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Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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    #9452
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Anna Soubry (or was it Jess Phillips) alluded to the Minister for the 18th century Dublin based fiscal maneuvering in her speech.

    She was actually quoting (or misquoting) an Irishman - Niall Fitzgerald - who called him "The honourable member for the 17th century."


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    #9453
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Big Phil slating the UKs tariff regime, says the UK are seeking to frighten Ireland with it. They'll be looking at the legality of it and doesn't see it happening any time soon anyway.


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    #9454
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,267 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I'm not sure what point you're making?

    It's a poll with an option which means nothing. All that says is that 49% of respondents want to delay their desired but unspecified end game for some indeterminate length of time.

    No intelligence can be drawn from such an option in a poll.


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    #9455
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Is anyone watching the live debate? John Baron is being comprehensively ignored.


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    #9456
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    lawred2 wrote: »
    It's a poll with an option which means nothing. All that says is that 49% of respondents want to delay their desired but unspecified end game for some indeterminate length of time.

    No intelligence can be drawn from such an option in a poll.

    I disagree, It illustrates that 34% of people are happy for Britain to crash out and 49% want it delayed. It's a very recent poll so most people would be aware of the binary option - crash out or extension. There were no other options. From that perspective, it's valid.


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    #9457
    CelticRambler
    Registered Users Posts: 6,695 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    briany wrote: »
    The DUP would love it, up until the point that the Westminster government starts legislating in favour of abortion and same-sex marriage.

    Yeah, on the face of it, it's a DUP's wet dream, but I'd wonder if it's a Trojan horse - the start of GB winding down its involvement in the troublesome province. Irish Sea border today, abortion & same-sex marriage tomorrow, reduced public service next week; wouldn't be long before the majority couldn't see the point in red, white and blue kerbstones.


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    #9458
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,267 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    I disagree, It illustrates that 34% of people are happy for Britain to crash out and 49% want it delayed. It's a very recent poll so most people would be aware of the binary option - crash out or extension. There were no other options. From that perspective, it's valid.

    Fair enough.

    It informative as to support levels for dropping out with no deal. But that's about it.

    Still quite high all things considered


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    #9459
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Fair enough.

    It informative as to support levels for dropping out with no deal. But that's about it.

    Agreed. It illustrates nothing else other than the 49% don't want it.


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    #9460
    Roger_007
    Registered Users Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    CelticRambler wrote: »
    Yeah, on the face of it, it's a DUP's wet dream, but I'd wonder if it's a Trojan horse - the start of GB winding down its involvement in the troublesome province. Irish Sea border today, abortion & same-sex marriage tomorrow, reduced public service next week; wouldn't be long before the majority couldn't see the point in red, white and blue kerbstones.

    Britain, (England anyway), would love to wash it's hands of NI for good. It's a drain on the UK purse for no strategic advantage. All that's required is some pretext to do it.


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    #9461
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,266 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1105903793252823042

    While the words "Tragedy", "Embarrassment" etc are getting thrown around, I think calamity is more accurate.

    They will be made a holy show of when/if they try to negotiate their own trade deals.


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    #9462
    gooch2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭gooch2k9


    This is still only about party politics. Fox should be ashamed.


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    #9463
    briany
    Registered Users Posts: 13,537 ✭✭✭✭briany


    CelticRambler wrote: »
    Yeah, on the face of it, it's a DUP's wet dream, but I'd wonder if it's a Trojan horse - the start of GB winding down its involvement in the troublesome province. Irish Sea border today, abortion & same-sex marriage tomorrow, reduced public service next week; wouldn't be long before the majority couldn't see the point in red, white and blue kerbstones.

    I don't know if I'd go so far as jettisoning the province by attrition, but I could see the UK government wanting to punish the DUP in some way. This would all be predicated on another GE where the Cons achieved a majority, of course, but in that event, they could conceivably turn around to the DUP and say, "You want to be just like the rest of the UK? Well, here you go...."


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    #9464
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    gooch2k9 wrote: »
    This is still only about party politics. Fox should be ashamed.

    Liam "EU deal will be the easiest deal in human history" Fox? Absolutely.


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    #9465
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    briany wrote: »
    I don't know if I'd go so far as jettisoning the province by attrition, but I could see the UK government wanting to punish the DUP in some way. This would all be predicated on another GE where the Cons achieved a majority, of course, but in that event, they could conceivably turn around to the DUP and say, "You want to be just like the rest of the UK? Well, here you go...."

    Like constructive dismissal.


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    #9466
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    maebee wrote: »
    Unionist farmer from Fermanagh very disillusioned with his elected reps, saying that NI will be resigned to a wasteland.
    "People need bread & butter on the table, they can't eat a flag." He admits that Dublin has been more concerned about NI than Westminster has. Worth a listen:

    Lunchtime Live - from 12.08

    https://www.newstalk.com/listen-back


    The UK in a pathetic attempt in divide and conquer. Can you imagine these NI farmers having to compete with tariff free agricultural produce from the South while the Republic is enforcing EU tariffs on NI produce. It will end in tears.


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    #9467
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    CelticRambler wrote: »
    Yeah, on the face of it, it's a DUP's wet dream, but I'd wonder if it's a Trojan horse - the start of GB winding down its involvement in the troublesome province. Irish Sea border today, abortion & same-sex marriage tomorrow, reduced public service next week; wouldn't be long before the majority couldn't see the point in red, white and blue kerbstones.

    There's a wonderful thread just next door where you can posit all of this. Your eloquence and intelligence would be most welcome.


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    #9468
    Inquitus
    Registered Users Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Here goes the Spelman!


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    #9469
    gooch2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭gooch2k9


    I'm glad Cooper moved that amendment. Cowardly of the government to pressurise Spelman to not move it. Also might force people into the open on their positions.


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    #9470
    milhous
    Registered Users Posts: 415 ✭✭milhous


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Here goes the Spelman!

    Where are you watching this live?


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    #9471
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,141 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    milhous wrote: »
    Where are you watching this live?

    Here's Channel 4:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1izc5apuGk

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #9472
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Liam "EU deal will be the easiest deal in human history" Fox? Absolutely.
    Google autocompletes "disgraced f" to disgraced former defence secretary. :)


    It should always be his prefix.


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    #9473
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    milhous wrote: »
    Where are you watching this live?
    https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/70f2ab78-af53-4cc1-ac15-58178d882629


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    #9474
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Sky News have decent panels and analysis too while the votes are ongoing.


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    #9475
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Sky News have decent panels and analysis too while the votes are ongoing.

    They've been far better than the BBC throughout the whole Brexit debacle for me.


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    #9476
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    devnull wrote: »
    They've been far better than the BBC throughout the whole Brexit debacle for me.

    Without a doubt. And I used to hate the channel. I probably will again in 5 years time when this is all done and dusted and normal service resumes.


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    #9477
    Kalyke
    Registered Users Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭Kalyke


    Is there a Parliament radio channel?


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    #9478
    gooch2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭gooch2k9


    Kalyke wrote: »
    Is there a Parliament radio channel?

    Audio only option on parliament link above.


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    #9479
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,832 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    BBC going live now too. It's all ramping up.


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    #9480
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Steve Baker makes my blood boil. He is.so self important.

    https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1105875603163627520


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    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Amendment A (Caroline Spelman) Result

    This calls for MPs to reject leaving without a deal in any circumstance.

    PASSED

    Yes - 312
    No - 308
    Majority - 4


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