Fodder Crisis

Keepgrowing · 04-02-2019 12:13am

kevthegaff wrote: »

How much a ton?

175/tonne I think. I’ll check in am

mengele · 04-02-2019 12:34am

Keepgrowing wrote: »

175/tonne I think. I’ll check in am

Is there a minimum you would have to order. It would need to be kept in a dry shed so.

Keepgrowing · 04-02-2019 12:50am

mengele wrote: »

Is there a minimum you would have to order. It would need to be kept in a dry shed so.

Must be kept dry.

stretch film · 04-02-2019 12:50am

mengele wrote: »

Is there a minimum you would have to order. It would need to be kept in a dry shed so.

Def kept dry .
Read somewhere there are issues with it when wet.

High bike · 04-02-2019 12:04pm

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Must be kept dry.

What feed value is in it??

mahoney_j · 04-02-2019 12:30pm

High bike wrote: »

What feed value is in it??

Frig all in a ration or nut u wouldn’t want it’s inclusion as it’s merly a filler ,however it worked ok for lads thru last years drought and stretching silage over winter

Bass Reeves · 04-02-2019 12:31pm

High bike wrote: »

What feed value is in it??

Palm Kernel is according to GP feeds
89%DM,
12.7%ME
17.9% crude protein
3.9% Starch
1% sugars

It more than likly varies I taught it was about 15%P, ME looks very good. It is a Hi protein fibres source with low sugar content. I think Kerry group imported it last Autumn but it was costing 220ish/ton for 10 ton loads tipped in the yard. You can buy from most millers. Not sure what you would mix it with if going into a bin or if you can Nut or Cube it. Nut or cubing should cost about 15/ton but more than likely something like molasses would need to be added. If looking for smaller amounts 4-5 ton loads ring local miller and get a price. Consider going 50/50 with maize. This would give you a feed as follows not sure of the price of maize but it is cheaper than barley

89%DM,
13.6%ME
13.7% crude protein
36% Starch
1% sugars

Another options better if blowing into a bin is adding soya hulls but hullls are expensive this winter AFAIK.

89%DM,
12.3%ME
14.7% crude protein
4.5% Starch
0.5% sugars

TBH if blowing into a bin I would consider nutting it for an extra 15/ton. Having said that if you will be feeding it fast (emptying the bin in 3-4 weeks it should be ok) Adding citrus pulp would be another option. Ring any good independent merchant and they should be able to advise you on the different options

I says · 06-02-2019 4:05pm

Silage count done am fine till last week of March, if shed stays full otherwise if spring is alright cattle will be turned out from 1st of March in batches if co diction’s allow

Bass Reeves · 06-02-2019 5:59pm

Checked the price of Palm Kernel today. It 210/ton for half loads and 225/ton for 4-5 ton blown into a bin that is from Kerry group similar to last Autumn

Bass Reeves · 11-02-2019 3:51pm

Checked ground temperature today it is slightly above 6C. Expect growth this week did a farm walk covers are quite good. Looking at a turn out day in 2 weeks time. Expect to turn out over 40% of cattle then expect to turn rest out before Mid March. Some serious covers on the farm only thing is I do not think DM is as high as other years. No brown tip on the leaves to any extent. Have about 20% of the farm that did not get Urea expect to spread on that this week.

Timmaay · 11-02-2019 4:17pm

Near perfect utilitiization at least though, and very little poaching, unlike the whole of last spring.

Mooooo · 11-02-2019 4:21pm

Timmaay wrote: »

Near perfect utilitiization at least though, and very little poaching, unlike the whole of last spring.

A bit of poaching here and cleanout not great but I may be in too high a cover. Heavier ground was grazed around Oct 20 but good growth has a high cover on it. Was trying to get some of it now as March may come wet or dry. I'd say I will pull out and head for the drier ground to get thru covers.

Timmaay · 15-02-2019 4:29pm

I drove by at least 5 local farms today with with zero stock out, but loads of big covers of grass. After the whole panic all last year are they all now trying to just use up fodder ha?

dzer2 · 15-02-2019 4:56pm

Ah no they are building up cover for the drought

Mooooo · 15-02-2019 6:33pm

Timmaay wrote: »

I drove by at least 5 local farms today with with zero stock out, but loads of big covers of grass. After the whole panic all last year are they all now trying to just use up fodder ha?

A lot of lads delayed calving a week or two so numbers may not be there. Edit fcuking covered me phone in iodone

whelan2 · 15-02-2019 6:38pm

Timmaay wrote: »

I drove by at least 5 local farms today with with zero stock out, but loads of big covers of grass. After the whole panic all last year are they all now trying to just use up fodder ha?

They are probably all saying that looper Timmaay has his cows out again, he'll have no grass when he needs it

Timmaay · 15-02-2019 6:42pm

Mooooo wrote: »

A lot of lads delayed calving a week or two so numbers may not be there. Edit fcuking covered me phone in iodone

3 of them are in winter milk..

Bass Reeves · 15-02-2019 8:02pm

Timmaay wrote: »

I drove by at least 5 local farms today with with zero stock out, but loads of big covers of grass. After the whole panic all last year are they all now trying to just use up fodder ha?

I am like that this year. As a drystock farmer when they go out 100% of diet will be grass. I have an issue this year in that I am away for two weeks in April so do not want to leave lad looking after the p!ace with a grass issue.

Say my name · 15-02-2019 9:15pm

Timmaay wrote: »

I drove by at least 5 local farms today with with zero stock out, but loads of big covers of grass. After the whole panic all last year are they all now trying to just use up fodder ha?

Everyone has stock being let out around this area. Some as far as I can see never even put them in a shed yet.
There's one lad has the milkers out night and day now. Now he's the talk of the parish...

There's some serious grass growers about though. You'd be miles trailing behind them. They're very coy with their secrets though.

I think some people just don't like to have silage left in the pit or just aim for a full-time grazing start. Crazy though. If you want to grow grass you have to graze grass.

whelan2 · 15-02-2019 9:24pm

My dad was at a funeral last week another farmer from a good bit away came over to him to say is it true whelan had her cows out in January. My dad said yes for about ten days. The other lad said that someone had told him and he didn't believe it. I don't see the problem. If grazing conditions are right work with it. Edited to say we are opening second pit tomorrow that would normally have been opened mid January

Timmaay · 15-02-2019 10:07pm

Say my name wrote: »

Everyone has stock being let out around this area. Some as far as I can see never even put them in a shed yet.
There's one lad has the milkers out night and day now. Now he's the talk of the parish...

There's some serious grass growers about though. You'd be miles trailing behind them. They're very coy with their secrets though.

I think some people just don't like to have silage left in the pit or just aim for a full-time grazing start. Crazy though. If you want to grow grass you have to graze grass.

If they are out night and day only now then he's 6wks behind many others ha. I have a load of maize, hayage and straw still, alongside 30ft of pit silage, the aim is to buffer the milkers with maize whole way thro rd1 (with barely enough nuts to cover the cal mag), maize and hay or straw to the drys, and hold onto the pit silage to next winter (or the summer, who knows after 2018 haha), that 30ft of silage is about 17days of full time feed, or the best part of 4k worth of, will go a long way towards my aim of having a buffer of about 6wks full time feed for everything here for any future 2018s ha.

Mac Taylor · 15-02-2019 10:25pm

Get a few sheep, no problem with too much grass then:D

Say my name · 16-02-2019 9:28am

whelan2 wrote: »

My dad was at a funeral last week another farmer from a good bit away came over to him to say is it true whelan had her cows out in January. My dad said yes for about ten days. The other lad said that someone had told him and he didn't believe it. I don't see the problem. If grazing conditions are right work with it. Edited to say we are opening second pit tomorrow that would normally have been opened mid January

I don't think there is a problem.
If there is a talk it'll be of admiration. I know that's the case around here.
Michael Doran was on the radio there now again cows out day and night. Talk will be generated again. It'll be of incredulity that cows are out day and night a month sooner than normal.
I take pride in being talked about!

Keepgrowing · 16-02-2019 9:33am

Winter herd out by day since 12/1
Spring calvers out day and night since 28/1 ie first calf. They’re in two groups main herd and penno/fresh group.
All weanlings out since 3/2.

It really makes life much easier

Buford T. Justice XIX · 16-02-2019 10:43am

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Winter herd out by day since 12/1
Spring calvers out day and night since 28/1 ie first calf. They’re in two groups main herd and penno/fresh group.
All weanlings out since 3/2.

It really makes life much easier

And grass growing well for the tightest period of the year at the start of the second rotation.

Dakota Dan · 16-02-2019 11:16am

whelan2 wrote: »

My dad was at a funeral last week another farmer from a good bit away came over to him to say is it true whelan had her cows out in January. My dad said yes for about ten days. The other lad said that someone had told him and he didn't believe it. I don't see the problem. If grazing conditions are right work with it. Edited to say we are opening second pit tomorrow that would normally have been opened mid January

That's good going and didn't you have them out until early December? Plenty with cows out here by day, I'd say they want to graze the grass while its there if we get a March like last year all the grass that's there now will melt. They can use the feed they saved by grazing if that happens.

Bass Reeves · 16-02-2019 11:23am

Dakota Dan wrote: »

That's good going and didn't you have them out until early December? Plenty with cows out here by day, I'd say they want to graze the grass while its there if we get a March like last year all the grass that's there now will melt. They can use the feed they saved by grazing if that happens.

I do not where lads have this idea that grass melts. A cold spell will stop growth
but grass will not melt. What will happen is that the DM will rise as water leaves the grass. Biggest issue with a col spell is no growth there is no such thinh as grass melting. If I have one fear about this year is while covers are high DM content of grass could be lower than other springs. Last year was a cold spring grass did not melt in me the f@@king thing stopped growing and there was no second rotation.

Dakota Dan · 16-02-2019 11:27am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I do not where lads have this idea that grass melts. A cold spell will stop growth
but grass will not melt. What will happen is that the DM will rise as water leaves the grass. Biggest issue with a col spell is no growth there is no such thinh as grass melting. If I have one fear about this year is while covers are high DM content of grass could be lower than other springs. Last year was a cold spring grass did not melt in me the f@@king thing stopped growing and there was no second rotation.

Did you ever see grass getting burnt with hard frost? Think back to 2013.

GrasstoMilk · 16-02-2019 11:39am

Say my name wrote: »

I don't think there is a problem.
If there is a talk it'll be of admiration. I know that's the case around here.
Michael Doran was on the radio there now again cows out day and night. Talk will be generated again. It'll be of incredulity that cows are out day and night a month sooner than normal.
I take pride in being talked about!

We're out day and night here for the last ten days. No one can see where we are though. Madness not too. Serious saving on silage. Where we probably would have ran out silage at paddys day will be much closer to the start of the second round. Half of our maiden heifers are out aswell.
There's no secrets to growing grass. Follow the teagasc guidelines and you'll grow as much as any one. Our farm has gone from growing 10t in 2013 to 16t in 2017 and back to 9t in 2018. I really know the value of grass after last year!

Bass Reeves · 16-02-2019 12:08pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Did you ever see grass getting burnt with hard frost? Think back to 2013.

Yes it will happen on heavier covers and on lighter covers where there in no N. I have no issue as a beef man on heavier covers as this rises the dry matter and lowers the P in the grass. Dairying needs the P in the grass to keep solids in the milk. Those burnt tip on the grass are often above 70%DM and will raise the DM in the grass to the very high 20's and even low 30's. Cattle digest best at 40%DM excess water needs to be got rid of and takes energy just like wet turf and timber in a fire. As a finisher too much P will only grow not flesh cattle.

Nearly all research in Ireland is dairy based and Teagasc and other transfer it without looking further at it to transfer to beef. Them burnt tip are the enemy of the dairy man who is feeding 3+kgs of nuts and silage as he needs the P for solids and the ration will counteract the lower DM. This is why cattle growth is so poor in the autumn due to low DM in grass and the dairy man feeds higher rates og nuts to counteract same.

The most important thing about spring grass is you have enough of it. As a beef man I would not rush out cleaning off low covers it takes grass to grow grass. Like i said earlier in a normal year I be out now but I am away for a few weeks in April and need to make sure I have enough grass.

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