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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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    #8312
    hotmail.com
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    Strazdas wrote: »
    Some good news (Irish Times) :

    The Government will consider accelerating the lifting of Covid-19 restrictions if the number of new cases continues to decline, with Taoiseach Leo Varadkar mulling making an announcement in early June on easing aspects of the lockdown.

    After Leo's outing yesterday, I think we can assume that he favours a speeding up.


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    #8313
    bekker
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    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Whats the story with slaughterhouses being a big epicentre? - all over the world it seems..
    Extract from interesting article referencing different investigations into COVID-19 spread.
    ..
    'Meat packing: In meat processing plants, densely packed workers must communicate to one another amidst the deafening drum of industrial machinery and a cold-room virus-preserving environment. There are now outbreaks in 115 facilities across 23 states, 5000+ workers infected, with 20 dead'
    ..

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/coronavirus-covid19-exposure-risk-catching-virus-germs


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    #8314
    An Ciarraioch
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    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Whats the story with slaughterhouses being a big epicentre? - all over the world it seems..

    Working in close proximity to one another, constant conveyor line of material to work with, so limited time for cleaning and disinfecting.


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    #8315
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    VonLuck wrote: »
    How did you exactly arrive at that conclusion? Him not breaking social distancing rules or other restrictions suddenly "confirms that people are now much more relaxed about the whole thing"

    Yes.

    It's a joke now.


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    #8316
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Eh no he is clearly with two meters of all four people he's with, it astounds me the amount of people with no idea of what 2 meters is

    It's equally clear that Italy has a major problem with giants. This could account for them being so hard hit. Maybe they're super spreaders?

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    #8317
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    Assetbacked wrote: »
    On the RTÉ news just there, the story of the elderly man getting covid19 and recovering giving a message for people to comply and follow the guidance. Meanwhile, RTÉ fail to include a caveat that his own reckless behaviours lead to him getting covid19 by still living with his nurse daughter.

    It’s reckless to choose to live with your family now is it?


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    #8318
    Hector Savage
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    timsey tiger wrote: »
    Yeah - cos Spain really have shown how to manage things :rolleyes:

    People have been out and about for a month now, and there is no new spikes ..


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    #8319
    spookwoman
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Kilkenny becoming a mini epicentre . + 4.7 % in cases, while others counties are 0.2% .

    Got dawn meats in Grannagh, I wonder if Grannagh comes under kilkenny because it is over the other side of the river yet lists itself as co waterford.


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    #8320
    Hector Savage
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    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    People working very closely in cold environments seems to be ideal for spreading. Also been suggested that it's lower paid workers so generally living together in packed houses

    ah yeah, cold ....


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    #8321
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,800 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    8 deaths in NI today:

    https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZGYxNjYzNmUtOTlmZS00ODAxLWE1YTEtMjA0NjZhMzlmN2JmIiwidCI6IjljOWEzMGRlLWQ4ZDctNGFhNC05NjAwLTRiZTc2MjVmZjZjNSIsImMiOjh9


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    #8322
    stephenjmcd
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    Private hospital bed occupancy
    https://twitter.com/MihaiVioreanu/status/1264900112049897472?s=19


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    #8323
    bekker
    Registered Users Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    People have been out and about for a month now, and there is no new spikes ..
    Possibly the relative humidity range in Spain and general outdoor life style may go some way to explain continued suppression of spread.

    Some studies on COVID-19 suggest that a relative humidity range of 40–60% is least favourable for spread.

    Unfortunately neither factor really holds good in Ireland, with a relative humidity range 65-85% v 46-69%, and a generally more indoor lifestyle.


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    #8324
    Hmmzis
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    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Whats the story with slaughterhouses being a big epicentre? - all over the world it seems..

    Shoulder to shoulder all day long on a cutting line, doing hard physical labour. Heavy breathing, poor ventilation and presumably little in terms of PPE. Ideal conditions for this bug to spread.


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    #8325
    US2
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    Assetbacked wrote: »
    On the RTÉ news just there, the story of the elderly man getting covid19 and recovering giving a message for people to comply and follow the guidance. Meanwhile, RTÉ fail to include a caveat that his own reckless behaviours lead to him getting covid19 by still living with his nurse daughter.

    Yep and he had an underlying autoimmune condition


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    #8326
    bb1234567
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    Hmmzis wrote: »
    Shoulder to shoulder all day long on a cutting line, doing hard physical labour. Heavy breathing, poor ventilation and presumably little in terms of PPE. Ideal conditions for this bug to spread.

    Yes but a lot of that could be applicable to a lot of different factory condiitons? But most outbreaks appear to be meat factory specific


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    #8327
    Plumbthedepths
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It’s reckless to choose to live with your family now is it?

    He had an underlying condition, his daughter is frontline. Teenagers meeting one another was not a danger to him. His daughter was.


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    #8328
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    He had an underlying condition, his daughter is frontline. Teenagers meeting one another was not a danger to him. His daughter was.

    Yeah, because this disease just evolved in nurses spontaniously, and didn't involve the wider community at all.


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    #8329
    MrDavid1976
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    Hmmzis wrote: »
    Shoulder to shoulder all day long on a cutting line, doing hard physical labour. Heavy breathing, poor ventilation and presumably little in terms of PPE. Ideal conditions for this bug to spread.

    Yes. And not the normal work environment for most people. Compounded by people sharing accommodation and travelling to work together.

    I would rather we look at what the supermarkets have done and see what can work there in other sectors.


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    #8330
    hmmm
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It’s reckless to choose to live with your family now is it?
    The restrictions thread appears to be leaking in here, they are just about ready to cull anyone who is "not economically viable".


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    #8331
    Plumbthedepths
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    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    Yeah, because this disease just evolved in nurses spontaniously, and didn't involve the wider community at all.
    Well according to Holohan the virus is suppressed in the community. So to me it looks like transmission came from his daughter.


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    #8332
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Well according to Holohan the virus is suppressed in the community. So to me it looks like transmission came from his daughter.

    Yeah exactly, it's just not possible that she caught it from anyone else in the first place. Nurses are bats.


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    #8333
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    He had an underlying condition, his daughter is frontline. Teenagers meeting one another was not a danger to him. His daughter was.

    Did he move in with his daughter or his daughter move in with him after the pandemic started? Genuine question. If they didn’t, what were they to do?


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    #8334
    Plumbthedepths
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Did he move in with his daughter or his daughter move in with him after the pandemic started? Genuine question. If they didn’t, what were they to do?

    I can't answer your question, other than to say both should have been aware of how high risk her profession is and the consequences for him. Although did the government not help health care workers who needed accommodation.


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    #8335
    Plumbthedepths
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    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    Yeah exactly, it's just not possible that she caught it from anyone else in the first place. Nurses are bats.

    Whether she's a bat or not is irrelevant, however her exposure to the virus on a daily basis living with a vulnerable person was asking for trouble, would you not agree?


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    #8336
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Whether she's a bat or not is irrelevant, however her exposure to the virus on a daily basis living with a vulnerable person was asking for trouble, would you not agree?

    You said that "teenagers meeting one another was not a danger to him", without taking into account the chain of infection.

    So either she caught the infecton from someone who caught it from someone else, who caught it from someone else, and so on and on - the metaphoric "teenagers meeting". Or she' a bat.


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    hmmm wrote: »
    The restrictions thread appears to be leaking in here, they are just about ready to cull anyone who is "not economically viable".

    In this case it’s not even a lockdown/open it up issue, it’s basic empathy which is lost on a lot of people, on all sides


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    #8338
    owlbethere
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Well according to Holohan the virus is suppressed in the community. So to me it looks like transmission came from his daughter.

    But what was he supposed to do? Fcuk his nurse daughter out onto the street to be homeless?

    Nurses don't earn much more of a wage than factory workers and so she was probably living at home instead of being on the street or paying too much for rents. She probably brought other contributions to her elderly father like paying for bills, security in the house, company.

    We don't know what sort of nursing she was doing either. If she was working in a hospital or another setting or in a nursing in a nursing home setting or in a gp surgery. There could have been a lot of working demands on her too so that would make it harder for her to find a place to rent within budget to prevent to risk of transmission to her father.


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    #8339
    crossman47
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Well according to Holohan the virus is suppressed in the community. So to me it looks like transmission came from his daughter.

    Thats suppressed, not eliminated. Anyway he presumably caught it some weeks ago.


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    #8340
    yourdeadwright
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    bekker wrote: »
    Astounds me the amount of people with no idea of what compressed perspective is.

    Only shot that gives accurate spacing of a non-linear group is from directly overhead.

    As may be seen from my previous post, believe SV is a waste of space, but these posts commenting on a click-bait image are senseless as are the continued references to 'old image' hours after the verification link to the II was posted.

    There is plenty of photos and video footage , I don't care what he done but he was certainly not 2 meters away from his friends , its ok to tell the truth ,


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    #8341
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I can't answer your question, other than to say both should have been aware of how high risk her profession is and the consequences for him. Although did the government not help health care workers who needed accommodation.

    But we don’t know what the individual reason was. Maybe they chose to continue living together as with his pre existing condition having a medical professional in the house may have helped prevent needing to go to hospital. Just like we don’t know why someone may choose to visit someone 20km away for example. For all we know the person could be having mental health issues or any other myriad of genuine reasons


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