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(Aug 17) NEW Interdepartmental HEO comp (Serving civil servants only)

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  • #62
    Addle
    Registered Users Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭Addle


    What harm if people use a short online test for practice? I don't mind that.
    I do mind seeing half my office spend most of last week on a form that will never be looked at.


  • #63
    BandMember
    Registered Users Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭BandMember


    Addle wrote: »
    What harm if people use a short online test for practice? I don't mind that.
    I do mind seeing half my office spend most of last week on a form that will never be looked at.

    Oh, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it - sure I've done it myself! :D However, I think PAS are now taking the line that if you waste their time, then they will waste yours.... With the amount of competitions and candidates they are attracting since the end of the moratorium, I reckon they're just trying to weed out the real/genuine ones as opposed to the "ah sure, I'll give it a lash" ones, you know?

    However, as you say, those forms are never looked at (even in the interview), so don't waste too much of your time on them. The best thing is just do one good one, save it on your computer and then just copy and paste. Sure they're all pretty much the same anyway.... ;)


  • #64
    PopTarts
    Registered Users Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭PopTarts


    For examples you give do they have to be specific to a situation or can they be general in the sense of managing a scheme / project.

    For Interpersonal / Communication can this be on the lines of dealing with public everyday and how you provide a great service or more along the lines of how you provided excellent customer service in one situation in particular.


  • #65
    eimaj18
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭eimaj18


    PopTarts wrote: »
    For examples you give do they have to be specific to a situation or can they be general in the sense of managing a scheme / project.

    For Interpersonal / Communication can this be on the lines of dealing with public everyday and how you provide a great service or more along the lines of how you provided excellent customer service in one situation in particular.

    The can be general, but for the interview, it might be wise to narrow it down to one or two examples. They will probably ask things like what would you do if so and so happened. The golden rule is "I" - what did I do. I'm writing mine at the mo, and it's so hard to talk yourself up!! Best of luck


  • #66
    MaisieMoo
    Registered Users Posts: 36 ✭MaisieMoo


    Addle wrote: »
    What harm if people use a short online test for practice? I don't mind that.
    I do mind seeing half my office spend most of last week on a form that will never be looked at.

    To be honest, it stops people doing the tests a few times using friends/ relative's ppsns. I know this happened in the past when you didn't have to fill in the form until after you got the results of the online tests.


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  • #67
    Littlefinger
    Registered Users Posts: 773 ✭✭✭Littlefinger


    Are we really expected to give our Salary for each job?


  • #68
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,801 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Littlefinger wrote: »
    Are we really expected to give our Salary for each job?
    I think its more of a stick it in if you know it....a bit like trying to remember the full address where you lived at when you went to uni in 2004.

    The fact you are meant to "estimate the proportion of credit you can claim for the outcome" is the real bizarre one to me....


  • #69
    Red Wolf
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭Red Wolf


    Littlefinger wrote: »
    Are we really expected to give our Salary for each job?

    I just left it out.


  • #70
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,801 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    The form is junk btw. I cant get it to save date in the declaration section.


  • #71
    sinorita
    Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭sinorita


    Disaster of a form. Painful having to keep moving up a blank employment table for every job held


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  • #72
    eimaj18
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭eimaj18


    What time is the closing time today?


  • #73
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,801 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    eimaj77 wrote: »
    What time is the closing time today?
    3pm


  • #74
    eimaj18
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭eimaj18


    gmisk wrote: »
    eimaj77 wrote: »
    What time is the closing time today?
    3pm
    Thanks a mil, I had 12pm in my head for some reason.


  • #75
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,801 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Just looking at it again....I am an AO currently....so dont even think I can apply....oh well...at least my form filled in for the next AP!


  • #76
    ryan1305
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭ryan1305


    gmisk wrote: »
    Just looking at it again....I am an AO currently....so dont even think I can apply....oh well...at least my form filled in for the next AP!

    Why couldn't you apply?


  • #77
    Red Wolf
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭Red Wolf


    ryan1305 wrote: »
    Why couldn't you apply?

    They are at an equivalent grade pay wise and thus precluded


  • #78
    ryan1305
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭ryan1305


    Red Wolf wrote: »
    They are at an equivalent grade pay wise and thus precluded

    No they aren't, AO is a lower starting scale


  • #79
    Riskymove
    Registered Users Posts: 10,885 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    ryan1305 wrote: »
    No they aren't, AO is a lower starting scale

    AOs are not eligible
    Grades equivalent to the Higher Executive Officer grade (i.e. have the same maximum pay scale or higher) are not eligible to compete in this promotion competition.


  • #80
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,801 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Yes I rang PAS and they said as the pay scales go to same amount in the end they are equivalent....seems odd to me tbh but hey...only been an AO about 1 1/2 years so need to really apply for APs.


  • #81
    ryan1305
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭ryan1305


    I just got appointed to AO this weekend so I am going to ask PAS about that


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  • #82
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,801 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    ryan1305 wrote: »
    I just got appointed to AO this weekend so I am going to ask PAS about that
    I rang PAS and they confirmed I couldnt apply as I am AO, but if you get a different answer please let me know


  • #83
    Red Wolf
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭Red Wolf


    ryan1305 wrote: »
    I just got appointed to AO this weekend so I am going to ask PAS about that

    It clearly states that

    Grades equivalent to the Higher Executive Officer grade (i.e. have the same maximum pay scale or higher) are not eligible to compete in this promotion competition.

    Both the AO and HEO standard scale top out at €59,294


  • #84
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 31,801 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    ryan1305 wrote: »
    I just got appointed to AO this weekend so I am going to ask PAS about that
    Oh and congrats on the AO :)
    I suppose its the same money only you dont have to manage anyone so it isnt all bad!


  • #85
    Bubbles75
    Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭Bubbles75


    Just wondering where you're seeing the circular this competition. I cant see it on any of the application pages??


  • #86
    ryan1305
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭ryan1305


    gmisk wrote: »
    Oh and congrats on the AO :)
    I suppose its the same money only you dont have to manage anyone so it isnt all bad!

    Thank you very much :) it ends on the same pay point, but significant difference to start. I just wish I had realised it before I had done the whole application ha


  • #87
    Red Wolf
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭Red Wolf


    Bubbles75 wrote: »
    Just wondering where you're seeing the circular this competition. I cant see it on any of the application pages??
    It was sent around Departments. If you search for the following duplicate thread it was attached to the first post


    "Brand New 2017 Interdepartmental HEO Competition Called"


  • #88
    Bubbles75
    Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭Bubbles75


    Aglomerado wrote: »
    shl.com is good for practice.

    do you need to buy the assessments off this site?


  • #89
    Dunjam
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Dunjam


    "Bubbles75;104590152"]do you need to buy the assessments off this site?"

    If you are planning on purchasing tests to practice remember that the last HEO competition verbal and numerical assessments were provided by Cut-e.com


  • #90
    Aglomerado
    Registered Users Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭Aglomerado


    Dunjam wrote: »
    "Bubbles75;104590152"]do you need to buy the assessments off this site?"

    If you are planning on purchasing tests to practice remember that the last HEO competition verbal and numerical assessments were provided by Cut-e.com

    They are free. You just sign up with an email address, as often as you like.

    Jobtestprep co.uk are good too and have the cut-e format but I think you need to pay for those.


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  • #91
    eimaj18
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭eimaj18


    Aglomerado wrote: »
    Dunjam wrote: »
    "Bubbles75;104590152"]do you need to buy the assessments off this site?"

    If you are planning on purchasing tests to practice remember that the last HEO competition verbal and numerical assessments were provided by Cut-e.com

    They are free. You just sign up with an email address, as often as you like.

    Jobtestprep co.uk are good too and have the cut-e format but I think you need to pay for those.
    Hopefully they'll be cut e again! They were great. The question style suited me much better. I was hoping that cut e was now the provider for PAS but then I did the EO and that was back to SHL.


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