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Robert ninja · 07-08-2019 8:49am

Games don't cause gun violence just racism, sexism etc. Mainstream gaming outlets all willing to defend gaming in unison as soon as its against bad orange man.

In news: take-two send goons after guy who used publicly available borderlands information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFOT7tugm84

Guy was a bit of a naive fool to have given them the time of day.

Star Lord · 07-08-2019 9:08am

Robert ninja wrote: »

Games don't cause gun violence just racism, sexism etc.

No, they don't cause any of these things, but of course those that are prone to spout such nonsense are more noticeable and vocal than those that don't, and tend to be those that shout loudest.

Grumpypants · 07-08-2019 11:33am

Robert ninja wrote: »

Games don't cause gun violence just racism, sexism etc. Mainstream gaming outlets all willing to defend gaming in unison as soon as its against bad orange man.

It goes both ways though, the number of "Youtube consumer advocates" that have spent the last two years banging on about the need for government censorship of loot boxes because it destroys the lives of vulnerable people. Are now claiming the hyper-sexualized video game violence has no impact on these same vulnerable people.

Make up your mind. Either loot boxes are fine or Anita was right. You can't have it both ways. :pac:

gimli2112 · 07-08-2019 11:37am

that's a totally different argument. using specific, tried and tested mechanics to entice people to buy your stuff or the suggestion that videogames influence people towards violence.

marcbrophy · 07-08-2019 12:15pm

Personally, I hate playing FPS games!
Sick of the amount of mass shooting IRL they force me to commit

kunst nugget · 07-08-2019 12:21pm

Grumpypants wrote: »

Make up your mind. Either loot boxes are fine or Anita was right. You can't have it both ways. :pac:

Absolute nonsense argument. Psychologists are hired by game companies to make the likes of lot boxes more addictive. They're not being employed to make the games more racist or sexist or to create psychopathic violent tendencies in their users.

Robert ninja · 07-08-2019 12:47pm

Grumpypants wrote: »

need for government censorship of loot boxes

Whose asking for this? Almost every critic of loot-boxes (and similar topics) I've ever seen and has been asking for it not to be targeted to children and for proper labeling and already established gambling licenses/practices to be enforced.
Limitations of a business model can't be considered censorship since it doesn't restrict actual content and therefore no restriction on expression. There's full blown casino games nobody gets outraged by:

Yakuza & God Hand had full casinos in them too and I thought they were great. The whole GTA thing however is rightly criticised because you can invest real money into it.

Star Lord wrote: »

those that are prone to spout such nonsense are more noticeable and vocal than those that don't, and tend to be those that shout loudest.

They also tend to be hired by mainstream gaming outlets that give them the megaphone making them capable of being so loud.

Speaking of lootboxes though - They're in the news:
https://nichegamer.com/2019/08/06/psyonix-is-removing-paid-randomized-loot-crates-from-rocket-league/

johnny_ultimate · 07-08-2019 12:48pm

As ever, it’s important to stress the difference between ‘critiquing games’ portrayal of violence’ and ‘correlating video games to violence’.

There are plenty of aspects of the way games use violence that are worthy of discussion and debate - the new Call of Duty using white phosphorous as a multiplayer power-up isn’t just some silly quirk of the medium to be instantly dismissed. You can criticise these things and call for games to do better without yelling ‘BAN THEM! WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!’ Equally, one can recognise that someone shouting ‘video games are responsible for the latest mass shooting!’ is mostly a political ploy aimed at scapegoating the real causes, and has no supported scientific basis.

But that also can’t be used as, say, an excuse to instantly dismiss concerns that the extremist wing of video game culture is sadly often a gateway to some of the viler parts of the web where several mass shooters have recently found a sympathetic home. A small minority, thankfully, but disturbing to see the 8chan psychopaths talking about ‘high scores’ when it comes to these things. The ‘ironic / very online’ argument kinda goes out the window when you have three mass shooters on your hands in a year or so.

As said, ‘violent video games ——> violence’ is largely nonsense. Should not distract from sensible criticism of either games or aspects of gaming culture where justified.

Star Lord · 07-08-2019 1:19pm

Robert ninja wrote: »

Speaking of lootboxes though - They're in the news:

You read me absolutely wrong. Those that spout sexist and racist garbage online/in game voice chat etc are those I'm talking about, not those that complain about sexist and racist garbage in gaming.

Robert ninja · 07-08-2019 1:37pm

Star Lord wrote: »

You read me absolutely wrong. Those that spout sexist and racist garbage online/in game voice chat etc are those I'm talking about, not those that complain about sexist and racist garbage in gaming.

Fair enough. I just thought it hypocritical for the current mainstream gaming outlets to be rallying in unison (either game journos pros 2.0 or they're that much of a hivemind?) to defend gaming just because it's contrarian to big bad Trump when a lot of what they write shytes on gaming and blames it and its audience for everything under the sun.

Here's some recent related content:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q0WbDzxcVA

Star Lord · 07-08-2019 1:56pm

Robert ninja wrote: »

Fair enough. I just thought it hypocritical for the current mainstream gaming outlets to be rallying in unison (either game journos pros 2.0 or they're that much of a hivemind?) to defend gaming just because it's contrarian to big bad Trump when a lot of what they write shytes on gaming and blames it and its audience for everything under the sun.

Blaming gun violence on games, when every country in the world has access to the same games, but not the same access to guns, is just nonsensical.

Blaming any kind of event/trait on games is nonsense. Anyone that's going to do something because of a game/games was already unbalanced, they'd have to be to carry out these acts.

Games are not responsible for gun violence, no more than they are responsible for racism or sexism. Featuring racism or sexism in a game is obviously indicative of issues with those creating them though.

Don't spout sh!te about some kind of hivemind, when you happily echo the sentiments that you agree with too, those of the bigoted and hate spouting sites that you browse because they agree with the way you think. That's as much a 'hivemind' as anyone else that agrees with the points you dislike.

Robert ninja · 07-08-2019 2:06pm

I don't know why you're being hostile or arguing. I overall agree that gun violence in the US has nothing to do with video games or even gun access for that matter. USA has a very unique issue of serial killers and mass shootings for a rich 1st world country.

Varik · 07-08-2019 2:51pm

I think people put too much emphasis on mass shootings in general with gun crime. Seen it pop up in relation to the recent mass shootings that there were 46 people shot in Chicago alone over the weekend.

Just on Loot boxes and the like, GTA released their casino update for GTA online. The game has the ability to buy in game cash so that with the casino update has had the update be slightly different between different regions.

johnny_ultimate · 07-08-2019 3:03pm

Varik wrote: »

I think people put too much emphasis on mass shootings in general with gun crime. Seen it pop up in relation to the recent mass shootings that there were 46 people shot in Chicago alone over the weekend.

Ah go away with that. Gun crime in general is a big problem in the US, nobody denies that. But there are regular instances of psychopaths going in and murdering dozens of people - whether that’s children or people with different skin colours - with weapons they can easily procure. Of course people are going to make a big ****ing deal out of it: it would be moral cowardice to do otherwise. It’s imperative to not become desensitised to such horrid, evil events.

Robert ninja · 07-08-2019 3:20pm

Article just released about this very topic:
https://theconversation.com/mass-shootings-arent-growing-more-common-and-evidence-contradicts-common-stereotypes-about-the-killers-121471

SomeSayKos · 07-08-2019 3:36pm

Varik wrote: »

I think people put too much emphasis on mass shootings in general with gun crime. Seen it pop up in relation to the recent mass shootings that there were 46 people shot in Chicago alone over the weekend.

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well thats the worst take on mass shootings i've seen in a long time....

Sonics2k · 07-08-2019 4:08pm

Grumpypants wrote: »

It goes both ways though, the number of "Youtube consumer advocates" that have spent the last two years banging on about the need for government censorship of loot boxes because it destroys the lives of vulnerable people. Are now claiming the hyper-sexualized video game violence has no impact on these same vulnerable people.

Make up your mind. Either loot boxes are fine or Anita was right. You can't have it both ways. :pac:

That's not how addiction works. That's not how it works at all. You're comparing two very different things.

Varik · 07-08-2019 4:52pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Ah go away with that. Gun crime in general is a big problem in the US, nobody denies that. But there are regular instances of psychopaths going in and murdering dozens of people - whether that’s children or people with different skin colours - with weapons they can easily procure. Of course people are going to make a big ****ing deal out of it: it would be moral cowardice to do otherwise. It’s imperative to not become desensitised to such horrid, evil events.

Mass shooting make up under half a percent of gun homicides, they should not be the focus of any legislative change.

Notorious · 07-08-2019 5:53pm

Varik wrote: »

Mass shooting make up under half a percent of gun homicides, they should not be the focus of any legislative change.

Yeah that's a very strange opinion.

EoinHef · 08-08-2019 5:16pm

Text of a neil degrasse tyson tweet below:

Neil deGrasse Tyson
@neiltyson
In the past 48hrs, the USA horrifically lost 34 people to mass shootings.

On average, across any 48hrs, we also lose…

500 to Medical errors
300 to the Flu
250 to Suicide
200 to Car Accidents
40 to Homicide via Handgun

Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data.

Similar point to variks i think. He got a hammering for saying it. He has apologised already. While i think the point has merit i think the timing of the tweet is well off.

ERG89 · 08-08-2019 5:32pm

Funny how Reggie talks more sense than most of the loud idiots in America who came out in between storming area 51 & shooting at hurricanes.

https://twitter.com/Reggie/status/1158587215309463554?s=19

gimli2112 · 09-08-2019 10:10am

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/gaming/2019/08/08/walmart-mass-shooting-stores-removing-violent-video-game-displays/1962146001/

Finally Walmart is taking some responsibility and removing violent videogame displays from it's stores in the wake of recent shooting in them. They're still selling guns so if you turn up having forgotten yours you can get one there.

Zero-Cool · 09-08-2019 10:56am

gimli2112 wrote: »

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/gaming/2019/08/08/walmart-mass-shooting-stores-removing-violent-video-game-displays/1962146001/

Finally Walmart is taking some responsibility and removing violent videogame displays from it's stores in the wake of recent shooting in them. They're still selling guns so if you turn up having forgotten yours you can get one there.

Yupp....yupp games are definitely the problem

https://twitter.com/TomKingKF/status/1159520499183083521?s=19

TitianGerm · 09-08-2019 10:58am

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Yupp....yupp games are definitely the problem

https://twitter.com/TomKingKF/status/1159520499183083521?s=19

Maybe he's just buying a few marshmallows to use as silencers

pixelburp · 09-08-2019 11:34am

Do not underestimate the "good guy with a gun" fallacy. It's pretty much why the response when schools get shot at and children die, some peoples' logic was not " ban the rifles", but "let's arm the teachers".

The more things change, the more the stay the same.

Shiminay · 09-08-2019 11:44am

I mean when you consider that all of the USA is build on Ancient Indian Burial Grounds (tm), it's no wonder the place is so fked...

J. Marston · 09-08-2019 11:55am

As I saw someone say, carrying around an assault rifle for no reason just screams "I have a tiny penis."

Potential-Monke · 09-08-2019 12:44pm

Even the Picard facepalm isn't enough for this anymore...

Venom · 09-08-2019 12:48pm

J. Marston wrote: »

As I saw someone say, carrying around an assault rifle for no reason just screams "I have a tiny penis."

Deffo a case of just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Gunmonkey · 09-08-2019 3:43pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Do not underestimate the "good guy with a gun" fallacy. It's pretty much why the response when schools get shot at and children die, some peoples' logic was not " ban the rifles", but "let's arm the teachers".

The more things change, the more the stay the same.

Because then there will be more guns sold (and if they are arming teachers or guards in schools that would possibly be a very sweet Gov contract a company could ride for years). Which leads to more ardent voted from pro-NRA voters and nice little brown envelope, tap nose, saynomoresaynomore for the elected officials.

90% of most business these days is trying to break new markets, and the Gov is the big tamale there with bottomless pockets and fairly lackadaisical oversight at the best of times.

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