Does Owen Keegan have a point re homeless?

MFPM · 18-02-2019 4:23pm

John DoeReMi wrote: »

The dogs in the street know that the welfare lifestyle has been a viable option for those who can't be bothered to work for decades now. I personally know three individuals, all intelligent, able bodied people. perfectly capable of getting and keeping a good job if they chose to, who simply decided to drop out of society because they could milk the system. All three are now living in lovely Council apartments.

The dogs in the street know that the welfare lifestyle has been a viable option for those who can't be bothered to work for decades now.

Do they, perhaps you could ask the 'dogs' to illustarte their argument with evidence because you seem sadly lacking in that department.

I personally know three individuals, all intelligent, able bodied people. perfectly capable of getting and keeping a good job if they chose to, who simply decided to drop out of society because they could milk the system.

So what? All this tells us is that you know three people who allegedly are engaged in this, to extrapulate beyond that is nonsense.

All three are now living in lovely Council apartments.

Maybe they could pass on their secrets to the thousands in hotels...

I note you're another one with nothing to say on the massive taxpayer subsidy of REITs and other property investors or the land giveaway by the state to the private sector....much easier to vent your ire at those you simplistically see at fault rather than those who are actually at fault...i'm sure Varadkar and Murphy are happy their propoganda is working and people like you are so easily duped.

Gatling · 18-02-2019 4:32pm

MFPM wrote: »

Maybe they could pass on their secrets to the thousands in hotels...

The secret is rock up to your local council self declare your homeless from there move into a hotel indefinitely with zero contribution to your indefinite stay and zero untilities indefinitely .

Such a hard life isn't it

touts · 18-02-2019 5:38pm

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

https://www.pmvtrust.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Approved-and-Signed-PMVT-Audited-Accounts-for-2017-Excluding-income-and-expenditure.pdf

That's actually shocking. Page 23

14 Million on Staff Costs out of 24 Million.

How many houses would you get for that.

Jesus that is a shocking report. Out of 24 million raised they only spent 7.2m providing services to clients and buying houses. The rest of the money went on wages and administration. Of that close to 15 million went on wages and pensions for the staff of the "charity". 387 employees on the books? Holy hell. What are they all doing? It's like the civil service on steroids.

[Deleted User] · 18-02-2019 5:41pm

touts wrote: »

Jesus that is a shocking report. Out of 24 million raised they only spent 7.2m providing services to clients and buying houses. The rest of the money went on wages and administration. Of that close to 15 million went on wages and pensions for the staff of the "charity". 387 employees on the books? Holy hell. What are they all doing? It's like the civil service on steroids.

And that’s only ONE “Charity”!

lawred2 · 18-02-2019 5:44pm

touts wrote: »

Jesus that is a shocking report. Out of 24 million raised they only spent 7.2m providing services to clients and buying houses. The rest of the money went on wages and administration. Of that close to 15 million went on wages and pensions for the staff of the "charity". 387 employees on the books? Holy hell. What are they all doing? It's like the civil service on steroids.

Is anyone remotely surprised any more?

Just another slush fund..

Rubberchikken · 18-02-2019 5:46pm

if the entire state will look after you, provide accommodation food clothes and money and you dont need to do anything for it, of course some are going to see it as a lifestyle.

marieholmfan · 18-02-2019 5:50pm

Rubberchikken wrote: »

if the entire state will look after you, provide accommodation food clothes and money and you dont need to do anything for it, of course some are going to see it as a lifestyle.

Not least Owen Keegan. After a lifetime of staggering incompetence (and let's face it local government administration is only an attractive career to the lazy )Keegan is on a lifetime pension of €200,000 per year.

Signore Fancy Pants · 18-02-2019 7:27pm

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

https://www.pmvtrust.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Approved-and-Signed-PMVT-Audited-Accounts-for-2017-Excluding-income-and-expenditure.pdf

That's actually shocking. Page 23

14 Million on Staff Costs out of 24 Million.

How many houses would you get for that.

Holy.fcuking.sh1tballs!

That fcukhead us a pure conman. Theres no justification for that figure, is that where all the donations are going?

What a fcuking prick. Prancing around begging for money from everyone. What a cnut.

Wheeliebin30 · 18-02-2019 7:30pm

Dale Doback wrote: »

Holy.fcuking.sh1tballs!

That fcukhead us a pure conman. Theres no justification for that figure, is that where all the donations are going?

What a fcuking prick. Prancing around begging for money from everyone. What a cnut.

Like the legal profession the “homeless” crisis is one big gravy train the taxpayer don’t dare ask questions of.

Other costs- 530,000, what are these other costs?

Another one that caught the eye, depreciation- 507,000????

Something very fishy going on here.

Mutant z · 18-02-2019 7:31pm

Why do all those who complain about the homeless crisis continue to push for immigration from non EU countries they can't have it both ways.

Wheeliebin30 · 18-02-2019 7:33pm

Mutant z wrote: »

Why do all those who complain about the homeless crisis continue to push for immigration from non EU countries they can't have it both ways.

Because that’s the left wing ideology.

n97 mini · 18-02-2019 8:02pm

marieholmfan wrote: »

Not least Owen Keegan. After a lifetime of staggering incompetence (and let's face it local government administration is only an attractive career to the lazy )Keegan is on a lifetime pension of €200,000 per year.

He's not retired. When he does retire his pension will be half his salary.

BBFAN · 18-02-2019 8:19pm

Look at the end of the day everyone will have to accept that people have to be housed. Whether we like it or not.

Those on minimum wage or even average wage will never be able to afford to buy a house or even rent in the current climate.

Eoin Keegan did have a point about people not moving on but the problem there is how uncertain the rental market is. HAP is all well and good but a landlord can still tell you to move on whenever he wants to. Who wants to move every two years?

It's all well and good saying well "better yourself" "earn more" blah blah blah. Facts are that there will always be people who don't have the background, education or maybe even intellect to do any better than minimum wage.

The sooner people just accept that and the government starts building again the better.

This wasn't a problem in years gone by because the government built social housing and there was no-one moaning about that because they didn't even know about it unless they were in a position were they were looking for social housing.

The government COMPLETELY STOPPED building social housing, that's what has caused the current problem, nothing else.

BBFAN · 18-02-2019 8:20pm

n97 mini wrote: »

He's not retired. When he does retire his pension will be half his salary.

How will he survive?

Wheeliebin30 · 18-02-2019 8:29pm

BBFAN wrote: »

Look at the end of the day everyone will have to accept that people have to be housed. Whether we like it or not.

Those on minimum wage or even average wage will never be able to afford to buy a house or even rent in the current climate.

Eoin Keegan did have a point about people not moving on but the problem there is how uncertain the rental market is. HAP is all well and good but a landlord can still tell you to move on whenever he wants to. Who wants to move every two years?

It's all well and good saying well "better yourself" "earn more" blah blah blah. Facts are that there will always be people who don't have the background, education or maybe even intellect to do any better than minimum wage.

The sooner people just accept that and the government starts building again the better.

This wasn't a problem in years gone by because the government built social housing and there was no-one moaning about that because they didn't even know about it unless they were in a position were they were looking for social housing.

The government COMPLETELY STOPPED building social housing, that's what has caused the current problem, nothing else.

Which government stopped building social housing?

FF wasn’t it?

Last year was the most social houses built in 20 years.

mikemac2 · 18-02-2019 8:32pm

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

No, he didn't mention other counties. It sounds like he's just saying that the services are so good now that some people using them are getting complacent, sticking with the higher quality spaces now available, rather than trying to sort out their lives.

On the radio he complained about other counties and that Dublin was carrying the load and not turning away anyone.

He covered a number of angles I suppose including yours too

[Deleted User] · 18-02-2019 8:37pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Like the legal profession the “homeless” crisis is one big gravy train the taxpayer don’t dare ask questions of.

Other costs- 530,000, what are these other costs?

Another one that caught the eye, depreciation- 507,000????

Something very fishy going on here.

Cars for staff?

touts · 18-02-2019 10:20pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Like the legal profession the “homeless” crisis is one big gravy train the taxpayer don’t dare ask questions of.

Other costs- 530,000, what are these other costs?

Another one that caught the eye, depreciation- 507,000????

Something very fishy going on here.

You definitely have to wonder. If they had the neck to admit they paid themselves 15m of the 24m raised you've got to wonder what the hell they are are hiding in "other costs".

enricoh · 18-02-2019 10:38pm

Mutant z wrote: »

Why do all those who complain about the homeless crisis continue to push for immigration from non EU countries they can't have it both ways.

Tax the rich- that'll sort it, and, eh, billions from apple. That should provide housing n welfare for anyone in the world who wants it in our capital city!
Saw some protest in dublin at the weekend protesting against a hotel being built n arguing that social housing should be built instead! Great business plan!

BBFAN · 18-02-2019 10:44pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Which government stopped building social housing?

FF wasn’t it?

Last year was the most social houses built in 20 years.

I don't know what your point is?

n97 mini · 18-02-2019 11:06pm

BBFAN wrote: »

How will he survive?

I'm sure he'll survive fine. Point was that he's on a 200k pension is fake news.

For Forks Sake · 18-02-2019 11:34pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Cars for staff?

I'd doubt it, most staff cars these days are leased.

hatrickpatrick · 19-02-2019 12:20am

enricoh wrote: »

Saw some protest in dublin at the weekend protesting against a hotel being built n arguing that social housing should be built instead! Great business plan!

The problem with your argument is seeing the running of a democratic society as a "business".

hatrickpatrick · 19-02-2019 12:22am

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Which government stopped building social housing?

FF wasn’t it?

Last year was the most social houses built in 20 years.

FF stopped it, FG never resumed it. Both are equally complicit.

And given that the building of social housing directly by councils stopped in and around the late 1990s, "the most social houses built in 20 years" really isn't anything to be proud of. We need a building project on the scale of the 1930s when Herbert Simms was in charge.

MFPM · 19-02-2019 12:27am

Gatling wrote: »

The secret is rock up to your local council self declare your homeless from there move into a hotel indefinitely with zero contribution to your indefinite stay and zero untilities indefinitely .

Such a hard life isn't it

Tell you what, why don't you try it and come back and inform us how great it is. :rolleyes:

MFPM · 19-02-2019 12:31am

lawred2 wrote: »

Is anyone remotely surprised any more?

Just another slush fund..

Nothing in comparison to the massive subside of the private rental industry, the REITs and the massive land giveaway but yeah let's focus on housing charities because it's all their fault....

[Deleted User] · 19-02-2019 12:36am

touts wrote: »

Jesus that is a shocking report. Out of 24 million raised they only spent 7.2m providing services to clients and buying houses. The rest of the money went on wages and administration. Of that close to 15 million went on wages and pensions for the staff of the "charity". 387 employees on the books? Holy hell. What are they all doing? It's like the civil service on steroids.

I posted this in a previous thread a few weeks ago:

$hifty wrote: »

He’s right……homelessness has become a business for certain groups. It is in their interest to bang this particular drum in the media as often and as loud as possible because this is their bread and butter. These guys would be out of a job if we eradicated homelessness.

https://www.pmvtrust.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Approved-and-Signed-PMVT-Audited-Accounts-for-2017-Excluding-income-and-expenditure.pdf

Total employment costs for 2017 – €14.9million (page 24)
Total state funding – €14.4million (page 11)

Think about that for a second. Every penny the Government gives these guys, plus the first half a million raised via collection, plus the €200k used to fund tht collection (also page 13) is spent on staff salaries and pensions. Before a cup of tea or a sleeping bag or a pair of dry socks is handed out, they take the first €15million+.

If they didn’t exist, and that €15 mill was handed out to an organisation that already receives funding that covers the wages (or vice versa), it would all go towards where it’s needed (barring a small % increase in the number of staff they'd have to employ).

Scandalous, really.

Edit: I am in no way disparaging the great work that people do for PMCVT. But when homeless people would be better off to the tune of €15,000,000 then questions have to be asked.

Absolutely outrageous.

[Deleted User] · 19-02-2019 1:25am

Of course Owen Keegan has a point.

Some emergency accomodation consists of adults having their own bedroom for 70 euro per week, with no utility bills, and some food included.

Jesus lads, it's not rocket science.

But the problem isn't that emergency accomodation exists, the problem is that private rental accomodation is simply not affordable. We must do more to address the failure of the private sector do deliver social/affordable housing. Its that simple.

Re-zone. Compulsorily purchase. End land hoarding.

Ends.

Wheeliebin30 · 19-02-2019 7:55am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Of course Owen Keegan has a point.

Some emergency accomodation consists of adults having their own bedroom for 70 euro per week, with no utility bills, and some food included.

Jesus lads, it's not rocket science.

But the problem isn't that emergency accomodation exists, the problem is that private rental accomodation is simply not affordable. We must do more to address the failure of the private sector do deliver social/affordable housing. Its that simple.

Re-zone. Compulsorily purchase. End land hoarding.

Ends.

Hilarious when people say we need to build like the 1930s yet never mention the coating nowadays,

To build something like that now would cost 30 billion.

Like seriously we have or had a fiscal space of 500 million to play with before the nurses strike this year.

But yeah we will just magic up 30 billion euro.

Wheeliebin30 · 19-02-2019 7:59am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

FF stopped it, FG never resumed it. Both are equally complicit.

And given that the building of social housing directly by councils stopped in and around the late 1990s, "the most social houses built in 20 years" really isn't anything to be proud of. We need a building project on the scale of the 1930s when Herbert Simms was in charge.

FG never resumed it even though there was 4,000 social houses built last year and 8,000 delivered overall?

So that’s a lie straight off.

Are you saying FG should have started building social houses when they took over during the biggest recession ever and when we had thousands of empty houses lying around with no one wanting to live in them????

Not to mention the IMF here to watch us because we hadn’t a pot to piss in??

Does Owen Keegan have a point re homeless?

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