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Should another Garda Commissioner resign?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,064 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    To lose one phone seems unfortunate. To lose two seems incredible.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Is it illegal to video people in public and post it online?

    I have seen many videos posted online of Gardai on duty. How is this one different? Should all videos of Garda activity be banned from the internet?

    It's different because Gardaí are in a position of power and trust. Much like if a teacher recorded her student stuttering and stammering through reading in front of the class and posted it online for a laugh.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Water John wrote: »
    To lose one phone seems unfortunate. To lose two seems incredible.

    Don't know about that, my daughter can lose 2 in a week!


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,064 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    See from Mick Clifford, Irish Examiner, that a prison officer whistleblower is being hounded as well. Hope Leo shouts stop to all this. His backing of Maurice McCabe was crucial,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 427 ✭✭Boggy Turf


    Water John wrote: »
    See from Mick Clifford, Irish Examiner, that a prison officer whistleblower is being hounded as well. Hope Leo shouts stop to all this. His backing of Maurice McCabe was crucial,

    Mick Clifford is a brilliant jouranlist. We need more like him.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭kerry cow


    Watch crime call , someone lost a phone or two .
    If you see one lying round in a country ditch it might be lost from dublin..
    !!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,064 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Culture within the Gardai being torn apart at the Dail Committee.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,064 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Riveting, Culhane asked to justify his allegations about Kelly and Kelly sitting next to him and looking at him.
    Destroyed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭Dinarius


    Implicit in some of the criticism of Noreen O'Sullivan there appears to be the following belief, that....

    1. The Gardaí were perfect before she came along.
    2. Her sacking or resignation would solve the problem.

    Both, of course, are laughable.

    It is not unreasonable to assume that flaws in the Gardaí are so historic, so endemic and so deeply entrenched, that she may be powerless to do anything about them; and that anyone who might replace her would be equally helpless.

    The solution lies first and foremost with our elected representatives.

    Innocent or guilty, O'Sullivan is just a distraction; a classic Irish political football.

    What we need is a bureau of internal affairs with real teeth. Fat chance.

    D.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭kerry cow


    I have no respect for our law enforcement any more .looks like they are rotten to the core .
    When a ship is sinking , the captain takes the responsibility.
    It's just shows what we are dealing with , when you see people tuffen on and ride the storm .It more like up yours to the public .
    Time for her and her side kicks to go


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    It's only six months since 1916 party finished. Imagine what all those 1916 people would think of the State we have? A truly rotten Police force, incompetent state bodies unaccountable and corrupt. Is anybody in the state sector doing their jobs. Weak politicians.. Nobody is in charge.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Anyone watching Noreen O'Sullivan's testimony being given to PAC. They're ripping her apart. She's a total liar and Varadkar and Flanagan simply have to sack her if there's going to be any confidence restored in AGS!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    Anyone watching Noreen O'Sullivan's testimony being given to PAC. They're ripping her apart. She's a total liar and Varadkar and Flanagan simply have to sack her if there's going to be any confidence restored in AGS!

    No, can't watch, in work. Keep us updated.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭emo72


    She reported something to gsoc last night, and conveniently can't give the name of the person who has access to certain accounts in Cabra. Last night. It will be tied up in gsoc for years. Well done Noirinn.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    I haven't seen all of it, but the highlights of what I have seen

    She has tried to cover her ass by only yesterday directing GSOC to investigate fraud of EU funds at Templemore between 1999 and 2010 having conveniently revived an audit report just yesterday. The fact that it's now in the hands of GSOC means PAC are limited in what answers they can get from her

    She has refused to name or give the rank of the signatories to one particular bank account in question, only saying that the latest signatorie has now retired. But there are over 40 other bank accounts under scrutiny

    She has stood by her account that she first learned of issues around Templemore's finances on July 27th 2015 despite other officials having testified that she knew a month earlier.

    There was a report in 2008 (cant remember the name of it) that highlighted issues as far back as then and O'Sullivan claims to have never been aware of this report (even though she was Assistant Commissioner at that time).


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    How can she refuse to give someone's name?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Ahh yes, they are talking about that 2008 report again. It was Barry McGee report of 2008 which concerned financial irregularities at the Garda training college in Templemore and directed that a full audit be carried out. No audit was done and O'Sullivan received an audit report only yesterday.

    She won't give names now because it would be prejudicial to the GSOC investigation


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    All she's doing with the tough questions all the time is performing a filibuster.

    She's disgracefully dishonest!


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,325 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    pilly wrote:
    How can she refuse to give someone's name?

    If she did then people would be condemning her as preventing a possible court case.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭For Reals


    "It was like that when I got here", worn thin at this stage. You would think she fell out of the sky and landed in her current role.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    If she did then people would be condemning her as preventing a possible court case.

    Naming a signatory does no such thing!

    And if she wasn't appearing in front of the PAC today, there's no question that there'd have been no GSOC investigation conveniently called yesterday!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    Someone should tell noreen there is no such word as 'advices'. In any quantity it's advice.

    The sheer prevarication, pompous waffling and disingenuity of her 'answering' is astonishing. Something very wrong with our country when she can retain office in the face of such non cooperation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    How long more can this go on? It is a total disgrace that a democratic country and an EU member is policed by a corrupt police organisation. What does it say for justice? When is the Government going to act. O'sullivan has some neck. One thing after another and she just swats it all away. We do corruption very well in Ireland, the banks, the police, the church, the religious orders, planning etc. We should make an industry out if it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,679 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Before we go off an another, Ireland is a terrible place, the Corruptions Perceptions Index places us at 19th in the world.

    Not best in the world by any measure but certainly better then 90% of other countries.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
    We are even cleaner then the Japanese and French.

    The Gardai have no one to blame but themselves however. They were seen as untouchable for decades as governments relied on them to hold the state together given the situation in the North.

    Now this inaction is coming home to roost. I think what FG want to do is get as much dirty laundry out in the open and pin it all on Noreen and then when the time in right in the short term to sack her and start afresh.

    Sacking her now will achieve nothing really, so we are stuck with her unfortunately. We need some of these investigations to conclude before we know what type of reform is needed. The rank and file also have to take some of the blame here as they have resisted day to day reform as well, think Garda Reservers and more civilians doing paper work.

    A Patton style reform of the entire Garda system of policing is needed. They should be given executive powers to implement it. If middle management Gardai or senior Gardai resist, tough, they can quit and go off and work some where else. There is too much inertia within this organisation.

    Speaking from experience, I am a middle class man with two sons and a daughter. Given my own albeit limited experience, I would never fully trust a Guard. Stories my children have told me, from their own experience from living abroad they tell me that in other countries like the UK, the police there are much more trust worthy and approachable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 427 ✭✭Boggy Turf


    The complete lack of accountability in our Political system and Public Service have made "leaders" like the corrupt commissioner utterly brazen and unafraid of public opinion. The only thing they care about is power, money and pension.

    Disgusting organisation and individual. No shame.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,064 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Great write up by Miriam Lord today.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/miriam-lord-irony-free-n%C3%B3ir%C3%ADn-engulfs-pac-in-verbal-dust-screen-1.3127202

    Here's part of it;

    It’s hard work listening to O’Sullivan as she tells everyone about her grand plan to re-energise the force, something which involves concentrating on future management through the use of construction metaphors while being very hazy about the past.
    After the third hour, you’ve lost the will to live
    O’Sullivan doesn’t answer questions; she throws up a verbal dust screen. After the first hour passes, you begin to wonder if she is capable of a giving a simple, straight reply. After the second hour, you don’t really care. And after the third hour, you’ve lost the will to live.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Leo Varadkar said in today's leaders questions that both he and the Government had confidence in the Commissioner and the problems faced by the force predated her tenure as Garda Commissioner.

    Nothing ever changes!


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,064 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    He also criticised the pace of change. I wouldn't be that comfortable if I was Noirin.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,737 ✭✭✭satguy


    She should be sacked, the cheek of her refusing to give the name or names of guys/gals milking the system. A prison cell is what she needs.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,064 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Well, just referring it to GSOC the night before was certainly giving two fingers to the Committee.
    The same was done a few weeks ago. Documents landed the night before and the morning of the meeting.
    It's either deliberate or incompetence. She can choose which one, herself.


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