The Jumpers are Coming 2018/19

sweeneed wrote: »

never got that argument - over the years he beat them all....solwhit, binocular,peddlers cross, zarkander, rock on ruby, jezki, our conor to name a few

Agree fully but it was repeatedly thrown around

kiers47 wrote: »

1 thing i will say about Hurricane Fly and i would have been a massive fan and his achievements are for sure under appreciated.
The theory that he wasnt right in the Champion that Rock On Ruby won i cant be having what so ever. He was completely undone by the tactics of that race and he never was truly in love with Cheltenham either.

same as kauto star, just shows how good they were when they won twice at the festival, winning the 2 biggest races despite clearly not being in love with the track

paddy no 11 wrote: »

Lads are virgin still showing the big Saturday races, I no longer have itv4 on new sky box or at least can't find other channels. Combined with losing atr from new year onwards I'm not going to be seeing much racing sadly

You can add it on a SKY q box as well . its in settings and manual channels . I watch it every week on a Q box

Chasing it is . lol

Early days still but have just taken Summerville Boy @14s ew with b365 after that.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him go the chase route now. Hard to take any positives other than he got round.

I actually think that everyone has the reading of this race all wrong.

People have said that Samcro did not show a turn of foot at the finish, or that it was slow. I don't think I can agree with that for starters. Bedrock is out of Fastnet Rock and Galileo on the damsire side. When you consider that the race today was run over 2m on good ground with a downhill finish, then in a straight shoot out, a horse like Bedrock is always going to have the speed advantage in terms of breeding, and that is even before we consider the 5lb it had in hand. Not only that, but Bedrock has plenty in the form book that suggests that it would have adapted well to this race. Samcro on the other hand has probably never run on ground this good, or raced on a track with such an easy finish. With any bit of juice in the ground, or any stiffer of a finish and this result would be turned around easily. Even with just a second run, it's possible that Samcro might have turned over Bedrock with the benefit of an extra run.

The next thing I don't agree with is the notion that this race was ran slow. In the G3 race before Samcro's, Sancta Simona which you'd imagine now has designs on the mares novice race at Cheltenham (ie. it's no mug) won in a time of Time: 3m 51.40s (slow by 1.40s). Bedrock won at a time of Time: 3m 43.80s (fast by 6.20s). Even if you discount Sancta Simona (it's just a novice), you can check past graded 2m races at Downroyal. I was not able to find a similar type of race that was run as quick. I don't see anything to suggest that this race was run slow.

So with all that said, I think this was a freak result where Bedrock was put into a race that couldn't possibly have suited it better (fair play to Jardine, he's a genius). However, if you discount that performance and look at Samcro (160 rated) and Sharjah (155 rated) as a pair, and the manner in which Samcro trounced it, I wouldn't be at all disheartened with Samcro. Sharjah after all was race fit, had 8lbs in hand on Samcro, and has a Galway Hurdle under its belt so it had no excuses.

In my opinion, Samcro ran a fine race and it'll beat whatever it meets in the Morgiana.

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I actually think that everyone has the reading of this race all wrong.

People have said that Samcro did not show a turn of foot at the finish, or that it was slow. I don't think I can agree with that for starters. Bedrock is out of Fastnet Rock and Galileo on the damsire side. When you consider that the race today was run over 2m on good ground with a downhill finish, then in a straight shoot out, a horse like Bedrock is always going to have the speed advantage in terms of breeding, and that is even before we consider the 5lb it had in hand. Not only that, but Bedrock has plenty in the form book that suggests that it would have adapted well to this race. Samcro on the other hand has probably never run on ground this good, or raced on a track with such an easy finish. With any bit of juice in the ground, or any stiffer of a finish and this result would be turned around easily. Even with just a second run, it's possible that Samcro might have turned over Bedrock with the benefit of an extra run.

The next thing I don't agree with is the notion that this race was ran slow. In the G3 race before Samcro's, Sancta Simona which you'd imagine now has designs on the mares novice race at Cheltenham (ie. it's no mug) won in a time of Time: 3m 51.40s (slow by 1.40s). Bedrock won at a time of Time: 3m 43.80s (fast by 6.20s). Even if you discount Sancta Simona (it's just a novice), you can check past graded 2m races at Downroyal. I was not able to find a similar type of race that was run as quick. I don't see anything to suggest that this race was run slow.

So with all that said, I think this was a freak result where Bedrock was put into a race that couldn't possibly have suited it better (fair play to Jardine, he's a genius). However, if you discount that performance and look at Samcro (160 rated) and Sharjah (155 rated) as a pair, and the manner in which Samcro trounced it, I wouldn't be at all disheartened with Samcro. Sharjah after all was race fit, had 8lbs in hand on Samcro, and has a Galway Hurdle under its belt so it had no excuses.

In my opinion, Samcro ran a fine race and it'll beat whatever it meets in the Morgiana.

ssshhh, your trying to kill the lovely prices

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I actually think that everyone has the reading of this race all wrong.

People have said that Samcro did not show a turn of foot at the finish, or that it was slow. I don't think I can agree with that for starters. Bedrock is out of Fastnet Rock and Galileo on the damsire side. When you consider that the race today was run over 2m on good ground with a downhill finish, then in a straight shoot out, a horse like Bedrock is always going to have the speed advantage in terms of breeding, and that is even before we consider the 5lb it had in hand. Not only that, but Bedrock has plenty in the form book that suggests that it would have adapted well to this race. Samcro on the other hand has probably never run on ground this good, or raced on a track with such an easy finish. With any bit of juice in the ground, or any stiffer of a finish and this result would be turned around easily. Even with just a second run, it's possible that Samcro might have turned over Bedrock with the benefit of an extra run.

The next thing I don't agree with is the notion that this race was ran slow. In the G3 race before Samcro's, Sancta Simona which you'd imagine now has designs on the mares novice race at Cheltenham (ie. it's no mug) won in a time of Time: 3m 51.40s (slow by 1.40s). Bedrock won at a time of Time: 3m 43.80s (fast by 6.20s). Even if you discount Sancta Simona (it's just a novice), you can check past graded 2m races at Downroyal. I was not able to find a similar type of race that was run as quick. I don't see anything to suggest that this race was run slow.

So with all that said, I think this was a freak result where Bedrock was put into a race that couldn't possibly have suited it better (fair play to Jardine, he's a genius). However, if you discount that performance and look at Samcro (160 rated) and Sharjah (155 rated) as a pair, and the manner in which Samcro trounced it, I wouldn't be at all disheartened with Samcro. Sharjah after all was race fit, had 8lbs in hand on Samcro, and has a Galway Hurdle under its belt so it had no excuses.

In my opinion, Samcro ran a fine race and it'll beat whatever it meets in the Morgiana.

Is that you Gordon???????

Balko ran like an absolute drain there. Huge drifter beforehand too

TheTorment wrote: »

Douvan out for this season according to Mr Mullins

https://www.irishracing.com/news?headline=Douvan-likely-to-miss-whole-campaign&prid=195210

Such spoofers aswell saying it was "the good leg", then coming out with the truth "It’s the same leg that he had a problem with last year. It’s the tendon on the back of the pastern, which is a fairly rare injury."

He should be retired.

ASOT wrote: »

Such spoofers aswell saying it was "the good leg", then coming out with the truth "It’s the same leg that he had a problem with last year. It’s the tendon on the back of the pastern, which is a fairly rare injury."

He should be retired.

Why would he be retired . That makes no sense .

It's terrible luck with him in particular . He showed enough last year to suggest he has plenty of talent still .

aidankkk wrote: »

Why would he be retired . That makes no sense .

It's terrible luck with him in particular . He showed enough last year to suggest he has plenty of talent still .

Nothing to do with talent Aidan but to save him from further injury, especially if this injury keeps reappearing.