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After Hours>Do you think nurses will get their payrise?
TheRiverman 22:25 08-01-2019 (18 Thanks)
Originally Posted by Wheeliebin30:
Why are they looking for more money so?

Do you think throwing money at them will make them work harder?
They cannot work any harder as the are stretched to the limits everyday.Unfortunately there is a lot of ignorance and lack of understanding by people of how difficult it can be for nurses and other medical professionals working in our hospitals at present.A great example of that was shown by our Taoiseach recently when he made his stupid statement about Christmas being the peak time in Hospitals and therefore no staff should be allowed annual leave at that time.Its peak time at all times of year in our hospitals.
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Bubbaclaus 22:26 08-01-2019 (16 Thanks)
Originally Posted by Tom Mann Centuria:
39 hours.
You'd think they work 168 hours with the way some of them go on.
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wat24 22:26 08-01-2019 (16 Thanks)
Originally Posted by Tom Mann Centuria:
39 hours.
And one of the main problems is being short staffed means the shift should be 07.30-20.30 but it’s very hard to get out on time because you have to finish patient care and the mountains of documentation there is. If some gets sick at 20.30 you have to stay and help get them sorted because there isn’t enough night staff
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Mutant z 22:28 08-01-2019 (14 Thanks)
When are nurses not looking for a pay rise.
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ethical 22:30 08-01-2019 (29 Thanks)
The frontline staff,nurses on the wards ,are dwindling by the month.
The money is wasted on so called "managers" who do sweet FA,and you know what, there are more and more of these wasters appearing in hospitals everyday and are eating up the HSE budget.Its time to sit down and take a long hard luck at the work load the frontline staff do and those that twiddle their thumbs in offices in the health service every day........AND GET PAID FOR IT!
FCUK THE LOT OF THEM OUT,pay the frontline staff and see how quickly we get back to a system that actually cares and caters for the patients.So called "managers" couldnt manage a piss up in a brewery.:mad:
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TheRiverman 22:31 08-01-2019 (19 Thanks)
Originally Posted by Mad_maxx:
37 hours, average salary is 55k per annum not including overtime
As I said in another post here the ignorance and lack of understanding by people on the outside who have never experienced working life inside a hospital.
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lilblackdress 22:36 08-01-2019 (44 Thanks)
The reason that complaints of conditions are being tied into a pay rise is we cannot keep nursing staff in Ireland due to crap pay. Nurses go off elsewhere to earn more and cannot be blamed for that... that means less nurses which in turn means worse conditions and poorer care which leads to even less nurses.

In my opinion, people who think nurses don't deserve more either don't know how much they actually come out with a month for the work they put in or they have never had to sit and watch what a nurse actually has to do.... many people walk up to a nurses station and assume nurses are sitting doing nothing and unfortunately that is generally so far from the truth. The amount of documentation alone and lack of time to adequately fill it in is extremely difficult.

Nurses are the only healthcare professional that is present 24/7. (13 hour shifts, 7 night shifts in a row, 1 free day worked a month etc). Yes doctors are on call in acute hospitals and care assistants who are amazing are being pulled away from patient care to do other tasks... nurses are the ones that tie the rest of the healthcare teams plans together to make their own plans. A typical day for a nurse 15 years ago was filled moreso with patient care than what it is now..... now it's scrimping for staff, trying to manage everyone in an effective and safe way and watching your nursing pin as best you can knowing that any day you walk in you could lose it due to lack of patient safety because of staff shortages and an increase in documentation.

Morale is low, No matter what they do they can never do enough. Compassion fatigue is rife and nurses need a break and support from those they always strive to do their best for.... the public
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NoDrama 22:46 08-01-2019 (32 Thanks)
A friend of mine earned more working in the canteen in one of the hospitals in Cork when she was training to be a Nurse, than in her first year as a qualified Nurse in the same hospital.

That pushed her to move to Australia..
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Wheeliebin30 22:51 08-01-2019 (9 Thanks)
But surely they know the pay conditions before taking up nursing?

They should be forced to work a set number of years in Ireland if they do courses subsidized by the tax payer.

This idea of getting the degree here then moving to another country is bonkers.

Is they pay for it themselves then they can do what they want.
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Lefty Bicek 23:01 08-01-2019 (48 Thanks)
Originally Posted by Wheeliebin30:
But surely they know the pay conditions before taking up nursing?

They should be forced to work a set number of years in Ireland if they do courses subsidized by the tax payer.

This idea of getting the degree here then moving to another country is bonkers.

Is they pay for it themselves then they can do what they want.
As students, they subsidise the system by working their placements without pay.
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Alrigghtythen 23:02 08-01-2019 (3 Thanks)
Move the training from the classroom back on to the wards, changing nursing to a 4 year degree was a mistake. In 2004 70% of nurses were emigrating.



https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/n...78006?mode=amp

Since the mid-1990s, student nurses have followed a three-year diploma programme, linked to a college or university. They took social and biological science classes in college, but the rest of their time was spent on the wards. After they qualified, they could do a one-year, part-time course to get a degree. From next year, however, nursing will be a four-year degree programme. Admission will be through the Central Applications Office (CAO), as is the case with most other third-level courses....


"Nurse training is being turned on its head," says Seamus Cowman, professor of nursing in the Faculty of Nursing and Midwifery at the RCSI. "For the first time, nurses will be graduates and will have graduate status," he says. "We'll be the envy of Europe. This is a huge investment in nursing."
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thomasdylan 23:04 08-01-2019 (45 Thanks)
I think if you compare nurses to other PS workers they are underpaid. They are paid less than primary teachers, physios, dietitians, OTs and I would guess their job is more demanding. There's also a massive shortage of nurses.

It's a very difficult job. It's physically demanding and there is risk of mistakes which can have massive consequences. People don't respect nurses qualifications and intelligence at all.
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Richmond Ultra 23:05 08-01-2019 (3 Thanks)
Originally Posted by TheRiverman:
They cannot work any harder as the are stretched to the limits everyday.Unfortunately there is a lot of ignorance and lack of understanding by people of how difficult it can be for nurses and other medical professionals working in our hospitals at present.A great example of that was shown by our Taoiseach recently when he made his stupid statement about Christmas being the peak time in Hospitals and therefore no staff should be allowed annual leave at that time.Its peak time at all times of year in our hospitals.
I know of two nurses in CUH who did all the Twitter posting of #imworkingleo etc and long Facebook rants. Only for the man to arrive in on Christmas Day and they queued to get a selfie and didn't say a word. Surely if it upset them so much they would have mentioned it.

Nurses will get a rise but if they do it will only open the floodgates.
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twowheelsonly 23:36 08-01-2019 (8 Thanks)
Originally Posted by Bubbaclaus:
Unions have ruined this country. They used to serve a very necessary purpose, but these days its just constant calling of strikes in order to get paid more and more.
??????????
You should have been around in the 70s' and 80s'. Then you'd know about strikes!!

Originally Posted by Wheeliebin30:
But surely they know the pay conditions before taking up nursing?

They should be forced to work a set number of years in Ireland if they do courses subsidized by the tax payer.

This idea of getting the degree here then moving to another country is bonkers.

Is they pay for it themselves then they can do what they want.
What about all our students that go to England and Scotland to study nursing and then return here? ( A fairly large proportion of them..)



The waste in the HSE is phenomenal. Quite apart from having too many non-medical staff or medical staff redeployed as Managers the waste on buildings, suppliers, agencies etc is phenomenal. A local one to me that recently popped up was the HSE Community Health Stores moving from Wilton, where they own the building, to Model Farm Road, where they're leasing a building. The original building is lying empty since. I'm sure everyone working within the HSE could point to a mulitude of examples. Cut all these and the Nurses could be comfortably paid more.

Have a read of this report on an HSE Audit from the Irish Examiner last year. Eye opening. Highlights would be paying an agency €14,000 for an on call consultant - for one week , external storage costs for Galway rising from €7k to €800k from 2008 to 2016 and a recruitment company paid €20k+ in Kerry for the appointment of a consultant - who was already an employee !! Plenty more there to to explain where the money is going but this is still only the tip of the iceberg.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/irelan...ds-472877.html
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mad muffin 23:50 08-01-2019 (42 Thanks)
How much do you put on your life? Your family’s? Loved ones? You want the best healthcare and you want it now, but you don’t think you should pay too much for it?

How much is too much? €30K? €60K? €100K? How much did the politicians pay rise pay themselves recently because they think they are doing such a good job?

Was the pay restoration not promised to the nurses? Did they get it? Did the politicians get theirs?

How much of the current crisis in the health care is the governments fault? How much of it is down to the austerity measures implemented 10 years ago? The pay freeze. The levies and charged? The recruitment ban? All the money spent on agency nurses?

Do you want nurses to work 50? 60? Hours per week? Do you want to be treated by someone who’s worked that many hours in a high pressure situation when your life depends on it?

Do you even know what’s it like being in nurse in a hospital in Ireland?

If they do get their pay rise, they deserve every single cent of it.

It’s a pity they have to go on strike for it. What was promised to them. And frankly what they deserve.
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