6 Nations 2019 Build Up thread

twinytwo · 14-01-2019 3:10pm

shootermacg wrote: »

I think Ireland will have to beat Wales because I don't really see them losing to anyone else this year...maybe England..

I wouldnt go getting too far ahead of ourselves. We now have a target on our backs, everyone is going to have a go.

We need to set down a serious marker against england in round 1.

troyzer · 14-01-2019 3:17pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

I'm fairly sure yeah. They are just "test matches" that happen to be doubling as warm ups.

I just ran through them again.

New Zealand don't really have any warm ups. They just have the rugby championship and then an extra game against Argentina and Samoa. Neither of which are worth anything in the rankings.

Basically, New Zealand are 1.37 points ahead and can obtain a maximum of 0.43 points (blowout win in Australia) before the world cup.

Ireland can obtain a maximum of 2.25 points by the end of the Six Nations which would be a grand slam whilst annihilating everyone. A grand slam is worth a minimum of 1.47 points. If we have bare minimum wins against everyone and lose to Wales by a small amount, we'll finish 0.59 down on our current position.

The permutations become really complication after that and you can't really calculate anything until we know where the rankings are after the Six Nations but the most important thing is that New Zealand can't make any real gains between now and the world cup. They can only really stand still or lose points.

Dog Botherer · 14-01-2019 7:55pm

https://twitter.com/_alexbywater/status/1084882503935111168?s=21

Wales will be absolutely fuming with Bath. Rushed back for a dead rubber.

Podge_irl · 14-01-2019 8:12pm

Are you really more likely to re-break a bone from being "rushed back"?

****ty things happen - look at SOB. Doesn't necessarily mean anyone is at fault.

Dog Botherer · 14-01-2019 8:21pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

Are you really more likely to re-break a bone from being "rushed back"?

****ty things happen - look at SOB. Doesn't necessarily mean anyone is at fault.

Well yeah, a reoccurrence of an injury that you were recovering from is likely due to not being fully healed.

14-01-2019 8:26pm

Dog Botherer wrote: »

https://twitter.com/_alexbywater/status/1084882503935111168?s=21

Wales will be absolutely fuming with Bath. Rushed back for a dead rubber.

He needed gametime. No more prem games until mid Feb.

thomond2006 · 16-01-2019 11:05am

Scotland squad:

Props: Alex Allan (Glasgow Warriors), Allan Dell (Edinburgh), Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow); Simon Berghan (Edinburgh), Willem Nel (Edinburgh), D'Arcy Rae (Glasgow Warriors).
Hookers: Dave Cherry (Edinburgh), Stuart McInally (Edinburgh), Jake Kerr (Leicester Tigers), Grant Stewart (Glasgow Warriors).
Locks: Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh), Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors) Sam Skinner (Exeter Chiefs), Tim Swinson (Glasgow warriors), Ben Toolis (Edinburgh).
Back row: Adam Ashe (Glasgow Warriors), Gary Graham (Newcastle), John Hardie (Newcastle), Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh), Josh Strauss (Sale Sharks), Hamish Watson (Edinburgh), Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors).

Back three: Darcy Graham (Edinburgh), Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors), Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors), Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh), Sean Maitland (Saracens), Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors)
Centres: Chris Dean (Edinburgh), Nick Grigg (Glasgow Warriors), Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons), Peter Horne (Glasgow Warriors), Sam Johnson (Glasgow Warriors), Huw Jones (Glasgow Warriors).
Fly-halves: Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors), Finn Russell (Racing 92).
Scrum-halves: George Horne (Glasgow Warriors), Greig Laidlaw (Clermont Auvergne), Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors).

troyzer · 16-01-2019 11:07am

thomond2006 wrote: »

Scotland squad:

Props: Alex Allan (Glasgow Warriors), Allan Dell (Edinburgh), Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow); Simon Berghan (Edinburgh), Willem Nel (Edinburgh), D'Arcy Rae (Glasgow Warriors).
Hookers: Dave Cherry (Edinburgh), Stuart McInally (Edinburgh), Jake Kerr (Leicester Tigers), Grant Stewart (Glasgow Warriors).
Locks: Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh), Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors) Sam Skinner (Exeter Chiefs), Tim Swinson (Glasgow warriors), Ben Toolis (Edinburgh).
Back row: Adam Ashe (Glasgow Warriors), Gary Graham (Newcastle), John Hardie (Newcastle), Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh), Josh Strauss (Sale Sharks), Hamish Watson (Edinburgh), Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors).

Back three: Darcy Graham (Edinburgh), Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors), Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors), Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh), Sean Maitland (Saracens), Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors)
Centres: Chris Dean (Edinburgh), Nick Grigg (Glasgow Warriors), Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons), Peter Horne (Glasgow Warriors), Sam Johnson (Glasgow Warriors), Huw Jones (Glasgow Warriors).
Fly-halves: Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors), Finn Russell (Racing 92).
Scrum-halves: George Horne (Glasgow Warriors), Greig Laidlaw (Clermont Auvergne), Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors).

Only two fly halves?

Buer · 16-01-2019 11:09am

Horne and Laidlaw have both played internationally at 10.

Squidgy Black · 16-01-2019 12:12pm

Buer wrote: »

Horne and Laidlaw have both played internationally at 10.

And Hogg in a pinch.

Buer · 16-01-2019 12:15pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

And Hogg in a pinch.

I've tried to forget that.

troyzer · 16-01-2019 12:18pm

Buer wrote: »

Horne and Laidlaw have both played internationally at 10.

Still seems a bit thin to only have two dedicated fly halves.

Paul Smeenus · 16-01-2019 12:56pm

Seven debutants. You'd have to wonder, if this is with one eye on the RWC, whether Townie has left it too late to introduce these guys. They won't have a great deal of international rugby under their belt by September.

Buer · 16-01-2019 1:08pm

troyzer wrote: »

Still seems a bit thin to only have two dedicated fly halves.

Edinburgh don't have a Scottish outhalf. Glasgow's outhalf, Hastings is named as is Finn Russell. Peter Horne is the back up Glasgow outhalf. The other outhalf in the Glasgow squad isn't Scottish

The only other option would have been to call up Duncan Weir from Worcester and they know he's not up to it.

Webbs · 16-01-2019 4:34pm

Wales' Six Nations squad

Wales: Fowards: Rob Evans (Scarlets), Wyn Jones (Scarlets), Nicky Smith (Ospreys), Elliot Dee (Dragons), Ryan Elias (Scarlets), Ken Owens (Scarlets), Leon Brown (Dragons), Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs), Samson Lee (Scarlets), Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Blues), Jake Ball (Scarlets), Adam Beard (Ospreys), Seb Davies (Cardiff Blues),Cory Hill (Dragons), Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys, capt), Ross Moriarty (Dragons), Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues), Justin Tipuric (Ospreys),Josh Turnbull (Cardiff Blues), Aaron Wainwright (Dragons), Thomas Young (Wasps).

Backs: Aled Davies (Ospreys), Gareth Davies (Scarlets), Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues), Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues), Dan Biggar (Northampton), Jarrod Evans (Cardiff Blues), Rhys Patchell (Scarlets), Jonathan Davies (Scarlets), Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets),Owen Watkin (Ospreys), Scott Williams (Ospreys), Josh Adams (Worcester), Hallam Amos (Dragons), Steffan Evans (Scarlets), Leigh Halfpenny (Scarlets), Jonah Holmes (Leicester), George North (Ospreys), Liam Williams (Saracens).

troyzer · 16-01-2019 4:38pm

Webbs wrote: »

Wales' Six Nations squad

Wales: Fowards: Rob Evans (Scarlets), Wyn Jones (Scarlets), Nicky Smith (Ospreys), Elliot Dee (Dragons), Ryan Elias (Scarlets), Ken Owens (Scarlets), Leon Brown (Dragons), Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs), Samson Lee (Scarlets), Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Blues), Jake Ball (Scarlets), Adam Beard (Ospreys), Seb Davies (Cardiff Blues),Cory Hill (Dragons), Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys, capt), Ross Moriarty (Dragons), Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues), Justin Tipuric (Ospreys),Josh Turnbull (Cardiff Blues), Aaron Wainwright (Dragons), Thomas Young (Wasps).

Backs: Aled Davies (Ospreys), Gareth Davies (Scarlets), Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues), Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues), Dan Biggar (Northampton), Jarrod Evans (Cardiff Blues), Rhys Patchell (Scarlets), Jonathan Davies (Scarlets), Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets),Owen Watkin (Ospreys), Scott Williams (Ospreys), Josh Adams (Worcester), Hallam Amos (Dragons), Steffan Evans (Scarlets), Leigh Halfpenny (Scarlets), Jonah Holmes (Leicester), George North (Ospreys), Liam Williams (Saracens).

Halfpenny out then. Really sad.

Buer · 16-01-2019 4:49pm

Backs: Aled Davies (Ospreys), Gareth Davies (Scarlets), Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues), Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues), Dan Biggar (Northampton), Jarrod Evans (Cardiff Blues), Rhys Patchell (Scarlets), Jonathan Davies (Scarlets), Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets),Owen Watkin (Ospreys), Scott Williams (Ospreys), Josh Adams (Worcester), Hallam Amos (Dragons), Steffan Evans (Scarlets), Leigh Halfpenny (Scarlets), Jonah Holmes (Leicester), George North (Ospreys), Liam Williams (Saracens).

Mr Tickle · 16-01-2019 4:56pm

troyzer wrote: »

Halfpenny out then. Really sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBxMPqxJGqI

Squidgy Black · 16-01-2019 4:59pm

troyzer wrote: »

Halfpenny out then. Really sad.

He's still there. Will miss the first week.

troyzer · 16-01-2019 5:02pm

I'm blind.

Burkie1203 · 16-01-2019 5:21pm

Buer wrote: »

Backs: Aled Davies (Ospreys), Gareth Davies (Scarlets), Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues), Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues), Dan Biggar (Northampton), Jarrod Evans (Cardiff Blues), Rhys Patchell (Scarlets), Jonathan Davies (Scarlets), Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets),Owen Watkin (Ospreys), Scott Williams (Ospreys), Josh Adams (Worcester), Hallam Amos (Dragons), Steffan Evans (Scarlets), Leigh Halfpenny (Scarlets), Jonah Holmes (Leicester), George North (Ospreys), Liam Williams (Saracens).

RWC year. Even if he might not play in 6n he would be part if their plans for RWC so including him makes sense

sydthebeat · 16-01-2019 5:59pm

only 5 dragons players, and only one of them a starter (due to falatau injury) and another a possible bencher (hill)

they really are a basket case

errlloyd · 16-01-2019 6:18pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

only 5 dragons players, and only one of them a starter (due to falatau injury) and another a possible bencher (hill)

they really are a basket case

Are there only 5 Connacht players in the Ireland team? And they don't even have to compete with players abroad?

sydthebeat · 16-01-2019 6:23pm

errlloyd wrote: »

Are there only 5 Connacht players in the Ireland team? And they don't even have to compete with players abroad?

Yes but no Welsh team is standing out and doing well in their league or Europe, whereas leinster and Munster are among the four best in europe....so connacht players have a higher ceiling to meet.

errlloyd · 16-01-2019 6:34pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Yes but no Welsh team is standing out and doing well in their league or Europe, whereas leinster and Munster are among the four best in europe....so connacht players have a higher ceiling to meet.

Yeah but they have 6 non region players in that squad. I mean the Dragons are a basket case, but I don't think their lack of Welsh selection is really related.

17-01-2019 1:26pm

England squad for Ireland Test

Forwards
Jack Clifford (Harlequins)
Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers)
Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)
Tom Curry (Sale Sharks)
Ben Earl (Saracens) *
Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers)
Jamie George (Saracens)
Nathan Hughes (Wasps)
Maro Itoje (Saracens)
George Kruis (Saracens)
Joe Launchbury (Wasps)
Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints)
Ben Moon (Exeter Chiefs)
Brad Shields (Wasps)
Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
Jack Singleton (Worcester Warriors) *
Billy Vunipola (Saracens)
Mako Vunipola (Saracens)
Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs)
Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)

Backs
Chris Ashton (Sale Sharks)
Mike Brown (Harlequins)
Joe Cokanasiga (Bath Rugby)
Elliot Daly (Wasps)
Ollie Devoto (Exeter Chiefs)
Owen Farrell (Saracens) captain
George Ford (Leicester Tigers)
Jonny May (Leicester Tigers)
Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs)
Dan Robson (Wasps) *
Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)
Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors)
Ollie Thorley (Gloucester Rugby) *
Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers)
Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

*Uncapped

Players unavailable due to injury
Piers Francis (Northampton Saints)
Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints)
Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby)
Chris Robshaw (Harlequins)
Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby)
Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby)

17-01-2019 1:28pm

Ashton, Tuilagi and Vunipola could cause problems

troyzer · 17-01-2019 1:29pm

Deleted User wrote: »

England squad for Ireland Test

Forwards
Jack Clifford (Harlequins)
Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers)
Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)
Tom Curry (Sale Sharks)
Ben Earl (Saracens) *
Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers)
Jamie George (Saracens)
Nathan Hughes (Wasps)
Maro Itoje (Saracens)
George Kruis (Saracens)
Joe Launchbury (Wasps)
Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints)
Ben Moon (Exeter Chiefs)
Brad Shields (Wasps)
Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
Jack Singleton (Worcester Warriors) *
Billy Vunipola (Saracens)
Mako Vunipola (Saracens)
Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs)
Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)

Backs
Chris Ashton (Sale Sharks)
Mike Brown (Harlequins)
Joe Cokanasiga (Bath Rugby)
Elliot Daly (Wasps)
Ollie Devoto (Exeter Chiefs)
Owen Farrell (Saracens) captain
George Ford (Leicester Tigers)
Jonny May (Leicester Tigers)
Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs)
Dan Robson (Wasps) *
Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)
Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors)
Ollie Thorley (Gloucester Rugby) *
Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers)
Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

*Uncapped

Players unavailable due to injury
Piers Francis (Northampton Saints)
Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints)
Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby)
Chris Robshaw (Harlequins)
Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby)
Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby)

Would have loved to see James Haskell back in the mix even if it was never going to happen.

Squidgy Black · 17-01-2019 1:34pm

Robson over Care is such a weird call. I'll never understand what goes on in Eddie's head.

troyzer · 17-01-2019 1:36pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Robson over Care is such a weird call. I'll never understand what goes on in Eddie's head.

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