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Censorship of Yellow Vest protests in France

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  • #32
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Maxim Steep Yam wrote: »
    No, that's not what censorship is.

    Kinda. Self censorship or ideologically drive censorship.


  • #33
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    We really don’t have a news service anymore. People in the 19C and early 20C used to buy newspapers that were just that - no opinions, one editorial, some serialised stories, but mostly news. News reports. Court reports. Correspondents throughout the empire and beyond.
    it would be more correct to say that 19th and Early 20th century newspapers didn't distinguish between opinion vs news writing. The idea that newspapers and journalists wrote unbiased news is beyond a joke - news articles were heavily infected with opinion and bias in a way that most tabloids don't even get away with, these days.

    Do the most cursory search of the archives of the Irish Independent, Times, or the Freeman's Journal and the rampant bias and contamination of news with opinion becomes immediately obvious.


  • #34
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Oxter wrote: »
    I have been in France twice lately and follow French news when at home.

    There seems to be a policy by the media here of not reporting the scale of the protests in France. Censorship?

    No. If there was news, it would be reported, but routine weekly weekend outings by people who dont have real hobbies like sports, music, leisure with the families, or, assorted cranks looking for a bit of bovver with the police, isnt really news. What are we up to now, Act 14 ? News reporting requires something 'new' to report.


  • #35
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    it would be more correct to say that 19th and Early 20th century newspapers didn't distinguish between opinion vs news writing. The idea that newspapers and journalists wrote unbiased news is beyond a joke - news articles were heavily infected with opinion and bias in a way that most tabloids don't even get away with, these days.

    Do the most cursory search of the archives of the Irish Independent, Times, or the Freeman's Journal and the rampant bias and contamination of news with opinion becomes immediately obvious.

    Much of it was fairly bloodless in fact. The “from our correspondent” pieces were just factual descriptions.

    There was propaganda of course, and yet more news was reported. The best propaganda is not telling the news unfavourable to your side at all, as Pravda used to do when it ignored the famine but reported on increased truck production in the factories of Minsk, and the US media does now when it fails to cover Yemen.

    The economist still has this tradition of news reporting, to an extent, and you can ignore the editorialising.


  • #36
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    No. If there was news, it would be reported, but routine weekly weekend outings by people who dont have real hobbies like sports, music, leisure with the families, or, assorted cranks looking for a bit of bovver with the police, isnt really news. What are we up to now, Act 14 ? News reporting requires something 'new' to report.

    Brexit isn’t news by that logic. It’s ludicrous to say that rexporting on riots should have a shelf life, if riots happened in Dublin every week would RTE be justified in not reporting after the 3rd or 4th event?


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  • #37
    Oxter
    Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭Oxter


    Ireland has sold its soul to big business who want to preserve their low corporation taxes here. They dont like tales of civil unrest.

    The "Government" didnt want Apple"s €13bn backtax and are paying to hold it in an escrow account while the Anglo bondholders are still being paid back.

    This low corporation tax rate has attracted the likes of Pornhub (worlds largest porn site) to base their hq here to make their $100 million income virtually tax free.

    The French had a successful revolution before. Irelands was nearly as successful.

    Will history repeat itself?


  • #38
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Oui, d'accord

    https://actu.orange.fr/societe/videos/manifestation-contre-la-fin-de-la-gratuite-de-l-eau-en-irlande-VID0000001rMa7.html

    But they've stopped reporting on it now? censorship!!!


  • #39
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Oxter wrote: »
    This low corporation tax rate has attracted the likes of Pornhub (worlds largest porn site) to base their hq here to make their $100 million income virtually tax free.

    You got a source for that. Googling Pornhub Dublin resulted in a lot of content but nothing about that.


  • #40
    Oxter
    Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭Oxter


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    You got a source for that. Googling Pornhub Dublin resulted in a lot of content but nothing about that.

    Mindgeek, Pornhubs psrent is based in Dublins Silicon Docks.

    Google Mindgeek.

    Googling Pornhub Dublin produces an avalanche of porn shot in Dublin!


  • #41
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    You got a source for that. Googling Pornhub Dublin resulted in a lot of content but nothing about that.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/pornography-company-records-19m-profit-at-irish-arm-1.3343837

    It's their parent company.

    Not that I'm worried about them being in dublin


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  • #42
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Brexit isn’t news by that logic. It’s ludicrous to say that rexporting on riots should have a shelf life, if riots happened in Dublin every week would RTE be justified in not reporting after the 3rd or 4th event?

    There is a lot going on in Brexit, and that the various steps are going nowhere is new in itself, and is being reported.

    The media has no responsibility to be a publicity platform for those who want to get a message across. The gilets are as disorganised, shapeless, not sure what they want, why they are there, a protest, as there has ever been. Protest by tiny minorities are a nothing. Repeated multiple times, they are even less than that. And thats in France. So interest or relevance to Irish media consumers is nil. The weekend they arent out will be worth reporting though, since that will indeed be new.


  • #43
    Spannerplank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 167 ✭✭Spannerplank


    Your Face wrote: »
    If it was censored we wouldn't know so much about it.

    There have being more protests over the last few years in Europe.

    The reason you dont much after the initial reports is because these groups have no clear or concise message and no follow-through.

    Their message is pretty damn clear if you had been paying any kind of attention.


  • #44
    ambro25
    Registered Users Posts: 5,994 ✭✭✭ambro25


    Spannerplank wrote: »
    Their message is pretty damn clear if you had been paying any kind of attention.
    It was initially, but after Macron gave them what they wanted (postponment of fuel tax hikes) and crumbs ('national debate'), it isn't anymore: the message keeps on shifting and has descended into Occupy-like anti-everything militantism, losing public support as it gets ever more imprecise and confusing in the process.

    This is why the movement is now gradually fading into oblivion, eventually with only the extremes left over to make any kind of protesting, with the consequences to be expected when we're talking about extremes.

    After witnessing first-hand the antics of some yellow-jacketed neanderthals at a blockade a week ago, I'm not surprised in the least.


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