote: »
    FellasFellas wrote: »
    If a club gets relegated from 1A and has academy players on its book, Leinster would suggest the players move to 1A clubs in Dublin.

    So Mary’s will lose their academy players?
    Don't think so with the exception of Aungier who I believe has gone to Terenure


  • #103
    Stainalert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    Limerick 37.5 wrote: »
    Academy players can play 1A or 1B in Munster.
    Same applies in Leinster but the general vibe from the Leinster sub academy coaches and academy coaches is that you should play in 1A which can lead to some very short sighted decisions being made. In my opinion it is far more important that a player is in a good rugby environment with good coaching rather than "guaranteed" game time elsewhere in a weaker rugby environment.


  • #104
    Limerick 37.5
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭Limerick 37.5


    What is meant by weaker rugby environment, what clubs are providing a weak environment in 1A? In 1B last year you had OW, OB & Naas from Leinster, which of these would be providing a better rugby environment than the Div 1A clubs. I would have through the 1A clubs would be far superior in this area


  • #105
    Stainalert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    Limerick 37.5 wrote: »
    What is meant by weaker rugby environment, what clubs are providing a weak environment in 1A? In 1B last year you had OW, OB & Naas from Leinster, which of these would be providing a better rugby environment than the Div 1A clubs. I would have through the 1A clubs would be far superior in this area
    Not pointing the finger at any club. Just making the point that being guaranteed playing 1A rugby week in week out shouldn't be the only factor in an academy player choosing a club. A guy might be better off at a particular club if he is getting the specialist coaching he needs as opposed to "guaranteed" playing time.


  • #106
    Limerick 37.5
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭Limerick 37.5


    I agree with you that guaranteed rugby should not be the only factor, but I would have thought that the 1A clubs would have bigger budgets and therefore could attract better coaches, have better facilities etc?


  • #107
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Limerick 37.5 wrote: »
    What is meant by weaker rugby environment, what clubs are providing a weak environment in 1A? In 1B last year you had OW, OB & Naas from Leinster, which of these would be providing a better rugby environment than the Div 1A clubs. I would have through the 1A clubs would be far superior in this area

    There are clubs in 1A who have a pretty poor culture and where the standard of coaching and development is a fair bit below where it could be.


  • #108
    Limerick 37.5
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭Limerick 37.5


    Irishbucsfan, what clubs are these, I am really curious, because I would have assumed that the 1A clubs were well structured, with a standard of coaching, surely they would be found out by other clubs if that was the case. I find this hard to accept. What 1B clubs have high standard of coaching & good culture?


  • #109
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    RockBoysarewii wrote: »
    Do academy players get told to leave there original clubs to go to a higher standard club?
    When you say academy players original clubs? You mean their first club after leaving school as for many it wont be there original club. And yes they do get told to join division 1A clubs and directed to specific clubs in many cases.
    Stainalert wrote: »
    Same applies in Leinster but the general vibe from the Leinster sub academy coaches and academy coaches is that you should play in 1A which can lead to some very short sighted decisions being made. In my opinion it is far more important that a player is in a good rugby environment with good coaching rather than "guaranteed" game time elsewhere in a weaker rugby environment.
    Id totally agree. There is several 1B clubs that Leinster players should be involved with and the coaching and environment can be much better in 1B clubs sometimes.
    Limerick 37.5 wrote: »
    What is meant by weaker rugby environment, what clubs are providing a weak environment in 1A? In 1B last year you had OW, OB & Naas from Leinster, which of these would be providing a better rugby environment than the Div 1A clubs. I would have through the 1A clubs would be far superior in this area
    I wouldnt say 1A would be far superior. Depends on players as well and environment created by them
    Limerick 37.5 wrote: »
    I agree with you that guaranteed rugby should not be the only factor, but I would have thought that the 1A clubs would have bigger budgets and therefore could attract better coaches, have better facilities etc?
    Budgets wouldnt be that much bigger and facilities are not going to be hugely different between 1A/1B clubs.
    Limerick 37.5 wrote: »
    Irishbucsfan, what clubs are these, I am really curious, because I would have assumed that the 1A clubs were well structured, with a standard of coaching, surely they would be found out by other clubs if that was the case. I find this hard to accept. What 1B clubs have high standard of coaching & good culture?
    Not at all. 1A clubs like clubs at any level wont necessarily have good structures in place.
    Dont know too much indepth on too many 1A clubs so cant comment on if clubs are poorly ran or not but its very conceivable for clubs in 1A to be not anywhere near where they should be at.....


  • #110
    D14Rugby
    Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭D14Rugby


    Terenure have lost Alex Thompson as he has signed for Ulster, big loss for them


  • #111
    gilesdebond
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭gilesdebond


    The Munster Senior clubs voted on the new structure. 12 voted against any changes. 2 were in favour and 1 abstained.


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  • #112
    Mc Love
    Registered Users Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    Thats disappointing, surely Nucifora would just make it compulsory and have the clubs follow the party line.


  • #113
    gilesdebond
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭gilesdebond


    I don't think he can. It'll have to be voted in by the clubs.


  • #114
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    gilesdebond wrote: »
    The Munster Senior clubs voted on the new structure. 12 voted against any changes. 2 were in favour and 1 abstained.
    Any idea on who were in favour etc?
    Mc Love wrote: »
    Thats disappointing, surely Nucifora would just make it compulsory and have the clubs follow the party line.
    Not really. clubs have some power still...


  • #115
    gilesdebond
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭gilesdebond


    Cork Con & UCC. Bruff abstained


  • #116
    Stainalert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    Mc Love wrote: »
    Thats disappointing, surely Nucifora would just make it compulsory and have the clubs follow the party line.
    Why do you think it is disappointing?


  • #117
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Yep, loads of power in them clubs. Completely in control of their own future of course


  • #118
    Stainalert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Yep, loads of power in them clubs.  Completely in control of their own future of course
    ?


  • #119
    RockBoysarewii
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭RockBoysarewii


    So nothing changing?


  • #120
    gilesdebond
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭gilesdebond


    RockBoysarewii wrote: »
    So nothing changing?

    The clubs will propose that no changes be made to the current structure. It's also be voted in favour to stay the same in leinster and Ulster


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  • #121
    shoutman
    Registered Users Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭shoutman


    gilesdebond wrote: »
    I don't think he can. It'll have to be voted in by the clubs.

    Seeing as they only need 20 clubs for this - could it not be a case that the IRFU will just invite other clubs, "less successful" clubs, to get involved with this new league?
    Those clubs that reject the new system will then be reduced to a junior club and forced to fight their way back up to the top table.

    Players are going to want to play at the top level, regardless of what the structure is like, I'd think there is very little loyalty from the players to the clubs when it comes to AIL and chasing the dream of getting a provincial contract.


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