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    #62
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    pwurple wrote: »
    And for those reading the threads, thinking the whole thing is a shambles.... Those of us who have no problems whatsoever with the set-up, don't really have much to chime in with. "All grand here for us lads. Carry on"... gets a bit boring. ;)




    All grand here for me lads/ladies....Carry on


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    #63
    Del2005
    Registered Users Posts: 18,872 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    liamog wrote: »
    That's why their was the second option, facilitate the installation.
    As an EV owner, you should be entitiled to install a private charger entirely at your own cost.


    The state/semi state should not be installing private access chargers. I've no problem with them giving a subsidy just as they do for private driveway owners.


    Realistically their are a few options.
    1. MUD installs chargers and does not bill.
    2. MUD installs chargers and bills back to users.
    3. MUD outsources chargers to commercial entity.
    4. Owner is allowed to install charger at own cost, and pays bill on their own.

    You should probably follow up on that sinking fund, a charging pedestal can be installed for around €2,000. The sinking fund should be much higher than that.

    The problem with my complex, and many others, is that its all unassigned surface parking. So to install a charge points a massive amount of digging and concrete breaking would be required and that's if the mains are close. There is no point in installing one charging point because that would be blocked, unassigned parking.

    Also why should someone living in a MUD, who already subsidises the government by paying for stuff the council should provide, have to pay commercial rates for their EV when charging at home? I should have access to the night rate electricity that everyone who I subsidise pay.

    The sinking fund isn't for this anyway. I was using it as an example. We'd have to agree a separate additional charge at our AGM and that won't pass if we end up getting screwed on all fronts, pay for install and then pay a premium for the electricity. Why do we need to come up with solutions the government should be coming to MUDs with options on how to make their property EV ready.


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    #64
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,793 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Del2005 wrote: »
    The problem with my complex, and many others, is that its all unassigned surface parking. So to install a charge points a massive amount of digging and concrete breaking would be required and that's if the mains are close. There is no point in installing one charging point because that would be blocked, unassigned parking.

    Also why should someone living in a MUD, who already subsidises the government by paying for stuff the council should provide, have to pay commercial rates for their EV when charging at home? I should have access to the night rate electricity that everyone who I subsidise pay.

    The sinking fund isn't for this anyway. I was using it as an example. We'd have to agree a separate additional charge at our AGM and that won't pass if we end up getting screwed on all fronts, pay for install and then pay a premium for the electricity. Why do we need to come up with solutions the government should be coming to MUDs with options on how to make their property EV ready.


    The government just needs to legislate forcing the MUD to pick one of the options.
    Either socialise the cost and all owners in the MUDs pay, or the MUD outsources the installation to a commercial operator, and individual drivers pay more.

    Beyond grants, the government should not be involved in the provision of vehicle charging on private premises.


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    #65
    Pac1Man
    Registered Users Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    Yes.


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    #66
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,766 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Is an apartment block / flats complex called a MUD these days? :p


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    #67
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,793 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    unkel wrote: »
    Is an apartment block / flats complex called a MUD these days? :p


    Multi Unit Dwelliing covers apartments and housing estates that the council has not taken in charge.


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    #68
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,259 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Del2005 wrote: »
    The problem with my complex, and many others, is that its all unassigned surface parking. So to install a charge points a massive amount of digging and concrete breaking would be required and that's if the mains are close. There is no point in installing one charging point because that would be blocked, unassigned parking.

    Also why should someone living in a MUD, who already subsidises the government by paying for stuff the council should provide, have to pay commercial rates for their EV when charging at home? I should have access to the night rate electricity that everyone who I subsidise pay.

    The sinking fund isn't for this anyway. I was using it as an example. We'd have to agree a separate additional charge at our AGM and that won't pass if we end up getting screwed on all fronts, pay for install and then pay a premium for the electricity. Why do we need to come up with solutions the government should be coming to MUDs with options on how to make their property EV ready.
    Who are you subsidising and how ?


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    #69
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,259 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    liamog wrote: »
    Multi Unit Dwelliing covers apartments and housing estates that the council has not taken in charge.

    Not quite the MUD act covers area not taking in charge so boiler rooms, hallways etc

    The council can take charge of greens, roads , paths etc.


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    #70
    yabadabado
    Registered Users Posts: 16,520 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    Be hoping that they design charger station that prevent the abuse of them.
    I see a charger near me that is always occupied but rarely seen a car charging at it.


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    #71
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users Posts: 17,391 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    yabadabado wrote: »
    Be hoping that they design charger station that prevent the abuse of them.
    I see a charger near me that is always occupied but rarely seen a car charging at it.

    That’s my biggest gripe with the whole thing, not the charge times or range but NEVER finding a charge station that’s either occupied and there’s a queue or some random van parked in it. There has to be big penalties put in place for this.

    Mind you if you can’t get idiots out of wheelchair spaces you won’t get them out of charging ones.


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    #72
    yabadabado
    Registered Users Posts: 16,520 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    That’s my biggest gripe with the whole thing, not the charge times or range but NEVER finding a charge station that’s either occupied and there’s a queue or some random van parked in it. There has to be big penalties put in place for this.

    Mind you if you can’t get idiots out of wheelchair spaces you won’t get them out of charging ones.

    A barrier and tag system and a fee to use ,will stop most of the crap.


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    #73
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,793 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    It's a question of design too, I prefer the design of Fastned stations in the Netherlands.
    If we want people to stop parking in charging spaces, let's stop making charging spaces that look like them.


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