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Politics>Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)
johnnyskeleton 14:12 24-07-2018
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New Thread for discussion of Donald Trump. Towards the end of the last one things were getting a bit personal, so let's try to avoid that this time around.

Same rules apply re: link dumps, one liners etc. Other than that I hope you all enjoy a robust and illuminating debate.

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Mod Warning as posted on August 2

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Penn 16:54 24-07-2018 (2 Thanks)
https://apnews.com/9f26e4a32322470fa...mpression=true

Trump Administration likely to announce plans to provide billions of dollars in financial aid to farmers suffering as a result of Trump's trade war.

The art of the deal, indeed...
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jooksavage 17:04 24-07-2018 (2 Thanks)
Originally Posted by Penn:
https://apnews.com/9f26e4a32322470fa...mpression=true

Trump Administration likely to announce plans to provide billions of dollars in financial aid to farmers suffering as a result of Trump's trade war.

The art of the deal, indeed...

As a farmer myself, I can't see this cutting it with US farmers. It might put food on the table for the time-being but every farmer would opt for a fair price for their produce over this "hardship money". Also, if it's anything like the compensation schemes over here, there's going to be a heap of bureaucracy involved. Again, not something that generally endears already-stretched farmers.
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mcmoustache 17:37 24-07-2018 (2 Thanks)
The latest tweet from the man himself is rather interesting.

Originally Posted by :
I’m very concerned that Russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming Election. Based on the fact that no President has been tougher on Russia than me, they will be pushing very hard for the Democrats. They definitely don’t want Trump!
As with most of what Trump says, it's somewhat devoid of reality and contradicts things that he has said previously.

It'll be interesting to see how many people start repeating the claim.
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everlast75 18:14 24-07-2018 (10 Thanks)
That tweet is probably the most embarassing tweet he has ever sent.

And that is saying something.

Apparently he has forgotten to put the "wink wink" at the end
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jobbridge4life 19:21 24-07-2018 (8 Thanks)
Originally Posted by ELM327:
I don't think HC can win though, that's the thing.



Look who followed Reagan. GHW Bush. A down to earth back to basics southern man and southern wife. Perfect "old school" american.


There needs (for the blue side's sake) to be a similar down to earth candidate. Bush Senior, not Carter/Clinton is the way to go here.
I mean it is this basic ignorance of headline facts, not to the mention nuances, of American politics that makes me question everything you post.

This is not the first time you have been spectacularly wrong on the simplest of matters.

The Democrats need a down to earth southern gentleman. The Republicans however can nominate an accused rapist, serial sexual assailant, bankrupt, protectionist, liar by nature, who insults them, the country and everything in general and win? Really?
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StringerBell 20:19 24-07-2018 (6 Thanks)
I replied to him too, he actually brought a reply out of me this time. The man is unreal, whats that the 4th or 5th flip flop on Russia in a week?

He really does think his supporters are absolute idiots of the lowest order who will just swallow any line of bull**** he feeds them. Is he right? Well, I guess there is evidence to suggest he is.

But great, nice to see him on back on the Russia interferes with elections train today, or at that moment anyway. What is the commander in chief doing to protect the integrity of the elections now that he is sure they will be working hard to effect change.
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mcmoustache 20:33 24-07-2018 (13 Thanks)
Originally Posted by StringerBell:

He really does think his supporters are absolute idiots of the lowest order who will just swallow any line of bull**** he feeds them. Is he right? Well, I guess there is evidence to suggest he is.

What's even more fascinating is his supporters' defense of the positions that he takes and then contradicts hours or days later. I think it was you that mentioned this over the weekend although others may have too.


This pattern repeats itself so many times:


Trump takes a position - his supporters defend it.
Trump takes the opposite position - his supporters defend this position too.
Repeat. Repeat.



I mean, think about it for a second. How does it even make sense? All it does is rip their credibility to shreds. When it's pointed out to them, you get some serious mental gymnastics and literal nonsense,



And then they wonder why they're getting a hard time in a fact-based forum.
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StringerBell 20:56 24-07-2018 (3 Thanks)
Yes I am fascinated by how much they can take, how many times he can make an absolute fool out of them and they continue to do the same things. There is definitely a PhD in it for someone looking to add to the body of work in the field of either personality cults/political science/cognitive dissonance.
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dr.fuzzenstein 21:45 24-07-2018 (1 Thanks)
Originally Posted by StringerBell:
Yes I am fascinated by how much they can take, how many times he can make an absolute fool out of them and they continue to do the same things. There is definitely a PhD in it for someone looking to add to the body of work in the field of either personality cults/political science/cognitive dissonance.
I think it's merely a Pavlovian reflex at this stage.
Trump could just stand up there and ring a bell and the crowd would go nuts for him.
Throw a few doggy treats and they'll walk into the fires of hell for him.
I don't think any higher brain functions are involved.
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everlast75 21:55 24-07-2018 (16 Thanks)
Trump has finally gone full George Orwell. He is trying his last trick. "Don't believe your eyes. Believe me instead"

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...466308097?s=19
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Inquitus 22:14 24-07-2018 (2 Thanks)
Originally Posted by everlast75:
Trump has finally gone full George Orwell. He is trying his last trick. "Don't believe your eyes. Believe me instead"
I don't think Barnier is going to take much **** off of Trump when he meets him shortly, the EU has a bigger economy and we can go toe to toe with the US if we have to, as Phil Hogan said today, we should face him down on this trade spat and not give an inch.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...ogan-1.3573733
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everlast75 22:41 24-07-2018 (20 Thanks)
Originally Posted by Inquitus:
I don't think Barnier is going to take much **** off of Trump when he meets him shortly, the EU has a bigger economy and we can go toe to toe with the US if we have to, as Phil Hogan said today, we should face him down on this trade spat and not give an inch.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...ogan-1.3573733
If Trump gets me to agree with Phil ****ing Hogan, that'll be actually the worst thing he has ever done
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The Backwards Man 23:36 24-07-2018
We're going to run out of Roman numerals before this is all over.
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BonnieSituation 23:37 24-07-2018
Originally Posted by The Backwards Man:
We're going to run out of Roman numerals before this is all over.
We can just move to letters then... :P
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