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Clerical Positions in the Civil and Public Service

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    #32
    barneystinson
    Registered Users Posts: 4,683 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    WhiteWalls wrote: »
    I hope your right Barney Simpson!!

    About what?! Unless you either haven't read the info booklet, aren't capable of logical comprehension, or are a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, it's pretty clear "knowing people" isn't going to get you far in this process.

    (And it's Stinson)


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    #33
    WhiteWalls
    Registered Users Posts: 945 ✭✭✭WhiteWalls


    barneystinson wrote: »
    About what?! Unless you either haven't read the info booklet, aren't capable of logical comprehension, or are a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, it's pretty clear "knowing people" isn't going to get you far in this process.

    (And it's Stinson)


    Sorry Mr Stenson, you are right!! Think I'm too used to listening to old fashioned my parents!!


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    #34
    thisNthat
    Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭thisNthat


    number13 wrote: »
    Just graduated with a law degree does anyone think I would be better off waiting for the graduate positions

    If I was you I'd definitely wait,
    People who have no qualifications bar the leaving cert could get these jobs, (And the money shows this, its crap)
    For someone who spent the time, money and effort of getting a degree I'd wait.


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    #35
    bisset
    Registered Users Posts: 440 ✭✭bisset


    It might be worthwhile applying for the experience of going through the selection process.


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    #36
    Technocentral
    Registered Users Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭Technocentral


    thisNthat wrote: »
    If I was you I'd definitely wait,
    People who have no qualifications bar the leaving cert could get these jobs, (And the money shows this, its crap)
    For someone who spent the time, money and effort of getting a degree I'd wait.

    If you're unemployed for a while why not apply? Once in there its better than being on the dole and you can always apply for jobs related to your degree then leave when you get one.


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    #37
    WhiteWalls
    Registered Users Posts: 945 ✭✭✭WhiteWalls


    I know its only guess work at the moment but anyone any idea how many they would be taking on?


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    #38
    gazzer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭gazzer


    WhiteWalls wrote: »
    I know its only guess work at the moment but anyone any idea how many they would be taking on?

    There is absolutely no way of knowing this. The competition has only been announced. Successful people will be put on a panel that will last two years. People will be hired off the panel as needed.


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    #39
    barneystinson
    Registered Users Posts: 4,683 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    thisNthat wrote: »
    If I was you I'd definitely wait,
    People who have no qualifications bar the leaving cert could get these jobs, (And the money shows this, its crap)
    For someone who spent the time, money and effort of getting a degree I'd wait.

    Just because the MINIMUM requirement is a leaving cert doesn't mean that's the profile of successful applicants.

    I don't know any CO's under the age of 40 (ie hired relatively recently) who don't have a 3rd level qualification.

    A secure job paying 21k, with a clear salary scale, opportunities for promotion and a defined benefit pension, is a very good opportunity for a college graduate in this country these days.


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    #40
    thisNthat
    Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭thisNthat


    Depends on your ambitions in life, Good enough for you maybe,
    For others they might like to raise the bar a little higher.

    21k is crap money and all taxes after that, The clear salary scale is also crap,
    And "A secure Job" Don't make me laugh, No such thing anymore,

    If the ECB and IMF want our public services reduced, then our yes boys in government will do as they say and its the boys at the bottom (On 21k) who will be first to go,

    You're only needed until it becomes automated, in every industry.
    Secure job ha ha... please..
    barneystinson wrote: »
    Just because the MINIMUM requirement is a leaving cert doesn't mean that's the profile of successful applicants.

    I don't know any CO's under the age of 40 (ie hired relatively recently) who don't have a 3rd level qualification.

    A secure job paying 21k, with a clear salary scale, opportunities for promotion and a defined benefit pension, is a very good opportunity for a college graduate in this country these days.


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    #41
    jjnaas
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭jjnaas


    barneystinson wrote: »
    Just because the MINIMUM requirement is a leaving cert doesn't mean that's the profile of successful applicants.

    I don't know any CO's under the age of 40 (ie hired relatively recently) who don't have a 3rd level qualification.

    A secure job paying 21k, with a clear salary scale, opportunities for promotion and a defined benefit pension, is a very good opportunity for a college graduate in this country these days.

    Quite a few lads I finished school with went into the civil service instead of college. This would have been 2004-2005 and none of them had a degree or even 500+ leaving cert points or anything so I hope nobody reading decides they shouldn't apply if they don't have a degree.
    I'm a TCO at the moment. The youngest permanent staff member here is 32. Nobody had 3rd level education.1 girl I've spoken to is studying for a degree at night.

    I wish they would start recruiting at EO level. Now that would be a much better opportunity for a graduate. The CO pay scale is shocking - 12 years before you make the average industrial wage!


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    #42
    Technocentral
    Registered Users Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭Technocentral


    I worked for 3 years in a college 15 years ago with Public Sector pay scales, does anyone know if this will mean that I'll start on a higher pay increment than someone new to the Public Sector, ie starting on the 4th increment?


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    #43
    barneystinson
    Registered Users Posts: 4,683 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    jjnaas wrote: »
    Quite a few lads I finished school with went into the civil service instead of college. This would have been 2004-2005 and none of them had a degree or even 500+ leaving cert points or anything so I hope nobody reading decides they shouldn't apply if they don't have a degree.
    I'm a TCO at the moment. The youngest permanent staff member here is 32. Nobody had 3rd level education.1 girl I've spoken to is studying for a degree at night.

    I wish they would start recruiting at EO level. Now that would be a much better opportunity for a graduate. The CO pay scale is shocking - 12 years before you make the average industrial wage!

    It's not shocking pay for what the job is.


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    #44
    FloatingVoter
    Registered Users Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    Technocentral wrote: »
    I worked for 3 years in a college 15 years ago with Public Sector pay scales, does anyone know if this will mean that I'll start on a higher pay increment than someone new to the Public Sector, ie starting on the 4th increment?

    That's assuming we get the jobs...but I'd second that question. I did 3 years in Revenue 10 years back on a Tax Officer grade. Do I start where I left off ? Or is it Day 1 all over again ?


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    #45
    Technocentral
    Registered Users Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭Technocentral


    FloatingVoter wrote: »
    That's assuming we get the jobs...but I'd second that question. I did 3 years in Revenue 10 years back on a Tax Officer grade. Do I start where I left off ? Or is it Day 1 all over again ?

    Im starting Monday, just wondering if its on a higher increment due to previous "service".


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    #46
    jjnaas
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭jjnaas


    barneystinson wrote: »
    It's not shocking pay for what the job is.

    Partially agree but actually there's a few temp COs on 6 month contracts in my building at the moment (diff department) who are doing very specialised work in IT. It's not true that all COs are just filing and answering phones.

    Also for someone who has graduated after 4 years of hard work I would really think and think again before short selling myself and accepting a CO job for life. It will suit some people no doubt and I wish them the best but I'd caution that you might want to go over all options before commiting to a job where you'll be filing and typing and not exploring your full skill set or being assigned a rather specialised role and being expected to do it for a CO salary. EO used to be graduate entry.

    As I say I'm a TCO at the moment. Grateful for it but also realistic! There's a lot of folks here for 2 decades, doing very repetitive work, reached the salary cap, still have 2 decades before retirement and very little chance of promotion. A hungry graduate with a law degree might crack up unless he uses it as a 'stop gap'!!


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    #47
    boobar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭boobar


    Technocentral wrote: »
    Im starting Monday, just wondering if its on a higher increment due to previous "service".

    Check Page 9 of the booklet.


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    #48
    boobar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭boobar


    jjnaas wrote: »

    I wish they would start recruiting at EO level. Now that would be a much better opportunity for a graduate. The CO pay scale is shocking - 12 years before you make the average industrial wage!

    I read another thread recently that mentioned that an EO or AO competition will also be held this year.

    Best thing to do register with publicjobs and sign up for alerts.


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    #49
    boobar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭boobar


    Technocentral wrote: »
    Hi Pardon my ignorance, which booklet?


    No problem,

    On publicjobs.ie, there's an information booklet you can download, it'll give you lots of info about the job, locations, the test, the salary etc.

    http://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/campaignAdvert/11792.htm


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    #50
    Technocentral
    Registered Users Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭Technocentral


    boobar wrote: »
    No problem,

    On publicjobs.ie, there's an information booklet you can download, it'll give you lots of info about the job, locations, the test, the salary etc.

    http://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/campaignAdvert/11792.htm

    Yeah, got mixed up thought I was in the TCO thread! But I think that means if you are just starting in there you can't negotiate your wage, doesn't mention anything about previous PS jobs not counting.


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    #51
    boobar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭boobar


    Technocentral wrote: »
    I worked for 3 years in a college 15 years ago with Public Sector pay scales, does anyone know if this will mean that I'll start on a higher pay increment than someone new to the Public Sector, ie starting on the 4th increment?

    I doubt you'll start on anything other than point one.

    Did you resign from that college job?


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    #52
    Technocentral
    Registered Users Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭Technocentral


    boobar wrote: »
    I doubt you'll start on anything other than point one.

    Did you resign from that college job?

    Yeah to take up a better private sector job, does that negate the increments?


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    #53
    boobar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭boobar


    Technocentral wrote: »
    Yeah to take up a better private sector job, does that negate the increments?

    I'd say so.

    I've heard of people in the past being able to negotiate a salary starting on a higher increment because of their experience but in these cases the positions were specialised.

    For these entry level positions I can't see that happening, they seem to be quite adamant about it.

    Sorry technocentral, but best of luck if you decide to go for it.


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    #54
    Technocentral
    Registered Users Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭Technocentral


    boobar wrote: »
    I'd say so.

    I've heard of people in the past being able to negotiate a salary starting on a higher increment because of their experience but in these cases the positions were specialised.

    For these entry level posituons I can't see that happening, they seem to be quite adamant about it.

    Sorry techcentral, but best of luck if you decide to go for it.

    Thanks for your help anyway!


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    #55
    Kristopherus
    Registered Users Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    Technocentral wrote: »
    Yeah to take up a better private sector job, does that negate the increments?

    Well it should'nt. But with all those recent agreements, its hard to see the wood for the trees. But certainly in the last big intake of admin staff in the HSE, almost 10 yrs ago,credit for previous experience in a public position within the EU, was given to the new recruits.


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    #56
    RobbingBandit
    Registered Users Posts: 18,075 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    I will be on a break from college for the next 12-24 months so I think I'll try for this, got as far as the interview 7 years ago and have tried a couple of times since and been on the panel but never got called.


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    #57
    ezra_pound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    Technocentral wrote: »
    Im starting Monday, just wondering if its on a higher increment due to previous "service".

    You could apply for incremental credit.

    No guarantee you'd get it though.


    4.2 Incremental Credit
    There are incremental credit agreements in place, for certain entry level grades in the
    Civil Service, which provide for the granting of incremental credit for previous service
    to officers who have previously been employed in the Public Service in Ireland or an
    equivalent body in the EU in a relevant grade.
    For an update on the latest agreements refer to the personnel code website: ( http://
    www.personnelcode.gov.ie ) . Current circulars are:
    Circular 21/04 Agreement on incremental credit for previous service for entry levels
    at Clerical Officer, Executive Officer, or equivalent grades represented by the Civil
    and Public Services Union (CPSU) and Public Services Executive Union (PSEU);
    Circular 16/05 Agreement on incremental credit for previous service for entry levels
    at Services Officer or Services Attendant, or equivalent grades represented by the
    Federated Union of Government Employees (FUGE);
    Circular 6/06 Agreement on incremental credit for previous service for entry levels at
    Tax Officer and Higher Tax Officer grades represented by Irish Municipal Public and
    Civil Trade Union (IMPACT);
    Circular 40/07 Agreement on incremental credit for previous service for


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    #58
    FloatingVoter
    Registered Users Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    ^ That cheers me up. Now for Access / Excel for Dummies refresher duties.


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    #59
    qwertyabcd
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭qwertyabcd


    Just applied, thank you for posting


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    #60
    RoadhouseBlues
    Closed Accounts Posts: 631 ✭✭✭RoadhouseBlues


    Hi folks. I was a TCO two years ago. It was a 3 month contract. So I decided to submit my application for this as it would be great for me to get a full time position. However I have a huge problem. I never did the leaving cert. Does that mean I will not be considered....It says on the information "a good standard of education". I did the Junior Cert but then did computer training and had experience working in other places before the TCO contract.


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    #61
    barneystinson
    Registered Users Posts: 4,683 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    jjnaas wrote: »
    Partially agree but actually there's a few temp COs on 6 month contracts in my building at the moment (diff department) who are doing very specialised work in IT. It's not true that all COs are just filing and answering phones.

    Also for someone who has graduated after 4 years of hard work I would really think and think again before short selling myself and accepting a CO job for life. It will suit some people no doubt and I wish them the best but I'd caution that you might want to go over all options before commiting to a job where you'll be filing and typing and not exploring your full skill set or being assigned a rather specialised role and being expected to do it for a CO salary. EO used to be graduate entry.

    As I say I'm a TCO at the moment. Grateful for it but also realistic! There's a lot of folks here for 2 decades, doing very repetitive work, reached the salary cap, still have 2 decades before retirement and very little chance of promotion. A hungry graduate with a law degree might crack up unless he uses it as a 'stop gap'!!

    My boss started her career in the civil service as a CO straight out of college as a stopgap to pay the bills, and she was a PO by the age of 30. There'll be plenty of opportunities for people who come into the service as CO's from this competition; you only need to look at the demographic of the civil service to see that...


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