Power output of Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV - VRT

sparrowcar · 05-10-2018 5:22pm

Just a quick update, I also appealed my VRT amount and received a letter in the post today that i would be refunded €637. I didn't need to take it to step 2 so possibly Revenue have agreed there is an error in the OMSP listed.

Thanks to Quenching for his guidance and assistance.

Grumpypants · 05-10-2018 7:16pm

sparrowcar wrote: »

Just a quick update, I also appealed my VRT amount and received a letter in the post today that i would be refunded €637. I didn't need to take it to step 2 so possibly Revenue have agreed there is an error in the OMSP listed.

Thanks to Quenching for his guidance and assistance.

How much did you pay? Mine was €1509 on a 2015 GX4HS. The omsp they quoted was 23k which is about right. But if there is some money to be claimed i might chance it.

sparrowcar · 05-10-2018 7:26pm

Grumpypants wrote: »

How much did you pay? Mine was €1509 on a 2015 GX4HS. The omsp they quoted was 23k which is about right. But if there is some money to be claimed i might chance it.

23k sounds low like it's been amended already. When did you pay?
Don't have exact figs to hand but I think unpaid €1850

Grumpypants · 06-10-2018 1:07am

sparrowcar wrote: »

23k sounds low like it's been amended already. When did you pay?
Don't have exact figs to hand but I think unpaid €1850

Just last month.

quenching · 06-10-2018 8:16pm

sparrowcar wrote: »

Just a quick update, I also appealed my VRT amount and received a letter in the post today that i would be refunded €637. I didn't need to take it to step 2 so possibly Revenue have agreed there is an error in the OMSP listed.

Thanks to Quenching for his guidance and assistance.

Delighted to hear that, and the fact that you didn’t have to go through the second step of the Tax Appeals Commissioner is terrific. That was by far the hardest part for me.

However, I’ve just checked the VRT I’d be charged now and 3 months later it’s STILL the incorrect higher amount. That’s shameful, we should be able to trust Revenue that they charge the correct amount, particularly when they’ve accepted, more than once now, that they are overcharging on these vehicles?

CptMackey · 09-10-2018 1:09pm

Test drove one today. Nice car with a big boot.
I'd there anything that I should be watching for ?

Might be the best bet for the family as the wife isn't overly convinced on the full electric car yet.

phill106 · 09-10-2018 8:20pm

CptMackey wrote: »

Test drove one today. Nice car with a big boot.
I'd there anything that I should be watching for ?

Might be the best bet for the family as the wife isn't overly convinced on the full electric car yet.

Test drove one myself on saturday, also liked it.
Was it in limerick by any chance?

CptMackey · 09-10-2018 9:11pm

phill106 wrote: »

Test drove one myself on saturday, also liked it.
Was it in limerick by any chance?

Down in cork. Bigger inside than I imagined

og2k7 · 10-10-2018 10:53am

CptMackey wrote: »

Test drove one today. Nice car with a big boot.
I'd there anything that I should be watching for ?

Might be the best bet for the family as the wife isn't overly convinced on the full electric car yet.

What year are you getting?

There are recalls for the calipers and then a fresh recall from last week so definitely something to check but not showstoppers

If you are buying a used one would definitely get the OBD reader, check the battery condition there (PHEV Watchdog app - only Android phone) - and the OBD dongle

Cant blame your missus: same reason we chose it - infrastructure is crap to commit to a full EV plus no big cars with better range (except for Model X). We need a big car for the 5 of us, so not too many cars that tick all the boxes. Some EV owners call PHEVs a way to get around paying lower taxes etc - but its been 2.5 months since i last been to the petrol station and use EV only (based in Dublin) so I am using it as a pure EV - but with the backup of the petrol in case the charging station is not available.

Hope this helps

Grumpypants · 10-10-2018 11:24am

The PHEV is a great stepping stone to EVs for the moment. I really wanted to get a full EV, but as og mentions the range & infrastructure isn't there yet for my needs.

My weekly commute is covered with battery only driving as I can charge in work to get home again. My first 1000km had only used about €10 worth of petrol was used. But I do seem to be constantly plugging in. Not an issue but noticeable.

I did have a bad weekend, had to drive right across town. A 1 hour 40 min drive, and same back. That used a lot, then the very next morning I had to do an Airport run. Those two drives emptied the tank. It really eats the fuel on ICE driving.

But that was a weird weekend at not the norm. Over the year it will even out.

I'd advise tracking your driving for a week or two. See how many sub 40 km runs you do between charges.

og2k7 · 10-10-2018 11:59am

Grumpypants wrote: »

The PHEV is a great stepping stone to EVs for the moment. I really wanted to get a full EV, but as og mentions the range & infrastructure isn't there yet for my needs.

My weekly commute is covered with battery only driving as I can charge in work to get home again. My first 1000km had only used about €10 worth of petrol was used. But I do seem to be constantly plugging in. Not an issue but noticeable.

I did have a bad weekend, had to drive right across town. A 1 hour 40 min drive, and same back. That used a lot, then the very next morning I had to do an Airport run. Those two drives emptied the tank. It really eats the fuel on ICE driving.

But that was a weird weekend at not the norm. Over the year it will even out.

I'd advise tracking your driving for a week or two. See how many sub 40 km runs you do between charges.

Exactly that - this car is perfect for the city and for occasional long(er) drives but not long daily commutes. One thing i realized (and you never think about it I think) is that going to IKEA, a shop, back, piano lessons with kids and you just did 30km without even realising.

I do charge at home but you would be using the petrol instead so still works out cheaper (and cleaner).

When I drove to Donegal and had 5 days of no charging whatsoever I got ±39MPG which i think is good (5 adults and a fully loaded boot)

CptMackey · 10-10-2018 6:32pm

og2k7 wrote: »

What year are you getting?

There are recalls for the calipers and then a fresh recall from last week so definitely something to check but not showstoppers

If you are buying a used one would definitely get the OBD reader, check the battery condition there (PHEV Watchdog app - only Android phone) - and the OBD dongle

Cant blame your missus: same reason we chose it - infrastructure is crap to commit to a full EV plus no big cars with better range (except for Model X). We need a big car for the 5 of us, so not too many cars that tick all the boxes. Some EV owners call PHEVs a way to get around paying lower taxes etc - but its been 2.5 months since i last been to the petrol station and use EV only (based in Dublin) so I am using it as a pure EV - but with the backup of the petrol in case the charging station is not available.

Hope this helps

Looking at a 2015. Gx4h I think. Would def get the home charger. I'd say most of the trips would be sub 40k. Will have to keep an eye over the next 2 2weeks or so.

Must check the brakes and see if the dealer is sorting the recalls

CptMackey · 12-10-2018 7:21pm

Would a dealer have an issue with me using an obd reader and app to check the battery?

Grumpypants · 12-10-2018 8:36pm

If they have nothing to hide nope. Normal enough part of an inspection id say.

og2k7 · 12-10-2018 11:01pm

CptMackey wrote: »

Would a dealer have an issue with me using an obd reader and app to check the battery?

Exactly this: standard inspection so nothing out of ordinary

b.gud · 18-10-2018 9:26am

Hey guys, I've agreed to buy a GX4H locally subject to inspection so am going to use PHEV watchdog, just wondering what are some of the key things I should be looking for in the app?

og2k7 · 18-10-2018 9:48am

b.gud wrote: »

Hey guys, I've agreed to buy a GX4H locally subject to inspection so am going to use PHEV watchdog, just wondering what are some of the key things I should be looking for in the app?

Battery overall health - my 2015 model is 87% for reference, so you can calculate the capacity easily. When you look at the number of leafs in the displays you will see the "global" driving trend so to more leafs the more the previous owner was using the battery: mine was on 2 if I remember correctly so not that eco-friendly (so battery didnt get much use)

Also verify the mileage etc - the usual stuff

Have a look at any error messages - should be displayed there too.

b.gud · 18-10-2018 9:58am

og2k7 wrote: »

Battery overall health - my 2015 model is 87% for reference, so you can calculate the capacity easily. When you look at the number of leafs in the displays you will see the "global" driving trend so to more leafs the more the previous owner was using the battery: mine was on 2 if I remember correctly so not that eco-friendly (so battery didnt get much use)

Also verify the mileage etc - the usual stuff

Have a look at any error messages - should be displayed there too.

Brilliant thanks for the info

Grumpypants · 18-10-2018 10:18am

Use the in-car screen to check some of the histories, if it hasn't been reset. Click Settings and look at charge cost, it will show how often it was charged. Click info and trip and you can see some data on driving style.

Was it imported from the UK? If it was, get the UK Reg and look up the MOT history, it's free and gives you an idea of any issues that were fixed, any advisories and any recalls plus recorded mileage. https://www.check-mot.service.gov.uk/

Do get a car check done, lots of UK cars can be written off by insurance companies do to cost to fix not structural damage and put back on the road (safely and legally in the UK) but Irish insurance companies won't insure you here.

But otherwise it will be normal stuff. Make sure it charges, have them plug it in. Check the body work, check the add ons are all working. Reverse camera, boot opening etc. Use the Dog to check the battery condition (make sure you have the blue tooth dongle for the Dog app to work, you can't connect to the car otherwise).

If you buy it, make sure they disconnect all connected phones and you get the passwords for the blue tooth and wi-fi (even though the wi-fi is hopelessly bad). You literally have to stand within 6 feet of the car, disconnect from your home wi-fi, connect to the car wi-fi, open the app, wait for it to load, click to turn on the heating, wait for it to load. Disconnect from the car wi-fi, reconnect to your home (otherwise you can't use the internet on your phone). At which point it is easier to just hop into the car and turn on the heating.

og2k7 · 01-11-2018 9:04am

Had to get some petrol for the first time since 8/8 - 950 miles, worked out at 126 mpg - so not too bad (and only because we did half a tank driving back from Donegal on the 9/8 - so had a half a tank since then and used it all up

Think thats good going - heres to another 3 months lol

Paranoid Mandroid · 24-02-2019 1:04am

My 142 outlander 3xgh vrt was €466 today. Bit of a saving going for a 2014. Came out as 160bhp as per op's original homework. Thanks for the info on this thread.

Super car, I'm delighted with it. The chap doing the vrt was surprised how cheap the vrt was.

Kevin Forde · 24-02-2019 7:57pm

VRT-ed my new 152 Outlander GX4H this morning - €918, quite a bit less than Revenue’s online calculator had suggested (€1,155). Its the 2016 model year version and VRT based on a power output of 200bhp.

bidiots · 25-02-2019 6:11pm

Most people charging at home, have you changed to night saver elec?

og2k7 · 25-02-2019 7:33pm

bidiots wrote: »

Most people charging at home, have you changed to night saver elec?

Nope. Doesn't calculate: most of the stuff happens during the day so the change would work out more expensive in our case. You might want to do your own calculations and see if this makes more sense

[Deleted User] · 26-02-2019 6:08pm

Standing charge is about 50 Euro's more for Night rate meter ? how dies that not add up ?

Surely you can have some things come on at night ? dishwasher , immersion in Summer, Washing machine etc ?

About 60% of our electricity the last nearly 2 years is used at night and probably more.

rolion · 26-02-2019 11:02pm

Hi,

Few Qs that you may have the answer ready,please:

Whats the battery capacity on these babies ?
All models have petrol engine or i can find one on diesel ?
Someone mentioned that there is an upgrade from 2016,is that a higher specs or different model all together.
Can you afford to go from fully charged to full discharged on the battery during a single trip ?

I'm seing on UK site that there are GX3,GX4,GX5 ... with and without the S and H...Any ideea what does that means.

Many thanks.

quenching · 26-02-2019 11:22pm

rolion wrote: »

Hi,

Few Qs that you may have the answer ready,please:

Whats the battery capacity on these babies ?
All models have petrol engine or i can find one on diesel ?
Someone mentioned that there is an upgrade from 2016,is that a higher specs or different model all together.
Can you afford to go from fully charged to full discharged on the battery during a single trip ?

I'm seing on UK site that there are GX3,GX4,GX5 ... with and without the S and H...Any ideea what does that means.

Many thanks.

Answers to all these questions, and many more, to be found here:
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/mitsubishi/outlander-phev-2014/

I regularly “empty” the battery, it’s what the car is designed to do. My local Mitsubishi dealer has serviced my UK import and replaced a shock absorber under the European warranty. They’ve been a pleasure to deal with, way better than any other main dealer I’ve dealt with.

Grumpypants · 26-02-2019 11:30pm

rolion wrote: »

Hi,

Few Qs that you may have the answer ready,please:

Whats the battery capacity on these babies ?
All models have petrol engine or i can find one on diesel ?
Someone mentioned that there is an upgrade from 2016,is that a higher specs or different model all together.
Can you afford to go from fully charged to full discharged on the battery during a single trip ?

I'm seing on UK site that there are GX3,GX4,GX5 ... with and without the S and H...Any ideea what does that means.

Many thanks.

Ill try cover a few.
2016 got a makeover, new lights and front and a bump in battery capacity by about 20% i think, nothing major. But generally inside is the same.
The are models are all GX3,4 or 5H. The S in each is a step up.

So GX3HS is better than GX3H, but lower than GX4H in terms of spec. The spec differences are not a huge change. Stuff like leather seats not cloth, heated seats, reverse camera not beeps, motorised boot.

Only one i like is the camera, and hot seats for the winter. None are essential.

All the PHEVs are petrol. The Diesel has not battery.

You can never fully discharge, it cuts off at 30%. But you can use up all the allotted battery power. I get about 35km on a charge.

The thing that hurts it is you charge a lot. I charge at home then again in work. A normal EV prob charges twice a week, ill do 12+ a week. This runs down the battery. I've lost 5% capacity in 6 months/10k.

But it is cheap to run and comfortable.

Walter Knight · 25-05-2019 12:30am

S stands for safety. "Forward Collision Mitigation technology, standard on the Mitsubishi Outlander 4hs and 5hs versions"... https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/mitsubishi/outlander-phev-2014/history/

Power output of Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV - VRT

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