Irish EV Owners Association (IEVOA)?

KCross wrote: »

Well, what is influence to you?
To me it means you are getting the opportunity to at least air your views to the people that matter. Does it mean that those people will take everything you say and implement it... of course not, but at least you've been asked your opinion and its being considered. IEVOA have that.

If all you have is your keyboard and boards.ie you have no influence really.

Note: I'm not an IEVOA member and have no vested interest in them.

Once again, you seem to be under and impression the IVEOA listen or that they are a single voice. They do or have neither that is a historical fact and has been well documented.

You have also implied I only use boards. Also incorrect. I am on all platforms and involved in the industry and I do have a voice from a very different point of view.

KCross wrote: »

I dont understand what you've written there, sorry.

Im just saying they get the opportunity to speak with the people in the industry that matter (Government, eCars etc). Are you saying they dont get




I didnt say that at all. You're reading into my words too much. I said if all you have is boards and your keybaord you dont have influence. I was making a point about influence not you in particular. I have no idea who you are or what you do or what committees you are on. You are a stranger to me.

The point is, if you want to influence you have to get yourself in front of the right people. Being on social media isnt it. IEVOA do get that audience hence they have influence.

Your last line is my point you evidently are one of the people who think they do have any influence or say. They actually don't and really I could elobrate on what I know and what I do but I don't need to. There are meetings where they, like others have been invited to tick a box nothing more because they have falsely left people in political power under the impression that they have more numbers than they actually have. All people have to do is look at the history of it and the simple misdirection of them and then they will know. It really isn't hard to see. :-).

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

Your last line is my point you evidently are one of the people who think they do have any influence or say. They actually don't and really I could elobrate on what I know and what I do but I don't need to.

Please elaborate since this is the IEVOA thread. Otherwise you are just a hurler on the ditch.

You are at pains to tell us they are irrelevant but you are not backing that up. Am I to just take you at your word. You could have an axe to grind for all I know so you'll forgive me for not believing a stranger on the internet.

The IEVOA is there as an open organisation that you can join or not. If you dont like what they represent or how its run you can try to change from within or stay outside. You've decided to stay outside and thats your right but disbanding it and reforming doesnt achieve much, if anything.

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

There are meetings where they, like others have been invited to tick a box nothing more because they have falsely left people in political power under the impression that they have more numbers than they actually have. All people have to do is look at the history of it and the simple misdirection of them and then they will know. It really isn't hard to see. :-).

But they were invited. Thats the key thing. Whether their opinion is listened to is an entirely different matter.

I blagged my own way into the LEV taskforce and gave my opinions the same as the IEVOA did but at least they were there representing their members views and I represented mine but if you are on the outside you have no influence.... cant you see that point?

Were the various other facebook groups invited?

IEVO is just a FB group, nothing more from what I can tell.

IEVOA is a FB group, and has paid members, a board, AGM, attends various meetings with eCars, govt etc etc etc.

One is active on the ground, the other is not (or as KCross says, hurls from the ditch).

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

I find it interesting and curious that, for someone who aledges not to be involved, you seem to be quite a defender of the IEVOA.

I can assure you I have no links with them whatsoever. You can decide for yourself whether I'm lying or not.

My main points about them is that they have a voice. Thats really the only point Im making, not saying at all that they are a well run organisation or that they represent my views. I am not a member and have not attended their meetings so I cant speak for how they run/behave themselves.

However, they were in front of a government committee and got dedicated "airtime". They were on the taskforce. They communicate with eCars. These are all the things you would expect from an EV owners organisation.

I really dont see your issue with them other than you seem to have a personality clash with some of them going back a few years.

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

If you have been involved with the EV community l for as long as I have you would know what has happened and therefore your hurl from the ditch comment would be mute, it's something some of us that have been in the community for a long time now could write a book on.

I've been in the "EV community" for quite some time too but never on the IEVOA. I dont really care about the past and what personality clashes there have been. It's influencing future direction Im interested in.

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

I didn't need to blag my way onto the LVE taskforce, I was invited however due to other commitments I declined and someone else from a parent part of the organisation took my place. I wasn't the only one of course, there was a struggle to put that together at the time for varying reasons.

So you understand the concept then that your company was invited and hence has influence.... the same as the IEVOA. I dont remember the other facebook groups being represented at the taskforce therefore they dont have influence.

Also, would you say that your companies opinion at the taskforce dictated and everything they said at the taskforce is now adhered to and implemented.... of course it isnt.... but your company got to air its views and influenced policy in some small way... and so did the IEVOA and so did I, since I was there too.

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

I of course can see your point but you have not (i think) been involved with the history or some of the incidents that occurred with the IEVOA. Still though your defence is interesting.

Nothing interesting in it. I've said many times I'm not connected. Believe it or not is up to you.

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

I will, for now, stay outside thank you. I can clearly see there is emotive need here and your motivation is clouded.

I think you believe I am an IEVOA member in disguise!

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I don't see anyone on the IEVO group hurling anything? what is that based on?

Nasty comments from a handful of people in IEVO directed at a handful of IEVOA people, semi-regularly. I don't know what their history is, but it's the reason I left. Mad-Lad commented on it here too, and it's the reason he also left. Don't know if the same people are still at it as it's a private group. Maybe they've stopped and you aren't witnessing it now?

I had no idea the IEVO page existed which I find interesting because I'm usually pretty down with these things.

There will be personality clashes in every random group of people on the Internet, seems silly having two groups, the subject is not serious enough to warrant people squabbling over it at all really.

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

There are a lot who either don't know the history or are choosing to ignore it. The case in point is in this thread. Please feel free to use either. For free impartial information use the IEVO page.

I've been around the EV community here and online for approx 3 years and have not seen this "history".
It seems very important to those on both sides of it but to be honest it should be just that, now, history. Time for both sides to move on.


EV owners need a lobby/interest group. I only see one, which is why I have joined the IEVOA. Any seat at the table is better than none. If you're starting a new lobby group to encompass all EV owners without this silly historical divide which does nothing to advance the interests of the EV community then I am in.

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

Regretfully its not fully history and an element is still there. I'm 5 years in the community..... :-)

Oh I'm aware, but often the "element that is still there" is you. At least in my experience on these threads and the facebook groups.


I don't see much mention by anyone else really.



Handy tip for life: there's always one person who needs to know when to give it up. And if you don't see who it is, it's you.

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

I had a much longer reply to that written in reply to that instead ill just say my points are based on long standing fact, not heart lead fiction. It was hard to write anything else where an obvious circular argument would erupt.


Please refrain from making personal comments, as I would not like to ask the admins to deal with the thread. Many thanks

Ask away, I have made no personal comments and am happy for the admins to review as necessary.


I fail to see who has put hot sauce on your boxers this morning but it certainly wasn't me that's for sure.

Zenith74 wrote: »

Sounds like a lot of history there and my feeling is that people who have created history in the past are likely to create more of it in the future, so think I'll steer clear of this one.

Dont let one dissenting voice on this thread deter you. Check it out for yourself and make up your own mind.

Its unlikely you will have another organisation started up any time soon.

Jeditraining1 wrote: »

Please refrain from making personal comments, as I would not like to ask the admins to deal with the thread. Many thanks

Go ahead: ask them, you might be surprised with the answer.