Incident at Roscommon hotel (asylum seekers)

Wibbs · 14-02-2019 11:51am

Zorya wrote: »

This idea has been fostered, this Star Trek type thinking, as if we have leap-frogged political evolution, as if we have sorted out the MAHOOSIVE differences between cultures and civilisational ethos - which we simply have not.

And history shows time and time again it's one helluva hurdle to leap.

Worst of all this idea is purely an economic one - there is nothing philosphical, idealist, or progressive about it at all - it is a fake ideal whereby elites make endless money and gain power - cheap labour, flattened barriers, annihilation of workers rights, neo-feudalism, endless hedonic consumption and consumers, etc.

Well I'd be wary of using "elites" as a title, more like modern consumerist capitalism as a system, where some are set to gain from it. Like I said earlier Germany was the nation with the biggest hard on for this migrant welcome from the top down. Ageing population looking to keep their industries going. They did this before when they imported Turkish workers in the middle of the German economic miracle when they were running out of local workers after the Iron curtain tightened its grip. Germany and Turkey have quite a long history together, so there was that and many Turks, again majority male(as is historically the case with economic migration, rather than refugee migration, just like today) made their way to Germany. The gender ratios only started to normalise after Germany allowed families to reunite and more women and kids came along. Turks had feck all citizenship rights for most of this period, only relatively recently have such rights come on stream. After the Berlin Wall fell their plight got more shaky with floods of formally East German workers looking for work and racial strife kicking off. But this time it'll be different...

Kivaro · 14-02-2019 11:55am

Zorya wrote: »

To be fair there is a certain (and large) segment of the population, especially among young people, who seem to have very idealistic ideas about ''One World'', and they are genuinely feeling these open borders sentiments, and also genuinely feel that old fogeys resisting the New One World are racist and backwards.

I know this because a couple of my own young adult sprogs have told me so to my face

I am not sure exactly how this idealised version of what the planet is came to be implanted in their heads - but then there is so much ridiculous propgandising that has gone on in the past couple of decades, and if pressed I would have to inadequately explain it by blaming the cynical promotion of globalism.

This idea has been fostered, this Star Trek type thinking, as if we have leap-frogged political evolution, as if we have sorted out the MAHOOSIVE differences between cultures and civilisational ethos - which we simply have not.

Worst of all this idea is purely an economic one - there is nothing philosphical, idealist, or progressive about it at all - it is a fake ideal whereby elites make endless money and gain power - cheap labour, flattened barriers, annihilation of workers rights, neo-feudalism, endless hedonic consumption and consumers, etc.

This is a great post Zorya.
My ideal world would be one without borders and there is a possibility of this happening in maybe a couple of hundred of years if humans are still on the planet. The inequality in this world is appalling, but the way the EU/Merkel is forcing non-EU migration onto the countries of Europe is also appalling. It is a concept contrived by liberal elites who believe that European countries are too homogeneous (too white), but it also supported by rich industrialists who want cheap labour.

World open borders look perfect on Star Trek and other SciFi programs. To make it achievable is to solve the problems first in the countries where migration is originating. Importing them en masse into Europe with their problems and religious/cultural differences is a disaster; it will never work. Have a level playing field by bringing the migration countries up to par with other developed countries and then we could talk about open borders. That's why it will take a couple of hundred years to get to this stage.

Wibbs · 14-02-2019 12:00pm

Kivaro wrote: »

I am constantly hearing Wibbs, from Sinn Fein representatives on television and especially RTE radio programs advocating for open borders ..... and I'm talking about complete open borders along the lines of their passed Ard Feis motion i.e. Sinn Fein will work for the achievement of the optimal position of no restriction on immigration to Ireland and deplores all attempts to limit the numbers of political and economic refugees into the country. RTE never challenges them on this stance, which should not shock anyone.

Well I'd put Sinn Fein firmly in the "nutters" section on this matter.

Boggles wrote: »

I haven't a scooby.

I would suggest though if you are looking for a more accurate number, look at the population make up of the countries where the refugees are coming from.

I would imagine some constantly war ravaged country in Africa or the Middle East would have a different make up to the richest country on the planet.

Indeed. War ravaged countries tend to have lower numbers of such men because they're the ones usually doing the fighting and dying, while the women, kids and elderly try to avoid all that and get away. And yet the migrant population into the EU has reversed this trend in a big way.

Here's another breakdown of the stats from 2015

Most (72%) are male, and more than half (54%) are ages 18 to 34; men in that age bracket account for fully 43% of asylum applicants.

More than half, which is considerably more of a percentage than in an average country's demographics.

VeryTerry · 14-02-2019 12:11pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Well I'd put Sinn Fein firmly in the "nutters" section on this matter.

Indeed. War ravaged countries tend to have lower numbers of such men because they're the ones usually doing the fighting and dying, while the women, kids and elderly try to avoid all that and get away. And yet the migrant population into the EU has reversed this trend in a big way.

Here's another breakdown of the stats from 2015

More than half, which is considerably more of a percentage than in an average country's demographics.

More than half of the population of the refugee camp in Za'tari are children. Obviously there are far more able bodied men making the long journey to Europe. The camps in the Middle East are bursting at the seams however so if you're physically able to go somewhere better you will.

http://www.reach-initiative.org/al-zaatari-camp-population-profile-and-health-assessment-jordan

Boggles · 14-02-2019 12:14pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Indeed. War ravaged countries tend to have lower numbers of such men because they're the ones usually doing the fighting and dying, while the women, kids and elderly try to avoid all that and get away.

I imagine that would be roughly accurate, but there would far more variables than that you would have to consider.

Wibbs wrote: »

Here's another breakdown of the stats from 2015

More than half, which is considerably more of a percentage than in an average country's demographics.

The figures you provided that I pointed out to you are accurate up until last week, why are you going back to 2015?

Wibbs · 14-02-2019 12:30pm

VeryTerry wrote: »

More than half of the population of the refugee camp in Za'tari are children. Obviously there are far more able bodied men making the long journey to Europe. The camps in the Middle East are bursting at the seams however so if you're physically able to go somewhere better you will.

http://www.reach-initiative.org/al-zaatari-camp-population-profile-and-health-assessment-jordan

Actually camps like that show much more normal demographics and ones you'd expect to see with actual refugees. More kids, young families, a near 50/50 split of women and men, with fewer than average of the elderly because of infirmity and difficulty with travel. Though one would wonder given male/female ratios would be roughly 50/50 where all the 18-15 women are.

Zorya · 14-02-2019 12:30pm

Kivaro wrote: »

T. Have a level playing field by bringing the migration countries up to par with other developed countries and then we could talk about open borders. That's why it will take a couple of hundred years to get to this stage.

This is what I think is the most rational way. Other methods entail too much suffering and risk. A flattened Europe - and Europe faces many other problems apart from mass migration - will never be able to help anyone.

I'm completely aware of the whole ''blow back'' issues and the war mongering for resources from some European powers plus America that has caused so much trouble in the Middle East, Africa, etc. It has left the field open for everything from fundamentalists to famine. It is disgusting. There is so much to be depressed about.

I just don't see how antagonistic multiculturalism that pretends all cultures are equal or the super saturation of struggling welfare states is going to be anything more than a band aid on ginormous problems and, worse still, a crippling of Europes ability to act as a helper in the future. Also rates of violence will undoubtedly open Europe up for the rise of strong man authoritarian politicians, we already see this - it is all completely illogical.

The west should get the feck out of these places, except for when we go with vast amounts of genuine investment and no-strings attached aid...anyways....it's too much to say.

VeryTerry · 14-02-2019 12:32pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Actually camps like that show much more normal demographics and ones you'd expect to see with actual refugees. More kids, young families, a near 50/50 split of women and men, with fewer than average of the elderly because of infirmity and difficulty with travel. Though one would wonder given male/female ratios would be roughly 50/50 where all the 18-15 women are.

Are you suggesting they aren't refugees?

As far as I'm aware children are children in these camps whether they be male or female.

Wibbs · 14-02-2019 12:37pm

Boggles wrote: »

I imagine that would be roughly accurate, but there would far more variables than that you would have to consider.

Which "variables"? Significantly more men fight and die and are injured in war zones. Being a woman, or a kid or elderly are the most likely demographics to survive. They've also been traditionally the most likely demographics to be refugees.

The figures you provided that I pointed out to you are accurate up until last week, why are you going back to 2015?

The percentages are pretty consistent over the last decade or so of the migrant crisis. That is; a much larger percentage of men overall are migrating and a significantly larger percentage of men than average background demographics of men between 18-35 are migrating and they're the largest percentage of the men migrating. Which ever way we cut up the pie these are facts.

Wibbs · 14-02-2019 12:40pm

VeryTerry wrote: »

Are you suggesting they aren't refugees?

Where in god's name did I say they aren't? You really want to read what you want to read don't you?

As far as I'm aware children are children in these camps whether they be male or female.

I didn't suggest otherwise? Again with the reading into things. Clearly you didn't read where I wrote Actually camps like that show much more normal demographics and ones you'd expect to see with actual refugees. I'm saying they're actual refugees. And you extrapolate that out to I'm suggesting they're not? The hell?

VeryTerry · 14-02-2019 12:44pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Where in god's name did I say they aren't? You really want to read what you want to read don't you?

I didn't suggest otherwise? Again with the reading into things. Clearly you didn't read where I wrote Actually camps like that show much more normal demographics and ones you'd expect to see with actual refugees. I'm saying they're actual refugees. And you extrapolate that out to I'm suggesting they're not? The hell?

What's the difference between an "actual refugee" and a refugee?

dav3 · 14-02-2019 12:49pm

Is this what we're reduced to?

Straight after another anti-Irish, racist attack, the same half-dozen heads are trying to discuss anything but the actual attempted murder at the site. The same quotes, the same fearmongering, nothing new being brought to the table.
I can't imagine what it must be like to live in a constant state of fear, angry with the world and the life that they lead, consuming hours of conspiracy theory videos telling them there's a (((plan))) to destroy Ireland.
It's still baffling why some websites continue to encourage this behaviour. Thankfully their numbers are dwindling, not only in Ireland, but also across Europe. The downside is that they're becoming more desperate. It's only a matter of time before one snaps and they start targeting occupied refugee centres.

Boggles · 14-02-2019 12:49pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Which "variables"? Significantly more men fight and die and are injured in war zones. Being a woman, or a kid or elderly are the most likely demographics to survive. They've also been traditionally the most likely demographics to be refugees.

The percentages are pretty consistent over the last decade or so of the migrant crisis. That is; a much larger percentage of men overall are migrating and a significantly larger percentage of men than average background demographics of men between 18-35 are migrating and they're the largest percentage of the men migrating. Which ever way we cut up the pie these are facts.

Nobody is arguing that the majority who are making it to Europe aren't men.

But I thought the answer would be pretty obvious.

I mean they are not hopping on Aerlingus and drinking themselves asleep like we immigrate.

The journey from the camp to Europe is pretty arduous with a relatively high chance of death if you are an enabled bodied male, that significantly increases if you are a child, female or older. Add in the fact that children and women are brutally sexually assaulted on their journey, it starts to become quite apparent why a certain demo-graph might risk it over another.

Imagine a married couple in a camp with 2 kids, 4 years there with nothing but disease, overcrowding and no hope.

They decide one of them should make the journey.

Does the man go grand, you do it, take the kids and send money when you get to that hotel in Roscommon.

No, no they don't.

Wibbs · 14-02-2019 12:51pm

VeryTerry wrote: »

What's the difference between an "actual refugee" and a refugee?

One is an actual refugee, one is an economic migrant. That would be one obvious difference. I've no issues with economic migrants who are moving with marketable skills and qualifications through legal channels, social welfare migrants with lower education standards and fewer marketable skills marching across borders illegally are another matter.

Kivaro · 14-02-2019 12:57pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Where in god's name did I say they aren't? You really want to read what you want to read don't you?

I didn't suggest otherwise? Again with the reading into things. Clearly you didn't read where I wrote Actually camps like that show much more normal demographics and ones you'd expect to see with actual refugees. I'm saying they're actual refugees. And you extrapolate that out to I'm suggesting they're not? The hell?

Of course you didn't Wibbs.
The overwhelming majority of readers understood your post.
But when some are losing an argument, they use obfuscation and other methods to derail the thread. This is what he is doing with his follow-up comment.

It is so disappointing that a rational discussion cannot be had on non-EU economic migration and the asylum process without the "racist" name-calling, insults, and attempts to derail the topic.
Best advice I can give to everyone is to ignore posters who do this.

Wibbs · 14-02-2019 12:59pm

Boggles wrote: »

Nobody is arguing that the majority who are making it to Europe aren't men.

Finally.

I mean they are not hopping on Aerlingus and drinking themselves asleep like we immigrate.

Nice image of our own you spin there, but forget the usually migrating legally with marketable skills part.

Imagine a married couple in a camp with 2 kids, 4 years there with nothing but disease, overcrowding and no hope.

They decide one of them should make the journey.

Does the man go grand, you do it, take the kids and send money when you get to that hotel in Roscommon.

No, no they don't.

Well have an oul read of the UNICEF link of VeryTerry above. Look at the demographics. A near 50/50 split of men and women, including in the 18-35 range.

"Male and female adults between 18 and 30 years of age constitute the largest demographic group in absolute terms with a recorded figure of 17,860 individuals at the time of the assessment."

It seems contrary to your explanation the married and attached men are sticking with their families in said camps, which would suggest a goodly chunk of those men coming into Europe are not married men with families.

Kivaro · 14-02-2019 1:07pm

Damn.
Why isn't Dav not my ignore list?
Done.

Thankfully despite the hysteria from some, we have an awakening in countries across Europe like Finland, Sweden, Spain, Germany, Italy, and the UK to challenge the narrative that all non-EU migrants and asylum seekers should be accepted without debate or questioning.

To quote the Finnish Prime Minister who made this comment a few weeks:

It’s unbearable that some who have sought asylum from us, and even received an asylum, have brought evil to us and created insecurity.......

We need an open and factual discussion and decisions that are weighted thoroughly.

Wibbs · 14-02-2019 1:08pm

dav3 wrote: »

Is this what we're reduced to?

Straight after another anti-Irish, racist attack, the same half-dozen heads are trying to discuss anything but the actual attempted murder at the site.

"Anti-Irish"?? BTW as far as I'm aware the hotel was vacant at the time of this attack. Which BTW Part II I don't condone in any way, even though I can understand why it's happening and why you will have a minority who go full retard and do something like this.

The same quotes, the same fearmongering, nothing new being brought to the table.
I can't imagine what it must be like to live in a constant state of fear, angry with the world and the life that they lead, consuming hours of conspiracy theory videos telling them there's a (((plan))) to destroy Ireland.

No conspiracy theories on my part, so sorry, nope, try again. I'm sure you'd love if people were screaming "the Jews/Lizards/Illuminati are behind it!!!", but you may be disappointed.

It's still baffling why some websites continue to encourage this behaviour.

Heaven forfend we have a discussion on immigration and the numerous issues around the multicultural experiment.

Thankfully their numbers are dwindling, not only in Ireland, but also across Europe.

I hate to break it to you but the right and the extreme right are on the rise across Europe and much of it is down to too many people feeling they're not being consulted on this topic. That's what you should be concerned about, rather than getting into hysterics about racists and the like on a website that isn't an echo chamber that happens to agree with you.

Zorya · 14-02-2019 1:15pm

Wibbs wrote: »

And history shows time and time again it's one helluva hurdle to leap.

Well I'd be wary of using "elites" as a title, more like modern consumerist capitalism as a system, where some are set to gain from it. Like I said earlier Germany was the nation with the biggest hard on for this migrant welcome from the top down. Ageing population looking to keep their industries going. They did this before when they imported Turkish workers in the middle of the German economic miracle when they were running out of local workers after the Iron curtain tightened its grip. Germany and Turkey have quite a long history together, so there was that and many Turks, again majority male(as is historically the case with economic migration, rather than refugee migration, just like today) made their way to Germany. The gender ratios only started to normalise after Germany allowed families to reunite and more women and kids came along. Turks had feck all citizenship rights for most of this period, only relatively recently have such rights come on stream. After the Berlin Wall fell their plight got more shaky with floods of formally East German workers looking for work and racial strife kicking off. But this time it'll be different...

Sorry I missed this post, somehow i find that happens a lot, like they show up later or something.

Yes, I am wary of using the word 'elites' too as it implies a raving looney reading from the conspiracy playbook. But then again given the massive transfer of wealth planet wide up to an insanely small number of individuals, its kind of hard not to have some kind of sci fi dystopian narrative enter ones head. But yeah, we all are part of the madness.

A long loonnng time ago I lived in Germany for 3 or 4 years and as it happened I worked mostly with Turkish gastarbeiter. Not because I had to, although in the beginning my language skills left me open only for the least skilled work, and that was usually with the Turks. But after that I chose to remain working with the underclass - and that is very much what they were, back then at least - because of a sort of radical political and emotional affiliation I felt for the underdog. The treatment of the Turks was horrible, stuff worthy of novels and dark films, and I saw it first hand and regularly as part of the work teams. Forexample, old worn-out Turkish women literally down on their knees begging to be allowed take their annual holiday at the time that had been arranged, while a boss stood mercilessly over them and laughed. Times without number people would approach me and ask what was a ''girl like me'' doing working on these teams. I felt like a hardened anarcho-communist at the end of it all

but it was good to see the other side of life. In spite of any attempted accusations on here, I am not racist. I am just trying to be logical.

Boggles · 14-02-2019 1:35pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Finally.

Nice image of our own you spin there, but forget the usually migrating legally with marketable skills part.

Well have an oul read of the UNICEF link of VeryTerry above. Look at the demographics. A near 50/50 split of men and women, including in the 18-35 range.

"Male and female adults between 18 and 30 years of age constitute the largest demographic group in absolute terms with a recorded figure of 17,860 individuals at the time of the assessment."

It seems contrary to your explanation the married and attached men are sticking with their families in said camps, which would suggest a goodly chunk of those men coming into Europe are not married men with families.

So the vast majority of the makeup of that refugee camp is Women and Children. Roughly 75%.

That is pretty consistent with the figures that don't make the journey, correct?

What's the problem?

dav3 · 14-02-2019 1:36pm

Wibbs wrote: »

"Anti-Irish"?? BTW as far as I'm aware the hotel was vacant at the time of this attack. Which BTW Part II I don't condone in any way, even though I can understand why it's happening and why you will have a minority who go full retard and do something like this.

https://www.thejournal.ie/rooskey-fire-4489478-Feb2019/

Speaking to Shannonside, Superintendent Kevin English said three members of staff were in the building at the time.

“Their cars would have been visible from the side of the hotel,” he said.

In that context, the individuals who attempted to burn the hotel were not deterred by their presence.

The far-right wave in Europe peaked around 3 years ago, it's already receding and never took hold in Ireland, and never will.

What's going on here Wibbs? You've been regurgitating the same gibberish over and over again for years. You could could have a week left to live, you may have 10 years left to live. This is no way to see out the remaining years of your life. Surely you can see that. You can't live in a constant state of fear right up until the end. There is still time to change.

Zorya · 14-02-2019 1:42pm

Yikes, has someone with a Messiah complex entered the thread? :eek:

pumpkin4life · 14-02-2019 1:44pm

dav3 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/rooskey-fire-4489478-Feb2019/

The far-right wave in Europe peaked around 3 years ago, it's already receding and never took hold in Ireland, and never will.

What's going on here Wibbs? You've been regurgitating the same gibberish over and over again for years. You could could have a week left to live, you may have 10 years left to live. This is no way to see out the remaining years of your life. Surely you can see that. You can't live in a constant state of fear right up until the end. There is still time to change.

Dumbest thing I've read on this website.

Anyway, this stuff isn't a surprise.

If you're the Department of Justice and you make plans to fill a small rural area with a group of economic migrants, without telling the people of the town, completely upsetting the balance of the town population wise and just dealing with the hotel owner in question, because some gombeen who wants the money...

You think the locals are happy with that? What do you think is going to happen?

I think the lad that burned down the place is nuts, but what the Department of Justice has done is morally wrong.

Unless, these economic migrants go to Dalkey? Or Foxrock? Let's bring some diversity there, since they love it so much.

Wibbs · 14-02-2019 2:02pm

Boggles wrote: »

So the vast majority of the makeup of that refugee camp is Women and Children. Roughly 75%.

That is pretty consistent with the figures that don't make the journey, correct?

What's the problem?

You're not great at these figures yourself Boggles. a couple will have a few kids, the UNICEF link shows a figure of 3.2 kids per household, which means of course kids and women will outnumber men. My point was and well you (should) know it, is that the split between adult men and adult women is roughly equal in those camps. If according to your family men forging the path for their families narrative was in play, one would expect to see that the percentage of men would be noticeably lower and the camps would be a majority of women, kids and the old. But they're not.

dav3 wrote: »

The far-right wave in Europe peaked around 3 years ago, it's already receding and never took hold in Ireland, and never will.

Funny how so many seem to disagree with you regarding the far right. To quote from the last Huff Post link: Elections across Europe this year have confirmed the surging popularity of far-right leaders.

While their liberal and conservative counterparts are in free fall, radical right parties are successfully exploiting public anxiety over migration, national identity and the failures of the establishment. After decades on the fringes, they’re forming governments, by themselves or in coalition.

Maybe the loudhailers of the "left" and the right on should ask the question why? If their politic is the correct one and so self evidently so, why the shift to the right not seen in decades?

What's going on here Wibbs? You've been regurgitating the same gibberish over and over again for years. You could could have a week left to live, you may have 10 years left to live. This is no way to see out the remaining years of your life. Surely you can see that. You can't live in a constant state of fear right up until the end. There is still time to change.

I'll have whatever you're smoking Ted. Actually I won't, as it seems to bring on some hysteria and projection unto others. Loving the crystal ball gazing about my potential longevity. I may have ten years in me? Nice touch. As for regurgitating gibberish for years, I bow to my betters on that score. At least my gibberish isn't on one subject, one politic, one track. There are a few posters that are cliches of their worldview, whether that be right/left/whatever you're having yourself and I've read little that would suggest you're not among their number.

Boggles · 14-02-2019 2:06pm

Wibbs wrote: »

You're not great at these figures yourself Boggles. a couple will have a few kids, the UNICEF link shows a figure of 3.2 kids per household, which means of course kids and women will outnumber men. My point was and well you (should) know it, is that the split between adult men and adult women is roughly equal in those camps. If according to your family men forging the path for their families narrative was in play, one would expect to see that the percentage of men would be noticeably lower and the camps would be a majority of women, kids and the old. But they're not.

What's roughly?

Sorry to ask but you have claimed 40 was nearly 80. :pac:

Also I would suggest the sample size and time frame is far too small to prove anything. Again a multitude of factors would have to be considered.

Basically Think bigger.

But even going by that camp the overall majority are women and children which is completely consistent to what doesn't make the journey.

Wibbs · 14-02-2019 2:19pm

Fr. Hiroshima Twinkie wrote: »

Heaven forfend people just condemn arson without trying to excuse or justify the scumbags who engaged in it just because they share the same opinion on immigrants...

In other words if one has concerns about immigration and especially badly handled with no consultation immigration, one is automatically agreeing with scumbags and arsonists. Brilliant. *slow handclap*. Just n case plain English is a struggle for anyone, again I state I do not condone this attack. No excuses, no justifications. You do understand explaining why this might happen is different to excusing or justifying it? Apparently not.

The far-right is on the rise across Europe, that's true, but history has shown us that appeasement doesn't work. Where the far-right grows we must do the only thing that has been tried and proven to work in the past - fight it. Stamp it out like the virulent weed it is. Reason and evidence means nothing to these people, as we see with the rebirth of their old favourite 'Lügenpresse' under the new name 'fake news'.

And how pray tell do you propose to "stamp it out"? Please enlighten us all. Censorship never works. History has proven that. It just feeds whatever you're trying to stamp out. Open dialogue works, but to have open dialogue you have to have two parties willing to talk and listen to opinions and arguments they don't like. In this increasingly echo chamber and divided world good luck with that. We see this most starkly in the online world. Open forums of debate are shrinking, replaced by down votes and exclusion of anything that doesn't agree with the local party line. And this is evident across all politics and philosophies.

Lest we forget that it was blaming one group in their society for all their ills that led to the deaths of millions in a certain European country in the 1940s.

Only if you have read the history of the early 20th century in a Mr Men book. In crayon. The reasons, the results and what led to the rise of fascism and the Second World War were just a tad more complex than that I'm afraid. Indeed on the Holocaust front you reference, out of the nations in Europe at the start of the 20th century one of the countries where you'd least expect to have an organised nationwide government "legal" pogrom against Jews happen within a few decades would have been Germany. Jews were so integrated into German society at all levels that the Nazis had to tie themselves in knots to work out who was "truly" Jewish. Consider that in the early days of the Zionist movement to build Israel the language in the front running for being the official language was German.

GinAndBitter · 14-02-2019 2:27pm

What's this a about an anti Irish attack? Didn't hear anything about it.

Wibbs · 14-02-2019 2:30pm

Boggles wrote: »

What's roughly?

Sorry to ask but you have claimed 40 was nearly 80. :pac:

70-80% of all migrants into the EU since 08 have been male, 40-50% have been males between 18-35.

Also I would suggest the sample size and time frame is far too small to prove anything. Again a multitude of factors would have to be considered.

Basically Think bigger.

The "sample size and time frame" is the period from 08 - 18. And across that sample size, while numbers have gone up and down and peaked around 15-16, the above breakdown age/sex breakdown remains the same. And again with your multitudes of factors in lieu of an argument and you're remarkably short on coming forward with these factors.

But even going by that camp the overall majority are women and children which is completely consistent to what doesn't make the journey.

Did you fail to understand my last post? This is extremely simple stuff here. But let's make it even simpler shall we?

OK imagine ten couples in an apartment block. Each couple has three kids. That gives us thirty kids and ten women and ten men. Or an overall majority of forty women and children to only ten men, but the gender ratio stays the same among the men and women.

Now if some of the men decide to leave to find work in the next town over, say eight of them, then you have forty women and children to only two men and the gender ratio is obviously skewed.

Yet in the camps the gender ratio is equal among adult men and women. So where are these men who've decided to forge ahead of their families?

Boggles · 14-02-2019 2:36pm

Wibbs wrote: »

40-50% have been males between 18-35.

Ah Heyor, we have all ready nailed down that figure thanks to your link and your stats.

It's just below 40%.

Wibbs wrote: »

Yet in the camps the gender ratio is equal among adult men and women. So where are these men who've decided to forge ahead of their families?

I asked you a very specific question referencing a very specific camp.

The camp referenced in the data you used.

What was the rough split between men and women of the age 18-30?

I wasn't arguing with you, I was just asking a simple question.

If you don't know, it's okay to say that.

dav3 · 14-02-2019 2:41pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Funny how so many seem to disagree with you regarding the far right. To quote from the last Huff Post link: Elections across Europe this year have confirmed the surging popularity of far-right leaders.

I have absolutely no doubt you could continue to pull articles from the internet all day to back up your claims, just as easy as someone could pull the same amount of articles refuting your claims.
While the far-right is currently stagnating and in decline across Europe, far-right attacks are on the rise. Attacks carried out by individuals who bought into the fearmongering 4 or 5 years ago and who are now becoming more desperate as reality starts to set in. Individuals such as the ones burning down buildings in the countryside and the reason why this thread was created.
The next time someone tries to fire bomb a refugee centre with people inside, will you be here again trying to shoehorn your politics on to the front page of after hours?

You're never too old to change.

Incident at Roscommon hotel (asylum seekers)

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