Clerical Positions in the Civil and Public Service

barneystinson wrote: »

At the moment where I work there are confined competitions for promotions to PO, AP and EO, and earlier this year there was a competition for HEO. And in 2 years there'll be the same again.

Barneystinson, are those comp's internal to your dept? have you heard anything about inter-departmental comps (for HEO specifically?) My dept. hasn't had any for over three years.

Can not believe that money....how would you pay a mortgage and have kids in creche etc ?

I've applied for the job it would be a drop in wages but my jobs not secure so it would be nice to be permanent somewhere.

Gareth178 wrote: »

not exactly a question i'd pose at the interview if I were you !! :>

Haha I'm not silly enough to ask at interview that's why I'm asking here. The savings in crèche fees would make up for the decrease in wages

Gareth178 wrote: »

i think what you're referring to is "term time" where parents of children of school-going age may apply to take off unpaid leave for the period of the school holidays. It is still available as far as I know but as far as i know it's dependent on local management who take into account office operational capacity and amount of applications for "term time" received.

Obviously, it's not an entitlement and will depend on the circumstances and workload of the office that you'd be assigned to.

I could be wrong about some of the above details, but that's the gist of it

It's not just available to people with kids, sure that'd be discrimination!

Gareth178 wrote: »

i think what you're referring to is "term time" where parents of children of school-going age may apply to take off unpaid leave for the period of the school holidays. It is still available as far as I know but as far as i know it's dependent on local management who take into account office operational capacity and amount of applications for "term time" received.

Obviously, it's not an entitlement and will depend on the circumstances and workload of the office that you'd be assigned to.

I could be wrong about some of the above details, but that's the gist of it

Thanks for that, I'm on lookout for job after getting a first in my accounting and finance degree. Would like a job that is mainly 9-5 as it's just me and my daughter so I don't want to be working mad hours in a job and missing out seeing my daughter as she's only 4.

leinsterdude wrote: »

Can not believe that money....how would you pay a mortgage and have kids in creche etc ?

You could say that about a huge amount of jobs in the private sector to.

ezra_pound wrote: »

I believe that all stupid people should believe something.

The fact that you believe that cronyism existed before the 80s in cs appointments doesn't mean that you can imply that it's an objective fact that is to be accepted at large because there is no evidence and you are making it up.

Some evidence of this cronyism would be nice.

If not maybe you could admit that you are talking through your... you know what.

ezra_pound wrote: »

But you still haven't established that it ever existed in the cs. OK I'll accept you point with reference to "across Irish society as a whole". It's a strawman argument to draw from that that it ever existed in cs appointments. You are taking through your arse seriously.

Your anecdotal story is really just embarrassing. As the other poster pointed out anyone who has applied for any new entry position since 2012 will know what the actual story you were told is. Someone was obviously just trying to explain the new testing system to you. You clearly didn't understand what you were being told and made up the anecdote to suit your point.

The word deluded comes to mind.

Government parties have filled the civil service with political friends for years as well as appointing civil servants to other positions without consulting the opposition parties nor running transparent open recruitment. Gallagher from FA to the Ombudsman commission springs to mind.

Ex-Taoiseach Bertie Ahern said that persons are appointed to state boards and agencies on the basis of friendship. This begs the question of the integrity of the appointments system regarding any positions, which are related to government and that, would obviously include the civil service under that large umbrella.

In 2009 Transparency International released their report on Ireland, which found that "Significantly however, Ireland is regarded by domestic and international observers as suffering high levels of ‘legal corruption’. While no laws may be broken, personal relationships, patronage, political favours, and political donations are believed to influence political decisions and policy to a considerable degree." That report also recommended that appointments should be subject to public competition.

As for 2012, me not understanding and whatever other tripe you spewed I will say to you what I said to the other chap, you obviously do not know what competition I am referring to either considering this incident happened more recently than 2012. You it would seem, appear to be the one making things up to suit your argument. If you are both so confident as to accuse me of lying and not knowing the facts then I suggest you both feel free to avail of the pm system and inform me of which competition it is that I am referring. In fact, the whole discussion should go to pm considering how it is entirely off-topic at this stage.

You seem like a right little keyboard warrior there with the snide comments, which I don't appreciate.

redout wrote: »

Government parties have filled the civil service with political friends for years as well as appointing civil servants to other positions without consulting the opposition parties nor running transparent open recruitment. Gallagher from FA to the Ombudsman commission springs to mind.

Ex-Taoiseach Bertie Ahern said that persons are appointed to state boards and agencies on the basis of friendship. This begs the question of the integrity of the appointments system regarding any positions, which are related to government and that, would obviously include the civil service under that large umbrella.

In 2009 Transparency International released their report on Ireland, which found that "Significantly however, Ireland is regarded by domestic and international observers as suffering high levels of ‘legal corruption’. While no laws may be broken, personal relationships, patronage, political favours, and political donations are believed to influence political decisions and policy to a considerable degree." That report also recommended that appointments should be subject to public competition.

As for 2012, me not understanding and whatever other tripe you spewed I will say to you what I said to the other chap, you obviously do not know what competition I am referring to either considering this incident happened more recently than 2012. You it would seem, appear to be the one making things up to suit your argument. If you are both so confident as to accuse me of lying and not knowing the facts then I suggest you both feel free to avail of the pm system and inform me of which competition it is that I am referring. In fact, the whole discussion should go to pm considering how it is entirely off-topic at this stage.

You seem like a right little keyboard warrior there with the snide comments, which I don't appreciate.

Being a member of a state board is not being a civil servant.

Celia Larkin, for instance, was not a civil servant when appointed to a board by Bertie.

Please stop. You're seriously talking xxxxx.

redout wrote: »

As for 2012, me not understanding and whatever other tripe you spewed I will say to you what I said to the other chap, you obviously do not know what competition I am referring to either considering this incident happened more recently than 2012. You it would seem, appear to be the one making things up to suit your argument. If you are both so confident as to accuse me of lying and not knowing the facts then I suggest you both feel free to avail of the pm system and inform me of which competition it is that I am referring. In fact, the whole discussion should go to pm considering how it is entirely off-topic at this stage.

I said since 2012. So yes that would make sense that the competition you are referring to happened SINCE 2012.

Working as a TCO at present and it's one of the best jobs I've ever worked in. Obviously the pay is low, the public sector is on it's knees. But look what u get in return , job security. You can't get that anyway anymore.

I think there has been a few jeering comments towards qualifications on this. I'm working with TCOs at present with no leaving cert and 20 years experience. The competition for is will be huge, ranging from fresh graduates to highly qualified professionals needing full time work. From a masters graduate who was unemployed for 12 months, apply for everything and take what u get.

Let the hunger games begin.

4 of us TCO's have no end dates on our contracts, whereas 4 that had started after us do. Wonder why that is?

Wow, if that is the case then that's good news so! :eek: