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Tesla Model 3

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Scottie99


    It's been suggested that the part2 launch of the model3 will include heads up displays on high end models. Apparently this person is saying the reason it wasn't revealed, as they didn't want people to stop buying the high end X and S.
    People might feel these car would be obsolete..

    Edit - https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=1m15s&v=H00xFIhWfmM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    There is nothing to stop them putting that display on the S and X, in fact if its going to be on the Model 3 it will be in the S and X first

    The reason for a part 1&2 reveal is for maximum publicity, Tesla don't advertise, they like to get into the news and media for free


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,181 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Scottie99 wrote: »
    It's been suggested that the part2 launch of the model3 will include heads up displays on high end models. Apparently this person is saying the reason it wasn't revealed, as they didn't want people to stop buying the high end X and S.
    People might feel these car would be obsolete..

    Edit - https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=1m15s&v=H00xFIhWfmM

    Jesus that's an awful system, those hand jestures look like it could be very confusing , surly a control stalk would be a better option


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    This might have been posted already, but looks like a store will be coming soon.

    https://www.teslamotors.com/careers/job/store-managerdublinireland-32119

    I would be interested if they brought over a few secondhand Model S, particularly if they were available on PCP.


  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭Fastpud


    Tesla just tweeted : 325K orders for model 3 in one week over $14B if all convert into sales


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭eeguy


    While the 14bn is not a definite, getting $325 million for just having a sweet marketing campaign is amazing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Fastpud wrote: »
    Tesla just tweeted : 325K orders for model 3 in one week over $14B if all convert into sales

    the first car company in history to deliver all its vehicles to its customers after the model has been retired ...........:D

    I suspect a huge number with take deposit back , when they realise in a few years that they can apply for free travel passes instead :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    eeguy wrote: »
    While the 14bn is not a definite, getting $325 million for just having a sweet marketing campaign is amazing.

    yes but the deposits cant be used for anything , except invested in a manner that they can be returned and given the cash flow burn , 300 million is chicken feed to tesla


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,181 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Fastpud wrote: »
    Tesla just tweeted : 325K orders for model 3 in one week over $14B if all convert into sales

    At what stage should they have stopped. If they maintain a 33% they still gets 110k orders and as they clear these it'll fill up again


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,181 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    BoatMad wrote: »
    yes but the deposits cant be used for anything , except invested in a manner that they can be returned and given the cash flow burn , 300 million is chicken feed to tesla

    They can use it to leverage cheap finance. If you go to a bank and say you have 325 million in deposit for orders of 24bn you'll find they have no problem lending a billion or five


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    ted1 wrote: »
    They can use it to leverage cheap finance. If you go to a bank and say you have 325 million in deposit for orders of 24bn you'll find they have no problem lending a billion or five

    not if the banks think you are massively overtrading , they wont


    anyway Tesla raises finance in the markets as a public company , not banks ( banks provide cash flow )

    300 million is chicken feed in this regard

    given Teslas difficulties in meeting delivery dates in the past, I think is was very unwise for Musk to allow the bookings to exceed 100,000, there will have to be a massive customer expectation management exercise and a scorned customer is worse then not having them in the first place


  • Registered Users Posts: 64,548 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Will launch be this year or will it be 2018? And I wonder when we'll get them here? Maybe late '18?
    So 35 K USD, + 23 % VAT and 14% VRT = 43,015 (EURO's)

    That calculation is not quite there. VRT is based on the OMSP - usually about 92% of the RRP, specified by the importer. And also you forgot to add in the import duty. This is based on the value of the car + shipping costs and is 10% iirc.

    I'll try the calculation again, any comments are welcome :)

    So say value of the car is €33.5k (USD 35k - assuming there will be no charge for RHD conversion). Transporation costs say €500. Then import duty is €3.4k

    So base price of car is €36.9k. Another assumption is you get no discount (it will be a desirable model) but Tesla won't be mean to add any other delivery costs

    A bit of fiddling in excel will give you a RRP of €54k (before subsidies), so OMSP (92%) of €49.7k hence VRT (14%) of €7k and VAT (RRP includes 23%) of €10.1k

    €5k subsidy and €5k discount on VRT mean a net price to the customer of €44k...


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Scottie99


    Apparently they're on schedule with the car. So I'm expecting the second launch in March with sale in California later in the year. As for Uk and Ireland, you're probably right, 2018.
    I'm hearing if you put a deposit down today, don't expect delivery until March 19'. Not sure how true that is but would sounds about right.


  • Registered Users Posts: 64,548 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Sounds a bit overhyped though, doesn't it? Looks like very good value for €44k. But it's still €44k. You can buy a well specced BMW or Mercedes of the same size for that kinda money. Or almost a much bigger E-class or 5-series. Well established high quality, highly rated executive cars. When the long term quality, reliability, and lack of depreciation of Tesla is not yet known. It being made in the US doesn't inspire confidence. US cars have always had a terrible build quality (not saying Teslas are not well built)

    I'm not gonna put a deposit down anytime soon, if anyone was wondering :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    unkel wrote: »
    . It being made in the US doesn't inspire confidence. US cars have always had a terrible build quality (not saying Teslas are not well built)

    I'm not gonna put a deposit down anytime soon, if anyone was wondering :D

    20-30 years ago maybe. Build quality is much improved now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,452 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    unkel wrote: »
    Sounds a bit overhyped though, doesn't it? Looks like very good value for €44k. But it's still €44k. You can buy a well specced BMW or Mercedes of the same size for that kinda money. Or almost a much bigger E-class or 5-series. Well established high quality, highly rated executive cars. When the long term quality, reliability, and lack of depreciation of Tesla is not yet known. It being made in the US doesn't inspire confidence. US cars have always had a terrible build quality (not saying Teslas are not well built)

    I'm not gonna put a deposit down anytime soon, if anyone was wondering :D

    QC is a major issue for Tesla. They've continually struggled with it. It's something they're aware of (going by recent hires) and know they cannot build a volume product like the 3 without tightening up their act. It's one of the reasons I wouldn't go near the 3 initially. They've no competence in doing a mass recall, if needs be.


  • Registered Users Posts: 64,548 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Pkiernan wrote: »
    20-30 years ago maybe. Build quality is much improved now.

    Quality might have improved but I very much doubt it is on the same level as premium German brands like BMW and Mercedes. Hell, Mercedes nearly collapsed when they had US influence in the company during the Daimler-Chrysler years!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭eeguy


    unkel wrote: »
    Quality might have improved but I very much doubt it is on the same level as premium German brands like BMW and Mercedes. Hell, Mercedes nearly collapsed when they had US influence in the company during the Daimler-Chrysler years!

    Maybe so. I wouldn't want to be the first in line to buy ANY car, but in fairness, BMW have been building cars for 100 years, Tesla for 10.

    They've been playing a serious game of catchup in the last 2 years as they ramp up production.


  • Registered Users Posts: 64,548 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    eeguy wrote: »
    I wouldn't want to be the first in line to buy ANY car.

    That wouldn't worry me so much!

    New car comes with a warranty, so as long as the dealer is not too far away, any problems should be quickly resolved (any presuming I'd get the lend of a Model S any time my Model 3 would be in for fixing) :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    unkel wrote: »
    You can buy a well specced BMW or Mercedes of the same size for that kinda money.
    Neither are a Tesla though (and neither are beacons of reliability either).

    It's like why buy an iPhone when you can have a Samsung. A large part of the reason is because it's an iPhone.


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  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ Reed Unkempt Oceanographer


    I have a hand me down Iphone 6S Plus from my brother, IOS is far superior to Andoid, I've had both. Android will do fine but IOS does it a lot better.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    Not sure if I made my point correctly. Some people will want Apple stuff just because it's Apple. Tesla is the same. It's the Apple of the motor industry, something it's actively trying to be.


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ Reed Unkempt Oceanographer


    Ah right yeah I get ye.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭isnottheword


    I have a hand me down Iphone 6S Plus from my brother, IOS is far superior to Andoid, I've had both. Android will do fine but IOS does it a lot better.
    Disagree entirely


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ Reed Unkempt Oceanographer


    Disagree entirely

    Of course you would because I said it. Surprise surprise.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Of course you would because I said it. Surprise surprise.

    Paranoid much?


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ Reed Unkempt Oceanographer


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Paranoid much?


    Yeah it must be paranoia, I mean what else can it be ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Yeah it must be paranoia, I mean what else can it be ?

    Pretty sure it's paranoia. Either that or you've been bottling up frustration during your ban and can't wait to start more fights now you're back.


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ Reed Unkempt Oceanographer


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Pretty sure it's paranoia. Either that or you've been bottling up frustration during your ban and can't wait to start more fights now you're back.

    Ban ? oh, you mean the couple of hours. hahah , no I have had to divert my time to other things, mainly family.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Ban ? oh, you mean the couple of hours. hahah , no I have had to divert my time to other things, mainly family.

    Couple of hours, also known as a month...


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