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CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

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    #5492
    duffman13
    Registered Users Posts: 8,946 ✭✭✭duffman13


    mloc123 wrote: »
    You need to consider how many of these people would have died anyway this year. The figures from a few days ago indicated that 20 people died in ICU and 150 outside that, I assume these 150 are nursing home deaths.

    It might sound heartless, but people go into nursing homes to die.. generally. I would like to see stats on the average term somebody stays in a nursing home before dying.

    We will not know the real death rate of this for a year or so, when we look at the number of deaths per month/year compared to previous years.

    Between 2 and 4 years, the majority of people are over 85 in nursing homes! I would dispute the assumption that people go there to die. People go there to have a social outlet, some go there for specialised care.

    You seem to be getting confused with a hospice, where people actually go to die


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    #5493
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Celia Sweet Snowmobile wrote: »
    How is there so many nursing home cases? Aren't people not allowed visits currently?

    Huge numbers of agency carers and nurses a lot of them living 5-6 in a house with others moving from one nursing home to another. No proper PPE either. Was always going to be ground zero


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    #5494
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Maybe Im wrong but was a lot of that increase yesterday not from adding nursing home deaths? France was reporting 400-500 hospital deaths for a few days before that, would be surprising if deaths jumped by such a huge amount

    Didn't realize that thanks


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    #5495
    duffman13
    Registered Users Posts: 8,946 ✭✭✭duffman13


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    We ended up with 36 deaths yesterday

    Which is massively high however we seem to be relatively transparent counting these things.

    France - Werent counting nursing homes till recently
    UK - Numbers only include those in hospitals
    Italy - Only used numbers who had been tested, if patients died with Covid symptoms they may or may not have been recorded. (Have a look at Lombardy in particular.

    Numerous examples all over the world. The inclusion here of nursing homes seems to be a bit against the grain of whats happening elsewhere


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    #5496
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users Posts: 14,329 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    No, the reason why the majority end up in a nursing home is because they are no longer able to look after themselves at home, and for all sort of reasons families don't want to or aren't able to care for their parents/relatives.

    I would say when you are looking at said statistics, get a list of many get visitors etc and ensure that they are still part of the family and cared for etc, loneliness is a major killer - which is why this time is so hard for those elderly people living alone.

    There are numerous stories of elderly people dying at home in Italy where it's very common that the extended family still lives together.

    If the Italians were more prone to using nursing homes then I'm sure they'd have similar stats


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    #5497
    bekker
    Registered Users Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Maybe we could get a licence from University of Warwick et al to manufacture this iron lung here, could be a less damaging alternative to ventilator if CPAP insufficient.

    508792.png


    https://newatlas.com/medical/british-engineers-modern-iron-lung-covid-19-ventilator-alternative


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    #5498
    Ace2007
    Registered Users Posts: 19,678 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    duffman13 wrote: »
    Which is massively high however we seem to be relatively transparent counting these things.

    France - Werent counting nursing homes till recently
    UK - Numbers only include those in hospitals
    Italy - Only used numbers who had been tested, if patients died with Covid symptoms they may or may not have been recorded. (Have a look at Lombardy in particular.

    Numerous examples all over the world. The inclusion here of nursing homes seems to be a bit against the grain of whats happening elsewhere

    Yes but maybe had those people not be reckless, the number might have been lower for instance.

    You can justify anything you want using comparisons, but let's work with what we can control.

    For all those who think the parks and beaches idea is ok. Would you be happy with nurses/doctors/healthcare workers/anyone working in a healthcare sector going for meet up's in said parks and beaches, even if the risk is low?


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    #5499
    NewbridgeIR
    Registered Users Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    Some top class virtue signalling here

    https://twitter.com/stephie08/status/1247782321584930820


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    #5500
    DisneyLover
    Registered Users Posts: 393 ✭✭DisneyLover


    Do ye think social distancing and working from home etc will end in the next few weeks ?


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    #5501
    New Home
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    bekker wrote: »
    Maybe we could get a licence from University of Warwick et al to manufacture this iron lung here, could be a less damaging alternative to ventilator if CPAP insufficient.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=508792&stc=1&d=1586358921

    https://newatlas.com/medical/british-engineers-modern-iron-lung-covid-19-ventilator-alternative

    I remember those from back in the day, their bulkier version was used on a lot of people affected by poliomyelitis.

    I wonder would a hyperbaric chamber help at all... then again, if the lungs are permanently damaged by the virus, there's very little that can help.


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    #5502
    Blanco100
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    NewbridgeIR wrote: »
    Some top class virtue signalling here

    https://twitter.com/stephie08/status/1247782321584930820

    The message has even already changed from "don't go to your second home" to "if you have gone then you cannot move from there".


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    #5503
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    duffman13 wrote: »
    Which is massively high however we seem to be relatively transparent counting these things.

    France - Werent counting nursing homes till recently
    UK - Numbers only include those in hospitals
    Italy - Only used numbers who had been tested, if patients died with Covid symptoms they may or may not have been recorded. (Have a look at Lombardy in particular.

    Numerous examples all over the world. The inclusion here of nursing homes seems to be a bit against the grain of whats happening elsewhere

    Bill De Blasio has said similar today. Deaths at home in NY may not be included in death stats if no test was done.


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    #5504
    duffman13
    Registered Users Posts: 8,946 ✭✭✭duffman13


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Yes but maybe had those people not be reckless, the number might have been lower for instance.

    You can justify anything you want using comparisons, but let's work with what we can control.

    Ah no I agree 100% however at least we are being honest with numbers.

    The nursing home clusters would seem to signify length of time in contact with a case plays a big effect on spread. They are unfortunately going to continue to be the hardest his during this


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    #5505
    callaway92
    Registered Users Posts: 14,343 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    DisneyLover wrote: »
    Do ye think social distancing and working from home etc will end in the next few weeks ?

    Social distancing no - That’s here to stay for a while.

    Working home will probably be less restricted come the last weekend of April but still at company discretion


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    #5506
    Ace2007
    Registered Users Posts: 19,678 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    There are numerous stories of elderly people dying at home in Italy where it's very common that the extended family still lives together.

    If the Italians were more prone to using nursing homes then I'm sure they'd have similar stats

    I think you picked up me wrong, or else quoted wrong person?


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    #5507
    duffman13
    Registered Users Posts: 8,946 ✭✭✭duffman13


    NewbridgeIR wrote: »
    Some top class virtue signalling here

    https://twitter.com/stephie08/status/1247782321584930820

    Not on twitter but it seems from what I have seen posted on here, you can easily spot the **** from their bios :D


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    #5508
    RugbyLad11
    Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭RugbyLad11


    Why is the covid unemployment payment 350 but regular unemployment is about 150. If they think 150 is not enough why don't they increase it?


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    #5509
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,217 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    I'm getting tired of statements like this. People made the same comments when there was a few videos of people on the beach two weeks ago. "Look at them all outside, were going to be like Italy in two weeks". But we didn't end up like Italy. Now we have people complaining about families walking three abreast and their neighbor who came back with shopping without any gloves on. We wont see a spike in two weeks. We will likely see a fall in two weeks.

    There is a balance. We are doing a good job. Give people a break nobody is perfect and most people are doing their very best.

    Nobody is perfect but some aren't even trying. One rule for them another for the rest of us. Most isn't good enough, 10% breaking the rules makes the measures only half as effective.

    Remember, every single case in two weeks time was contracted after today. And every single one of those preventable if the rules were obeyed.

    It should be at near zero in two weeks if there aren't entitled clowns out spreading it.


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    #5510
    Lwaker.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭Lwaker.


    I see Captain Harris decided to clog up the garda phone lines in one fell swoop


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    #5511
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 76,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    Why is the covid unemployment payment 350 but regular unemployment is about 150. If they think 150 is not enough why don't they increase it?

    Because this is an emergency payment.


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    #5512
    d51984
    Registered Users Posts: 927 ✭✭✭d51984


    My uncle is getting buried tomorrow and we cant even say goodbye. He is sitting in the mortuary in Beaumont hospital and no one can go near him.

    Hes more than a number, hes my family, hes someones husband, hes someones dad, someones son, someones uncle. and he is so alone. My hearts breaking.

    Stay home, stay safe and god bless you all.

    I dont know anyone personally on these forums, but the messages you have sent have touched my heart. They mean a lot.

    God bless Ireland... stay safe.

    Its a disgrace Joe!



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    #5513
    Buddy97mm
    Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭Buddy97mm


    YFlyer wrote: »
    The link here shows the 1st page of an old paper. It is to see if there are any biochemical differences between intelligent people and idiots. The researchers measured the phosphate levels in the subjects bloods. It was determined that the idiots have higher phosphate levels compared to everyone else.

    Has potential..lol

    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/73/1890/316.1

    Seriously high phosphate levels in this thread at times


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    #5514
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    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    Why is the covid unemployment payment 350 but regular unemployment is about 150. If they think 150 is not enough why don't they increase it?

    Regular is 208 is it not. And for covid its 350 to stop people who have symptoms from feeling too much financial pressure to go sick


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    #5515
    New Home
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    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Nobody is perfect but some aren't even trying. One rule for them another for the rest of us. Most isn't good enough, 10% breaking the rules makes the measures only half as effective.

    Remember, every single case in two weeks time was contracted after today. And every single one of those preventable if the rules were obeyed.

    It should be at near zero in two weeks if there aren't entitled clowns out spreading it.

    Replace "States" with "people".
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    #5516
    RugbyLad11
    Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭RugbyLad11


    New Home wrote: »
    Because this is an emergency payment.

    I know but I guess 350 was calculated as the min someone can survive on? I wonder why regular unemployment payment is not this amount


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    #5517
    duffman13
    Registered Users Posts: 8,946 ✭✭✭duffman13


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    Why is the covid unemployment payment 350 but regular unemployment is about 150. If they think 150 is not enough why don't they increase it?

    Regular unemployment is near 200 I think. Most people on jobseekers are there long term and generally would be in rented/council housing with some form of welfare payment and dont contribute to society. Those laid off temporarily have paid credits and deserve more along with the fact the majority of them would probably have mortgages and other short term debt to be paid. There is no need to increase anyones jobseekers in the long term, this Covid payment is to help adjust over time.


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    #5518
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    It's not a good way of measuring this virus yet. Its still to early. That only comes relevant when a sizable portion of the population contracts the virus.
    What do you reckon is a good measure then, aside from numbers pulled from your hoop?


    And can you please link again to the post where you provided a source for your "less than 1% death rate"? I can't seem to find it in this fast-moving thread..


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    #5519
    bekker
    Registered Users Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Blanco100 wrote: »
    The message has even already changed from "don't go to your second home" to "if you have gone then you cannot move from there".
    That was obvious from Flanagan's signalling this morning.

    Instead of Gardaí telling them to pack-up and return to their permanent residence, they're being allowed to stay in place to pollute the local towns and villages with their presence in shops and pharmacies.

    Maybe some people were given the tip-off to get away early.


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    #5520
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,199 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Blanco100 wrote: »
    The message has even already changed from "don't go to your second home" to "if you have gone then you cannot move from there".

    It was a question asked of the garda commissioner this afternoon about what if people are already in a house down the country and he said that's now your legal residence until the end of the weekend at the earliest. Same restrictions apply. Not much point in anyone who's already in a house leaving to go home now. Their stupidity means the damage is already done


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    #5521
    Ace2007
    Registered Users Posts: 19,678 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    bekker wrote: »
    That was obvious from Flanagan's signalling this morning.

    Instead of Gardaí telling them to pack-up and return to their permanent residence, they're being allowed to stay in place to pollute the local towns and villages with their presence in shops and pharmacies.

    Maybe some people were given the tip-off to get away early.

    But they may be force to stay there - so no work next week


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