The Jumpers are Coming 2018/19

BumperD · 27-10-2018 2:29pm

Tidy performance by Felix Desjy to open its account over hurdles

Fanny Wank · 29-10-2018 10:58am

Samcro stays over hurdles. I'm not all that surprised but I'd personally have preferred he'd gone chasing

https://twitter.com/BetfairRacing/status/1056844471747276801?s=19

kiers47 · 29-10-2018 5:54pm

I think I'd have stayed hurdling myself. He was one of the best novice hurdlers I can remember. Very slick at his hurdles.

madmoose · 29-10-2018 8:16pm

I think Samcro even at this stage will win the CH but on paper it could be decent if all turn up with Buvair, Melon, Summerville Boy and Laurina possibly in the mix come the Spring. Lets hope all get there injury free.

maximo31 · 29-10-2018 9:25pm

maximo31 wrote: »

One I liked the look of 1st time out this season was Pym for Nicky Henderson. Thought he won very well. Henderson and Nicko seemed very pleased on the day too. This was the same race Altior won in 2015. If I recall they were saying the horse had some problems which have been ironed out. Currently available at 33/1 for the Supreme. Don’t think its priced up for anything else…..

Pym entered in the first at Ascot Saturday. Another race won by Altior in 2015. PP only bookie with 33's left now. BetVictor as short as 16/1.
*Actually only 25's with PP too...

kiers47 · 30-10-2018 3:59pm

I see The Worlds End is out in a Novice Chase at Chepstow today. Has some credible opposition to in the shape of Now McGinty. Looks a straight match on paper.
I thought NM would be a bit shorter if im honest but i havent really attempted to size it up. Have been looking mostly at Breeders Cup yesterday and today and probably for the rest of the week.

seoirsem · 30-10-2018 4:43pm

madmoose wrote: »

I think Samcro even at this stage will win the CH but on paper it could be decent if all turn up with Buvair, Melon, Summerville Boy and Laurina possibly in the mix come the Spring. Lets hope all get there injury free.

Wouldn't Laurina get a Mares allowance, 7lbs I think? Would give her a right chance.

kiers47 · 30-10-2018 4:48pm

Laurina is more or less in the juvenile hurdle bracket for me. You'd want to see her do it against some credible opposition in open class before considering her a contender to the likes of Buveur D'air, Samcro, Melon, etc... I mean she has a chance of course but she is pretty much the same price as Melon in places ante post. I couldn't be having that at this stage.

kiers47 · 30-10-2018 4:49pm

kiers47 wrote: »

I see The Worlds End is out in a Novice Chase at Chepstow today. Has some credible opposition to in the shape of Now McGinty. Looks a straight match on paper.
I thought NM would be a bit shorter if im honest but i havent really attempted to size it up. Have been looking mostly at Breeders Cup yesterday and today and probably for the rest of the week.

Great round of jumping by him and also Now McGinty in fairness.

Moon Dice · 30-10-2018 5:25pm

I can't understand how Summerville boy is 14/1 for the champion hurdle. Last year and it stumbled at the last/second last (can't remember exactly) and won impressively. I suppose its liking for bit of soft ground is built into the price but the trainers have said they are going for the CH too so seems big

kiers47 · 30-10-2018 5:35pm

Moon Dice wrote: »

I can't understand how Summerville boy is 14/1 for the champion hurdle. Last year and it stumbled at the last/second last (can't remember exactly) and won impressively. I suppose its liking for bit of soft ground is built into the price but the trainers have said they are going for the CH too so seems big

Ya fair shout. I think he should probably also be ahead of Laurina in the betting.

Slattsy · 30-10-2018 6:38pm

Is Melon staying hurdling?

BumperD · 30-10-2018 7:21pm

Moon Dice wrote: »

I can't understand how Summerville boy is 14/1 for the champion hurdle. Last year and it stumbled at the last/second last (can't remember exactly) and won impressively. I suppose its liking for bit of soft ground is built into the price but the trainers have said they are going for the CH too so seems big

All finished in a heap in that race so will be interesting to see how it works out this season

madmoose · 31-10-2018 7:17am

Slattsy wrote: »

Is Melon staying hurdling?

Yeah

madmoose · 31-10-2018 8:55am

Nicholls RP stable tour here

https://p14.zdusercontent.com/attachment/797597/Doa7aRqpgaHSvDxep4fCba0lF?token=eyJhbGciOiJkaXIiLCJlbmMiOiJBMTI4Q0JDLUhTMjU2In0..Bj71bH4wWq70rLw8etIQPA.IKaTCVzH1Y27se-c-4iL_O9-3yI7RJ2X9KjqMeEencf1ndwkagpnPLqOJ-dRId3C-zoN3A6Ld8vnAHRDIYJOAVWRYqV30ofQfDqnXlHcj-D_6X_DE7Z5Wjp3Yw0AEcbzkK6T7pRw6D4WxG1gaaeqlov8eLpGzRNJthduVIj2YUY1BAzD_7hD11G6qDHBR7PX9rN9k3lOWm0A2iPkkBVujL0pU-1m_W92_7vE7lmsYTKWK1p0aFdnl69D5MGssG-NsPtKbVmYHeacQV8mVRG88A._o97enOkecSTQ5CEsJq0Ug

longshotvalue · 31-10-2018 9:21am

Samcro will make the market for the Champion . I think he is overrated and the champion won't suit him . Only problem is im not sure where the quality in the race is yet..

He could still back into it but he looks a chaser to me .

kiers47 · 31-10-2018 12:32pm

Slattsy wrote: »

Is Melon staying hurdling?

Id imagine so. He is flat bred. I only seen him once in the flesh but he doesn't really have the scope of a horse that would enjoy jumping a fence.

Slattsy · 31-10-2018 1:19pm

madmoose wrote: »

Yeah

kiers47 wrote: »

Id imagine so. He is flat bred. I only seen him once in the flesh but he doesn't really have the scope of a horse that would enjoy jumping a fence.

Good stuff, because he wins the Champion Hurdle :cool:

Pogue eile · 31-10-2018 2:54pm

aidankkk wrote: »

Samcro will make the market for the Champion . I think he is overrated and the champion won't suit him . Only problem is im not sure where the quality in the race is yet..

He could still back into it but he looks a chaser to me .

You dont think the back to back Champion possesses quality?

Auroras_encore · 31-10-2018 3:00pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

You dont think the back to back Champion possesses quality?

back to back champion who's lucky min and altior went chasing straight away

Pogue eile · 31-10-2018 3:28pm

Auroras_encore wrote: »

back to back champion who's lucky min and altior went chasing straight away

True, but that doesn't mean a 169 rated two time Champion Hurdler lacks quality

Auroras_encore · 31-10-2018 3:32pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

True, but that doesn't mean a 169 rated two time Champion Hurdler lacks quality

Don't think anyone's denying beveur dair is a good horse but is just doing a best mate

kiers47 · 31-10-2018 3:49pm

Id have been absolutely shocked if Min stayed hurdling and beat Buveur D'air. Min got by far the best ride in that supreme. In my mind BD was the 2nd best horse.
To call him lucky because other horses went chasing all the same is a bit harsh. You still need to get back fit and well to be a dual CH winner.

RivetingRoger · 31-10-2018 3:53pm

Douvan finished?
Small stress fracture/ligament tear

Horses are like cars
once they start to croak, they rarely make it back to top form

Pogue eile · 31-10-2018 3:59pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Douvan finished?
Small stress fracture/ligament tear

Horses are like cars
once they start to croak, they rarely make it back to top form

Mullins also made a comment about it being his 'good leg' so he obviously now has problems with at least two legs, shame really was confident they could get him back to the top.

Pogue eile · 31-10-2018 4:03pm

Auroras_encore wrote: »

Don't think anyone's denying beveur dair is a good horse but is just doing a best mate

It reminds me a bit of when Hurricane Fly was winning Grade one after Grade one and teh arguement put forward was he was simply beating the same horses over and over and the opposition was poor, sometimes you have to look a little bit further than the opposition to appreciate the strenght of the form.

sweeneed · 31-10-2018 5:01pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

It reminds me a bit of when Hurricane Fly was winning Grade one after Grade one and teh arguement put forward was he was simply beating the same horses over and over and the opposition was poor, sometimes you have to look a little bit further than the opposition to appreciate the strenght of the form.

never got that argument - over the years he beat them all....solwhit, binocular,peddlers cross, zarkander, rock on ruby, jezki, our conor to name a few

RivetingRoger · 31-10-2018 5:07pm

Did fly beat Our Conor?
When?

Jezki had the measure of him for a year or 2, they were titanic battles, albeit at different ends of the age spectrum accepted

was if fairyhouse when they went head to head clear to the last and jezki hit it a whallop???

kiers47 · 31-10-2018 5:14pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Did fly beat Our Conor?
When?

Jezki had the measure of him for a year or 2, they were titanic battles, albeit at different ends of the age spectrum accepted

was if fairyhouse when they went head to head clear to the last and jezki hit it a whallop???

He beat him in the Ryanair and in the Irish CH also in Cheltenham i guess but Our Conor fell that day

sweeneed · 31-10-2018 5:14pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Did fly beat Our Conor?
When?

Jezki had the measure of him for a year or 2, they were titanic battles, albeit at different ends of the age spectrum accepted

was if fairyhouse when they went head to head clear to the last and jezki hit it a whallop???

our conor was in those races with himself and jezki. our connor got a lot closer in the irish champion hurdle i think it was and was probably upward curve for cheltenham where he fell. will never know unfortunately. yes i think it makes it even more impressive coming back and beating jezki who had age on his side. was also leopardstown where jezki clattered the last. he was unbeatable there.

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