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road_high · 21-12-2018 8:51pm

Very telling what Minister Stanton said about the rate of Refugee applications rising significantly. Being RTÉ this was glossed over, naturally.
If our system is so bad and harsh why are the rates rising? Granted there’s a lot of upheaval in the world but I have a fair inclination to believe we are seeing more and more economic migrants coming under the refugee guise.
The fact we accept “refugees” from South Africa of all places severely undermines the integrity of the system and process.

Mad_maxx · 21-12-2018 9:14pm

hill16bhoy wrote: »

No, just home truths.

I'd say the 2015 same sex marriage referendum and the 2018 referendum on the 8th Amendment are pretty indisputable proof that the majority don't share his views.

As is pretty much every election in Ireland for yonks.

"Conservatives" have a massive platform in the Irish media.

It's nobody else's fault except their own that their "arguments" are so transparently disingenuous, turgid and/or boorish that they just serve to push people well away from their views.

None of them seem to know what it is they're complaining about, or if they know, they have a total inability to be honest about what it is they're complaining about.

However there have a few high profile Irish "conservative" voices who have strayed into honesty.

Kevin Myers strayed into honesty when he called single mothers "mothers of bastards" and then resorted to anti-semitic stereotypes.

John Waters strayed into honesty when he engaged in rampant homophobic abuse and basically called for a Catholic theocracy.

George Hook strayed into honesty when he implied there was no such thing as marital rape and then blamed a rape victim for her own rape on air.

Gemma O'Doherty has recently strayed into honesty. She also outed herself as a reving anti-semite, an anti-vax crank, and a borderline neo-Nazi in the process.

These four "conservative voices" strayed into honesty. And they're telling cases about why most conservatives are so frequently dishonest in their "arguments".

It's because when "conservatives" are honest, their views turn out to be utterly abhorrent and toxic, and ones which any reasonable person wouldn't touch with a 40 foot pole.

"Conservatives have a massive platform in the Irish media"

FFS, bolsheveiks have a bigger platform despite PBP on about 2%

JohnMc1 · 21-12-2018 9:16pm

I would love to know where Conservatives have such a much platform in irish Media. RTE is nothing but Champagne Socialists.

road_high · 21-12-2018 9:20pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

"Conservatives have a massive platform in the Irish media"

FFS, bolsheveiks have a bigger platform despite PBP on about 2%

Ireland has a very weak right wing press. We are bombarded nightly with “homeless” sob stories and fussy feel good refugee stories. No one ever ever asks where the funding comes from (ie hardworking taxpayers pay packets) to pay for and support the endless steam of bleedin hearts and their followers. Rationale and right has been drowned out completely, if you dare question the cosy concenus you’re either racist or evil.

batgoat · 21-12-2018 9:26pm

The tonight show on tv3 tends to have right wingers on all the time.... The reality is they're invariably morons. There's a reason Renua polls between 0 and 1%.

Mad_maxx · 21-12-2018 9:57pm

batgoat wrote: »

The tonight show on tv3 tends to have right wingers on all the time.... The reality is they're invariably morons. There's a reason Renua polls between 0 and 1%.

Either matt Cooper shouts them down or colette browne (on the panel) is let step in as a third presenter and calls them racist, the same hack recently made the astonishing rebuke to Kevin sharkey

"there is no evidence of any African gangs causing problems in West Dublin"

road_high · 21-12-2018 10:07pm

batgoat wrote: »

The tonight show on tv3 tends to have right wingers on all the time.... The reality is they're invariably morons. There's a reason Renua polls between 0 and 1%.

We don’t have a proper right. I mean fiscally conservative right- the “right” we have ate invariably religious whack jobs and fruit loops. PDs were probably closest to what you could call a proper right but look what happened them. FG have a strong economic right but certainly drowned by Leo and his populist agenda at the moment

hill16bhoy · 21-12-2018 10:10pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

"Conservatives have a massive platform in the Irish media"

FFS, bolsheveiks have a bigger platform despite PBP on about 2%

Sure all you far right extremists claim to never watch or read the "mainstream media", so how on earth would you know?

hill16bhoy · 21-12-2018 10:19pm

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road_high wrote: »

We don’t have a proper right. I mean fiscally conservative right- the “right” we have ate invariably religious whack jobs and fruit loops. PDs were probably closest to what you could call a proper right but look what happened them. FG have a strong economic right but certainly drowned by Leo and his populist agenda at the moment

Look what happened to them?

They collapsed due to lack of support.

The same reason Renua never got off the ground.

There is no appetite for an economically far right party like that in Ireland.

It's unlikely to happen either because there's a very high crossover between those who have far right-wing views in economic terms and "religious whack jobs and fruit loops", as you put it. Renua is proof of that.

And "libertarianism" has never been much of thing outside of internet forums.

pearcider · 21-12-2018 10:31pm

amcalester wrote: »

What the **** is a wall going to do? We’re on an island ffs.

It is after hours after all. Clearly I know we’re an island and thank god for that. Probably one of the reasons Dublin has avoided the ghettoes that plague cities in France and the U.K. and now Germany. So far.

The wall I am referring to is our administrative one ie our immigration and asylum policy. We have built a lovely little country here over the past 100 years. Let’s not ruin it by letting in hordes of Muslims and Africans who have no education and don’t share our culture and values but will certainly have no problem banging out 6-12 kids courtesy of our welfare state. A good idea would be what the Brits are trying to do now. Albeit when you visit Luton or Coventry the phrase bolting the stable door comes to mind!! Basically their view is sure you can get a visa if you have a job that pays 30k. This allows us to get the educated migrants and forget the rest. Why is every debate in our cowardly media framed that it is somehow Ireland problem to feed educate and clothe potentially hundreds of millions of african men. No mention of the fact we can’t afford to educate and house our own people!! I didn’t sign up for that and my kids didn’t sign up for that either. If the do gooders and champagne socialists want to help them out let them feck off to Africa and do it. Leave our country out of it.

Wibbs · 21-12-2018 10:34pm

hill16bhoy wrote: »

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And "libertarianism" has never been much of thing outside of internet forums.

Thank Christ.

Mad_maxx · 22-12-2018 12:25am

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Sure all you far right extremists claim to never watch or read the "mainstream media", so how on earth would you know?

Anyone who uses the term "far right" to describe anyone involved in politics in Ireland is dumber than a bag of hair.

Sciprio · 22-12-2018 2:00am

We need to be careful on who is coming into this country. Genuine cases are fine but we shouldn't be open to any and everything.

Special Forces retake cargo ship after migrants threaten staff (UK)

https://news.sky.com/story/special-forces-storm-cargo-ship-after-migrants-threatened-staff-11588563

hill16bhoy · 22-12-2018 3:03am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Anyone who uses the term "far right" to describe anyone involved in politics in Ireland is dumber than a bag of hair.

Paul Mason estimates that in any country, at least 10% of the population are simply "fascist bastards".

Peter Casey blatantly played from the far right playbook in the presidential election and got 23% on a very low turnout. Generalised vilification of an ethnic group is bona fide far right - it's no different in principle to what happened in 1930s Germany.

There is a latent far right tendency in Ireland but it has so far been kept pretty much under wraps in party politics.

We thankfully don't have much of a far right presence in everyday politics because i) normal, reasonable Irish people reject far right politics and ii) the type of people who are far right by nature tend to be of very low calibre - poor speakers, utterly incompetent and useless, have terrible policies, and thus make terrible politicians.

What Ireland certainly does have is a vocal and far outsized far right presence on internet forums and the likes.

I'd venture that the vast majority of far right cranks are constantly polluting forums like this and others in an effort to portray their views as more common than they actually are in real life, i) in an effort to gain electoral popularity and ii) because they have nothing better to do, most of them being unhappy single males who have never had sex and have pretty much no hope of ever doing so.

WinnyThePoo · 22-12-2018 3:17am

Kivaro wrote: »

batgoat wrote: »

......he holds incredibly racist views.

Even the defense of your inconsistencies has inconsistencies.
And then you use the racism claim.

I find that one cannot have a rational discussion with someone who keep using words like racism, far right, alt right, right wing etc. as part of their counterargument. It usually just shows the lack of intellect in a topic.
The good news is that there is an ignore list, and you are its newest member.

John is an out and out racist. Who's opinions are akin with those of bat **** Muslim extremist preachers.

Here's a tip. Don't be John.

Will I Am Not · 22-12-2018 4:12am

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Paul Mason estimates that in any country, at least 10% of the population are simply "fascist bastards".

Peter Casey blatantly played from the far right playbook in the presidential election and got 23% on a very low turnout. Generalised vilification of an ethnic group is bona fide far right - it's no different in principle to what happened in 1930s Germany.

There is a latent far right tendency in Ireland but it has so far been kept pretty much under wraps in party politics.

We thankfully don't have much of a far right presence in everyday politics because i) normal, reasonable Irish people reject far right politics and ii) the type of people who are far right by nature tend to be of very low calibre - poor speakers, utterly incompetent and useless, have terrible policies, and thus make terrible politicians.

What Ireland certainly does have is a vocal and far outsized far right presence on internet forums and the likes.

I'd venture that the vast majority of far right cranks are constantly polluting forums like this and others in an effort to portray their views as more common than they actually are in real life, i) in an effort to gain electoral popularity and ii) because they have nothing better to do, most of them being unhappy single males who have never had sex and have pretty much no hope of ever doing so.

Sort of like those creeps that hang around the twitter accounts of Louise O’Neill and her ilk, apologising for being men and promising to fight the patriarchy in a desperate bid for acceptance from the opposite sex?

It’s almost like both sides are similar or something...

Mad_maxx · 22-12-2018 9:40am

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Paul Mason estimates that in any country, at least 10% of the population are simply "fascist bastards".

Peter Casey blatantly played from the far right playbook in the presidential election and got 23% on a very low turnout. Generalised vilification of an ethnic group is bona fide far right - it's no different in principle to what happened in 1930s Germany.

There is a latent far right tendency in Ireland but it has so far been kept pretty much under wraps in party politics.

We thankfully don't have much of a far right presence in everyday politics because i) normal, reasonable Irish people reject far right politics and ii) the type of people who are far right by nature tend to be of very low calibre - poor speakers, utterly incompetent and useless, have terrible policies, and thus make terrible politicians.

What Ireland certainly does have is a vocal and far outsized far right presence on internet forums and the likes.

I'd venture that the vast majority of far right cranks are constantly polluting forums like this and others in an effort to portray their views as more common than they actually are in real life, i) in an effort to gain electoral popularity and ii) because they have nothing better to do, most of them being unhappy single males who have never had sex and have pretty much no hope of ever doing so.

Are you saying Peter casey is "far right"?

Kivaro · 22-12-2018 10:22am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Are you saying Peter casey is "far right"?

Lads, any chance of not quoting him.
I have him on ignore and don't want to see the usual "far right" spiel if anybody disagrees with his warped view of life. When he gets older and gets a job, a real job, he will see the light. And that light will get brighter in correlation with the amount of taxes siphoned from his wage packet.

I see that he exhibited psychological projection on his last post when he brought sex into the discussion. Something I see a lot with these types of posters. Sad really.

Mad_maxx · 22-12-2018 11:25am

Kivaro wrote: »

Lads, any chance of not quoting him.
I have him on ignore and don't want to see the usual "far right" spiel if anybody disagrees with his warped view of life. When he gets older and gets a job, a real job, he will see the light. And that light will get brighter in correlation with the amount of taxes siphoned from his wage packet.

I see that he exhibited psychological projection on his last post when he brought sex into the discussion. Something I see a lot with these types of posters. Sad really.

Peter casey asked what much of the population also wondered.

Why perfectly good houses were being turned down, he struck a blow for those the left wing media despise, the middle Ireland tax payer.

If that makes someone far right, I'm fine being called the same

weldoninhio · 22-12-2018 11:37am

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

We already have ghettos. You may not see them as that because they don't mainly contain black people.
We need to suck at the EU teat because that's where we get money.
Leo, etc. are the reason we are not self sustaining, of course they won't question anything they are told to do by the EU.

So what's the next option? Burn down anything zoned for immigrant housing? Spout utter sh*te about Luciferian worshipping Zionist controllers?

We are a net contributor to the EU now. We give them more money than they give us.

road_high · 22-12-2018 12:37pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

We are a net contributor to the EU now. We give them more money than they give us.

Haven’t been for some time either. But it’s fine as the main economic benefits aren’t so easily quantifiable as counting grant aid- the benefit for us is free market access and all the benefits that brings

hill16bhoy · 22-12-2018 1:10pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Are you saying Peter casey is "far right"?

If you campaign on a nakedly far right platform, yes, you're absolutely far right.

Generalised vilification of an ethnic group is automatically far right. It's textbook far right.

That applies to 1930s Germany, 1960s Alabama, Australia at least up to the 1960s, 1990s Yugoslavia, 1990s Rwanda, 2000s Iraq and 2010s Ireland.

Casey campaigned on a nakedly far right platform, thus is far right.

It's pretty easy to understand.

hill16bhoy · 22-12-2018 1:18pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Peter casey asked what much of the population also wondered.

Why perfectly good houses were being turned down, he struck a blow for those the left wing media despise, the middle Ireland tax payer.

If that makes someone far right, I'm fine being called the same

I think that was pretty obvious.

Mad_maxx · 22-12-2018 1:27pm

hill16bhoy wrote: »

If you campaign on a nakedly far right platform, yes, you're absolutely far right.

Generalised vilification of an ethnic group is automatically far right. It's textbook far right.

That applies to 1930s Germany, 1960s Alabama, Australia at least up to the 1960s, 1990s Yugoslavia, 1990s Rwanda, 2000s Iraq and 2010s Ireland.

Casey campaigned on a nakedly far right platform, thus is far right.

It's pretty easy to understand.

So it's more serious if you criticise a group with ethnic status?

Does that mean if he had said the same in 2011 during that presidential election, he could not be classed as "far right", afterall travellers did not have ethnic minority status in 2011.

road_high · 22-12-2018 1:48pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

So it's more serious if you criticise a group with ethnic status?

Does that mean if he had said the same in 2011 during that presidential election, he could not be classed as "far right", afterall travellers did not have ethnic minority status in 2011.

It’s not ethnic status- it’s a concept dreamed up to make the usual do gooders feel all warm and fussy inside. Travellers are merely the conduit for their latest backslapping exercise

hill16bhoy · 22-12-2018 1:52pm

road_high wrote: »

It’s not ethnic status- it’s a concept dreamed up to make the usual do gooders feel all warm and fussy inside. Travellers are merely the conduit for their latest backslapping exercise

You're arguing against reality here.

Travellers are specifically an ethnic group and it's recognised in law.

But sure I wouldn't expect anything else from a far right numbnut than to argue against reality.

Arguing against reality is what your whole worldview is based on.

Will I Am Not · 22-12-2018 1:53pm

Embarrassing stuff here :rolleyes:

hill16bhoy · 22-12-2018 1:54pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

So it's more serious if you criticise a group with ethnic status?

Does that mean if he had said the same in 2011 during that presidential election, he could not be classed as "far right", afterall travellers did not have ethnic minority status in 2011.

Vilifying any distinct group in society is far right.

Gay people, for instance, don't have ethnic status.

Generalised vilification of gay people is also textbook far right.

Will I Am Not · 22-12-2018 1:56pm

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Vilifying any distinct group in society is far right.

Gay people, for instance, don't have ethnic status.

Generalised vilification of gay people is also textbook far right.

So if a gay rights, pro-abortion, pro-immigration activist held the same views as Peter Casey on travellers... they’re far right?

Mad_maxx · 22-12-2018 1:58pm

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Vilifying any distinct group in society is far right.

Gay people, for instance, don't have ethnic status.

Generalised vilification of gay people is also textbook far right.

What about people who otherwise are all in favour of marriage equality, abortion etc but who cannot stand travellers.

Are those people "far right"

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