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    #32
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,769 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    BoatMad wrote: »
    There's no way a 60 kWh battery could be supplied within the existing price point and that's the key issue for Nissan

    This is it. Although how does Tesla do it with the 60kWh Model 3 that's also powerful and quick for $35k?


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    #33
    isnottheword
    Registered Users Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭isnottheword


    unkel wrote: »
    This is it. Although how does Tesla do it with the 60kWh Model 3 that's also powerful and quick for $35k?

    Will it end up being $35K in Ireland? Otherwise, Musk always maintained this was the reason for them going to the trouble of the Gigafactory near Reno - scalability - resulting in a lower price point per kWh.


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    #34
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,769 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    No, but likely to be about €39k (see the Tesla Model 3 thread), which in fairness is very cheap for what you get. But as BoatMad rightly pointed out, it's not in the same price range of €20k-€25k that Ioniq, Leaf and Zoe are. Pressure though on the likes of them to keep their prices down. Even a 40kWh Leaf should be well, well south of €30k...

    Current Nissan pricing already doesn't make sense as the cheapest 30kWh Leaf with metallic paint and 6.6kW charger lists at €31k. Perhaps you'd get it for €25k cash, I don't know. If not, it's overpriced never even mind it's a very old model now and about to be replaced.


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    #35
    BoatMad
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    unkel wrote: »
    This is it. Although how does Tesla do it with the 60kWh Model 3 that's also powerful and quick for $35k?

    we have yet to see that and the point is Tesla sells very few cars with base model specs ( and the same is true of the Model 3)


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    #36
    BoatMad
    Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    I also don't think I'd bother with their automation if you need to keep your hand on the wheel, I want something to take the sting out of driving home after night shifts.

    its called a taxi

    seriusly , the primary reason that you have to remain in control is the issue of liability in the event of an accident. It will take a considerable time and body of practical evidence , before the legislative and liability issues are resolved , so you can doze at the wheel !!!!


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    #37
    samih
    Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭samih


    Some new images of the leaf at Autoexpress including a new artist rendering. The insideevs claims that the car will be available with 60 kWh battery at release. The front looks just like the new Micra and rest of the car like the current leaf with a facelift. But I have to say that it seems like a decent upgrade. Competition is great.


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    #38
    goz83
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭goz83


    Looks like an older civic

    Honda~Civic~(6).jpg


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    #39
    cros13
    Registered Users Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭cros13


    2018-nissan-leaf-spy-photo.jpg

    2018-nissan-leaf-spy-photo.jpg


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    #40
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,769 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    That doesn't look very aerodynamic to me. And I doubt very much it will have a 60kWh battery, as the article seems to suggest. If it does, its price simply can't be competitive at the bottom end of the EV market.


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    #41
    cros13
    Registered Users Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭cros13


    unkel wrote: »
    That doesn't look very aerodynamic to me.

    Ah... 'twil be better with the trash bags off :pac:


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    #42
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,769 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    We'll have to see.

    If not, it can put those trash bags back on and go straight into the bin :pac:


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    #43
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    unkel wrote: »
    We'll have to see.

    If not, it can put those trash bags back on and go straight into the bin :pac:

    Skip the bin and go straight to ringsend incinerator.....


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    #44
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,615 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Looks like ****e. Nissan pull the finger out there's money to be made.

    No chance of seeing 60kwh on that regardless of which article you read. You can bookmark this post


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    #45
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    listermint wrote: »
    Looks like ****e. Nissan pull the finger out there's money to be made.

    No chance of seeing 60kwh on that regardless of which article you read. You can bookmark this post

    In fairness to Nissan, they have publically stated that if they wanted bigger batteries and much bigger range then it can be done no problem. The problem is keeping the car to a price point that makes it affordable.


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    #46
    BoatMad
    Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    kceire wrote: »
    In fairness to Nissan, they have publically stated that if they wanted bigger batteries and much bigger range then it can be done no problem. The problem is keeping the car to a price point that makes it affordable.

    Correct. The product manager was adament that it was s nominal capacity of 40kwh

    What will be interesting is to see if Hyundai responds with bigger battery options in the same time scale


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    #47
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,615 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    kceire wrote: »
    In fairness to Nissan, they have publically stated that if they wanted bigger batteries and much bigger range then it can be done no problem. The problem is keeping the car to a price point that makes it affordable.

    Never said it couldn't be done. Said it won't be done.


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    #48
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    listermint wrote: »
    Never said it couldn't be done. Said it won't be done.

    Agree, and rightly so.
    It would drive Nissan away from the people that can afford to buy that level of EV.


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    #49
    samih
    Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭samih


    The installed capacity all depends who they want to compete against: The alsorans or Bolt/M3. I suspect that the Leaf will come with two battery capacities 40/60 kWh which could be build in 2S/3S config using uniform battery modules. In RHD UK/Ireland market there is no immediate long range competition so maybe only 40 kWh will initially be launched until M3 will become available sometime in 2018.

    In the other markets not having a model with approx. 300-400 km of EPA range available will mean that the car is behind the competition even before it's released. This combined with Nissan having talked about 60 kWh since 2015 I would be really surprised if was not announced at launch.


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    #50
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,793 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    I expect Hyundai to release a 48kWh by the end of 2018.
    They've already announced plans for a 200 mile version of the Ioniq for 2018.

    Current car has 124 Miles EPA, so at least a 45kWh battery would be needed if all stays the same.


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    #51
    Stallingrad
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭Stallingrad


    Maybe some doodlers fantasy, but the new Micra shows Nissan might have found some mojo. We shall see.

    2018-Nissan-Leaf-Carscoops.jpg


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    #52
    KCross
    Registered Users Posts: 12,070 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Thats no Micra. Too big.
    It actually does look like the car in post 39 with the plastic bags off. Probably a doodler who is interpreting the mule pictures.


    If that were Leaf II I'd be happy with the look of that and it looks sleek enough from an aerodynamic perspective.


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    #53
    Stallingrad
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭Stallingrad


    That is a rendering of the new Leaf, this is the new Micra.

    09203_4-av_nissan_micra.jpg?itok=oY_R-EU6


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    #54
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,769 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    So why are they making the new Leaf look like a big fat new Micra? Old Leaf as a big fat old Micra was bad enough :(


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    #55
    KCross
    Registered Users Posts: 12,070 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    unkel wrote: »
    So why are they making the new Leaf look like a big fat new Micra? Old Leaf as a big fat old Micra was bad enough :(

    Isnt that how most of the manufacturers do it. They have a general design look/feel that runs through their range.


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    #56
    goz83
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭goz83


    I like that render. Very nice actually


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    #57
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,769 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    KCross wrote: »
    Isnt that how most of the manufacturers do it. They have a general design look/feel that runs through their range.

    They shouldn't when the range is based on the fecking Micra :p

    Works for Audi alright, they all look the same. In an alright, non-offensive, conservative kind of way.

    There's no way that above Micra or Leaf have a coefficient of drag of under 0.26 - that was the most important need for the Leaf 2 here...


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    #58
    samih
    Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭samih


    For many sufficient headroom and space for a 60 kWh battery will outweigh the aero penalty. I was actually very surprised how claustrophobic Tesla Model S felt to a 6ft person. The ceiling is very low.


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    #59
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,769 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Not so sure about how relevant it is for many. I don't think I've ever seen a 6ft person in the back of a Leaf. Most owners would be families with children below 6 foot :D

    But true enough point, in that a 6 footer in the back of sleek aerodynamic cars like a Tesla Model S, Model 3 or a Hyundai Ioniq wouldn't have much head room.


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    #60
    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    unkel wrote: »
    Not so sure about how relevant it is for many. I don't think I've ever seen a 6ft person in the back of a Leaf. Most owners would be families with children below 6 foot :D

    But true enough point, in that a 6 footer in the back of sleek aerodynamic cars like a Tesla Model S, Model 3 or a Hyundai Ioniq wouldn't have much head room.

    There is enough room for 6'4" handsome on a back seat in an aerodynamically correct Prius...


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    #61
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,769 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Prius (still!!!) not an EV. But the 0.26 for the Prius is not bad. Not good either though compared to the massive 7 seater that is the Model X (0.24)...


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