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The war on meat

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  • #32
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    That was either one slow mouse or you're like a ninja with a sledgehammer.

    Neither. It was in a plastic bench/outdoor storage box. I removed most of what was in it and poured water in it then whacked the only places it had left. It was really horrible. Kept getting stuck in corners and staring at me. Then when I finally hit it it wasn't clean and I had to hit it a couple of times before I got its head and it stopped twitching. Feel bad thinking about it. Definitely more humane ways of getting rid of a mouse. Was concerned about pathogens though, so I didn't want it to escape so I just did the first thing I thought of.


  • #33
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    They lost me at climate change.


  • #34
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    In non western countries (with probable exception of India for some religious sects) if you asked for a main meal without meat, they'd look at you as if you had two heads.
    The veganism craic is just the latest Western food fad/pseudoreligion.

    I agree. It's like some form of bizarre self flagellation that many western countries have about animal farming and eating meat claiming 'western diets are totally unsustainable' (sic) 

    For example - Ethiopia is home to one of the largest livestock populations in Africa. According to government statistics, there are approximately 50 million cattle, 50 million goats and sheep, plus an assortment of horses, donkeys, camels and chickens.

    And I say good luck to them ...


  • #35
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    In non western countries (with probable exception of India for some religious sects) if you asked for a main meal without meat, they'd look at you as if you had two heads.
    The veganism craic is just the latest Western food fad/pseudoreligion.

    Not just religious sects in India; tonnes of the country just doesn't eat meat as a matter of course. Travel around Northern or Western India and it can be quite difficult to find places selling meat!


  • #36
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,731 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Amirani wrote: »
    Not just religious sects in India; tonnes of the country just doesn't eat meat as a matter of course. Travel around Northern or Western India and it can be quite difficult to find places selling meat!

    Is it more to do with people not able to afford it?


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  • #37
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    gozunda wrote: »
    I agree. It's like some form of bizarre self flagellation that many western countries have about animal farming and eating meat.

    For example - Ethiopia's estimated livestock population of about 78.4 million (1988 figures) was believed to be Africa's largest. There were approximately 31 million cattle, 23.4 million sheep, 17.5 million goats, 5.5 million horses and mules, 1 million camels, and 57 million poultry.

    And I say good luck to them ...

    http://countrystudies.us/ethiopia/95.htm://countrystudies.us/ethiopia/95.htm

    Ethiopia has a population of over 100m. Ireland has far more livestock per capita.


  • #38
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Is it more to do with people not able to afford it?

    Possibly an element of that, but a lot just culinary culture. Lentils, chickpeas, paneer much more common protein staple.


  • #39
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,430 ✭✭✭weisses


    gozunda wrote: »
    These are the movers behind the group called EAT pushing their report on 'Planetary health diet' (sic) in the Lancet

    The trouble is that the radio and television coverage are laying it on as if this lot are global food experts ...


    Uhhh they are

    https://eatforum.org/initiatives/the-eat-lancet-commission/commissioners/


    You must be involved in farming right ?


  • #40
    fritzelly
    Registered Users Posts: 17,243 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Thea Spicy Nag wrote: »
    Neither. It was in a plastic bench/outdoor storage box. I removed most of what was in it and poured water in it then whacked the only places it had left. It was really horrible. Kept getting stuck in corners and staring at me. Then when I finally hit it it wasn't clean and I had to hit it a couple of times before I got its head and it stopped twitching. Feel bad thinking about it. Definitely more humane ways of getting rid of a mouse. Was concerned about pathogens though, so I didn't want it to escape so I just did the first thing I thought of.

    Any vegans reading stop right now lmao


  • #41
    ganmo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    weisses wrote: »
    Uhhh they are

    https://eatforum.org/initiatives/the-eat-lancet-commission/commissioners/


    You must be involved in farming right ?

    Ask any climate scientist which would have a bigger impact, stopping eating meat or stopping air travel


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  • #42
    bigroad
    Registered Users Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭bigroad


    Wiil I be the first one to say it as i am just waiting for Leo to utter the words
    MEAT TAX.


  • #43
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Some cows would disagree with you

    Cite one? ;)

    Yep, we'll be all nibbling on carrots and paying rent to some shareholder in a vulture fund as he chows down on steak.


  • #44
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,731 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Scarinae wrote: »
    You wouldn't necessarily just be spooning dead bugs into your mouth though! I've eaten a brownie made from cricket flour and it was absolutely delicious, I would never have guessed it was made from insects if I hadn't been told.

    By and large Westerners wouldn't eat it because of the ick factor, it'd be a hard sell.


  • #45
    Johnnycanyon
    Registered Users Posts: 211 ✭✭Johnnycanyon


    Saw a very good documentary on this very subject a few years ago, it was called Cowspiracy, worth a look.


  • #46
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Amirani wrote: »
    Ethiopia has a population of over 100m. Ireland has far more livestock per capita.

    Ratio of cattle to humans in Ireland is approx is 1.4 to 1. In Ethiopia this is 1 to 2. However Ethiopias livestock trade continues to grow with significant investments are being made to increase trade and production.

    Ireland specialises in livestock because our topograhy and climate allows for good grass growth etc. Much of our livestock are exported as food products to the rest of Europe etc. Makes sense to specialise in those areas which are suited to the country.


  • #47
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,195 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Johnnycanyon wrote: »
    Saw a very good documentary on this very subject a few years ago, it was called Conspiracy, worth a look.

    Cowspiracy. Saw it on Netflix a year or so ago.


  • #48
    Tuco88
    Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Tuco88


    Are they that blind? The problem is not meat consumption. The place is way too over populated.

    Divide by 2.


  • #49
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,430 ✭✭✭weisses


    Tuco88 wrote: »
    Are they that blind? The problem is not meat consumption. The place is way too over populated.

    Divide by 2.

    I say lead by example


  • #50
    Cunning Stunt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭Cunning Stunt


    Thea Spicy Nag wrote: »
    Neither. It was in a plastic bench/outdoor storage box. I removed most of what was in it and poured water in it then whacked the only places it had left. It was really horrible. Kept getting stuck in corners and staring at me. Then when I finally hit it it wasn't clean and I had to hit it a couple of times before I got its head and it stopped twitching. Feel bad thinking about it. Definitely more humane ways of getting rid of a mouse. Was concerned about pathogens though, so I didn't want it to escape so I just did the first thing I thought of.

    Jesus christ!
    "War on meat" is right!


  • #51
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Thea Spicy Nag wrote: »
    Neither. It was in a plastic bench/outdoor storage box. I removed most of what was in it and poured water in it then whacked the only places it had left. It was really horrible. Kept getting stuck in corners and staring at me. Then when I finally hit it it wasn't clean and I had to hit it a couple of times before I got its head and it stopped twitching. Feel bad thinking about it. Definitely more humane ways of getting rid of a mouse. Was concerned about pathogens though, so I didn't want it to escape so I just did the first thing I thought of.

    Fair play, you sound like a natural born killer.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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  • #52
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Cowspiracy. Saw it on Netflix a year or so ago.

    'Cowspiracy' is little better than rancid vegan propaganda tbh. The figures used to push the agenda of that film were found to be made up by vegan film producers who falsely claimed that animal agricultural contributed some 51 % of all greenhouse gases. Not only was this figure shown to been have made up - it failed to even mention that it is fossil fuels and the transport sectors who are the single biggest contributor to global greenhouse gas emissions. But none of that suits the vegan agenda does it?

    https://newint.org/blog/2016/02/10/cowspiracy-stampeding-in-the-wrong-direction


  • #53
    Butcher Boy
    Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Butcher Boy


    Anyone for a 100 euro deal for the freezer can do beef lamb and pork .


  • #54
    marvin80
    Registered Users Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭marvin80


    We should probably reduce our consumption of meat but surely there's other areas to concentrate on like the number of cars on the road.

    There's over 2 million cars on the road but it's unlikely the government will recommend thousands of people to get rid of them.


  • #55
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,731 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    marvin80 wrote: »
    We should probably reduce our consumption of meat but surely there's other areas to concentrate on like the number of cars on the road.

    There's over 2 million cars on the road but it's unlikely the government will recommend thousands of people to get rid of them.

    Yeah. Nope. They do f all regarding public transport but there's nice monies to be collected with vrt, tax on fuel, etc. The NCT, SIMI and insurance cartels need to be looked after too.

    I'm not sure if Ireland is suitable for conversion to mass tillage, vast tracts just aren't useable, esp in the West. And a little matter of our damp weather.
    Add to that, the machinery that's needed for intensive tillage farming, none of it cheap. Who pays for that?


  • #56
    Tuco88
    Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Tuco88


    weisses wrote: »
    Tuco88 wrote: »
    Are they that blind? The problem is not meat consumption. The place is way too over populated.

    Divide by 2.

    I say lead by example

    Aaahhhhh god no, I live for the now I didn't start the fire? Pifff future's problem.


  • #57
    Flippyfloppy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    gozunda wrote: »
    'Cowspiracy' is little better than rancid vegan propaganda tbh. The figures used to push the agenda of that film were found to be made up by vegan film producers who falsely claimed that animal agricultural contributed some 51 % of all greenhouse gases. Not only was this figure shown to been have made up - it failed to even mention that it is fossil fuels and the transport sectors who are the single biggest contributor to global greenhouse gas emissions. But none of that suits the vegan agenda does it?

    https://newint.org/blog/2016/02/10/cowspiracy-stampeding-in-the-wrong-direction

    Does it suit your farmer agenda? Also, does every single one of your posts contain the words ‘vegan agenda’ or ‘vegan propaganda’ ...if not a rolls eyes smiley? Because you sure do go on, and on...any threads on boards about meat or vegans, that’s where you’ll be found!


  • #58
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,731 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    Fair play, you sound like a natural born killer.

    A mouse would kill you and your loved ones if it got the chance.


  • #59
    Gael23
    Registered Users Posts: 12,086 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Meat is murder


  • #60
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,731 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Meat is murder

    A well thought out, unbiased contribution...


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  • #61
    Butcher Boy
    Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Butcher Boy


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Meat is murder

    I should get 500 years so.


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