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Annoying Gym Behaviour - Mk2(?)

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    #3002
    2nd Row Donkey
    Registered Users Posts: 9,637 ✭✭✭2nd Row Donkey


    JJayoo wrote:
    People who **** in the urinals


    Say what now?


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    #3003
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Mellor wrote: »
    Why are you thinking about strangers’ penises in the gym?

    I thought it was a side effect of steroid use

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #3004
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    silverharp wrote: »
    why do so many young men want to have a small pen1s?

    It affects the beans, not the frank, no?


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    #3005
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users Posts: 17,394 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    silverharp wrote: »
    why do so many young men want to have a small pen1s?

    It doesn't do anything to your penis, your balls however shrink/disappear for a while until you've completed your PCT. If anything it works better...


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    #3006
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,553 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    JJayoo wrote: »
    People who **** in the urinals

    Who would so such a thing in your shed gym...???


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    #3007
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,775 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    D3V!L wrote: »
    Its more common in most gyms than the average guy thinks. In my gym there are people who appear every couple of months to "top up" their muscle growth when they start a new roid cycle.

    Its obvious who they are because they're usually at least twice the size of the other gym goers, lifting tiny weights and usually p!ssing sweat.

    That's not how steroids work. If they are big it's because they lift heavy, juice or no juice. You can't just juice and grow. They help you work harder and recover quicker, but you need the progressive overload to get big.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #3008
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,775 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    silverharp wrote: »
    I thought it was a side effect of steroid use

    Steroids can shrink the balls, the penis will remain unaffected. The balls grow back afaik

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #3009
    completedit
    Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Brian? wrote: »
    That's not how steroids work. If they are big it's because they lift heavy, juice or no juice. You can't just juice and grow. They help you work harder and recover quicker, but you need the progressive overload to get big.

    Everyone says this but it's bollox. I see so many ripped huge lads in gym who lift moderate enough but there's only so much you can do. Steroids enable guys to have physiques that just pop with little effort. I'm short and stocky so would never bother.


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    #3010
    leggo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    completedit wrote: »
    Everyone says this but it's bollox. I see so many ripped huge lads in gym who lift moderate enough but there's only so much you can do. Steroids enable guys to have physiques that just pop with little effort. I'm short and stocky so would never bother.

    Different types but essentially what we call the catch-all terms of steroids give you extra testosterone (so if you see women who use you’ll notice their physiques often trend towards more traditionally masculine), which enables better performance. So yeah, what Brian is saying is spot on. If you ever see lads who juice but don’t workout hard enough or incorrectly, they tend to just get fat or their body can start to look puffy and malformed. It’s not just a case of injecting it at night and you wake up an adonis.

    Haven’t used myself btw, never saw the risk/benefit as even nearly worth it, and anyone who’s seen my physique can attest to that.


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    #3011
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,775 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    completedit wrote: »
    Everyone says this but it's bollox. I see so many ripped huge lads in gym who lift moderate enough but there's only so much you can do. Steroids enable guys to have physiques that just pop with little effort. I'm short and stocky so would never bother.

    It really isn't bollox. The only way to build a good physique is with hard work, steroids just let you work harder and grow faster. The training triggers the growth.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #3012
    caviardreams
    Registered Users Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Three guys hanging round/using the leg press forever. Grand.
    Finally finish up and not one of them seems to know how to take a single plate off.
    6 x 25s and 6 x 20s left for me to take off. :rolleyes::mad::mad: Felt like a metcon by itself!


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    #3013
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Lads shouting "YUP" really loudly non stop.


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    #3014
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,553 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    I'd find it more annoying if it had meant I had to strip bars bit it's one thing I've noticed since moving to Flyefit. There are more people that just leave loaded bars and f**k off than people that strip a bar when they're done.

    I just find it it ignorant and an act of shítehawkery


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    #3015
    DareGod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭DareGod


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    I'd find it more annoying if it had meant I had to strip bars bit it's one thing I've noticed since moving to Flyefit. There are more people that just leave loaded bars and f**k off than people that strip a bar when they're done.

    I just find it it ignorant and an act of shítehawkery

    I'm certain that if there ends up being a Hell, it'll be filled with solely these people.


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    #3016
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,024 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    completedit wrote: »
    Everyone says this but it's bollox. I see so many ripped huge lads in gym who lift moderate enough but there's only so much you can do. Steroids enable guys to have physiques that just pop with little effort. I'm short and stocky so would never bother.
    Why do you think athletes take steroids?
    Because what you suggesting would be of absolutely no benefit.


    And short stocky guys use steroids just as much as tall guys.


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    #3017
    rpurfield
    Registered Users Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭rpurfield


    Went to use a squat rack the other day and someone had taken the hooks for the bar out, left them on the ground and moved the spotter bars up to use. I didn't see them in action, but just why?


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    #3018
    Triceratops Ballet
    Registered Users Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    rpurfield wrote:
    Went to use a squat rack the other day and someone had taken the hooks for the bar out, left them on the ground and moved the spotter bars up to use. I didn't see them in action, but just why?


    Practicing jerks from blocks? (or bars in this case)


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    #3019
    JayRoc
    Registered Users Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    Triceratops Ballet wrote: »
    rpurfield wrote:
    Went to use a squat rack the other day and someone had taken the hooks for the bar out, left them on the ground and moved the spotter bars up to use. I didn't see them in action, but just why?


    Practicing jerks from blocks? (or bars in this case)

    Or concentric squats?


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    #3020
    IvoryTower
    Registered Users Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    1/4 squats


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    #3021
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,553 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    rpurfield wrote: »
    Went to use a squat rack the other day and someone had taken the hooks for the bar out, left them on the ground and moved the spotter bars up to use. I didn't see them in action, but just why?

    Pin squat
    Pin press (bench or OHP)
    Rack pulls
    Good morning to pins
    Jerks off pins

    Could have been some of those


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    #3022
    rpurfield
    Registered Users Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭rpurfield


    That's me told so :eek:

    Actually to be clear they were above my shoulder height (I'm not the tallest) but they were nearly at my head, I'm about five nine, to do anything surely you would've had to step out past them anyway, same as the hooks.


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    #3023
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,553 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    rpurfield wrote: »
    That's me told so :eek:

    Actually to be clear they were above my shoulder height (I'm not the tallest) but they were nearly at my head, I'm about five nine, to do anything surely you would've had to step out past them anyway, same as the hooks.

    Could have been shoulder presses onto pins. Who knows.

    May well have been something mental as well.


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    #3024
    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Brian? wrote: »
    That's not how steroids work. If they are big it's because they lift heavy, juice or no juice. You can't just juice and grow. They help you work harder and recover quicker, but you need the progressive overload to get big.

    I have no personal experience but I read a study where they gave the subjects testosterone and measured muscle gain. The lads who worked out but got no test gained the least amount of muscle, the lads who lifted and got test gained the most muscle mass (unsurprisingly), but the group who didn't work out at all but got test gained the second highest amount of muscle.

    The guys sitting on the couch got more muscle in the same time period as the guys working out naturally :/


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    #3025
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,024 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    That’s not really surprising.
    Men are naturally more muscular than women. Almost purely down to test level.
    So it stands to reason, that if you spend a few months with increased test levels, you’re going to carry more muscle mass in response. You’re still using muscles daily.

    But once you respond to that new level, it’s going to taper off. You’re probably talking a few lbs gained then plateauing.

    Edit:
    They gained 3kg


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    #3026
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users Posts: 17,498 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Zillah wrote: »
    I have no personal experience but I read a study where they gave the subjects testosterone and measured muscle gain. The lads who worked out but got no test gained the least amount of muscle, the lads who lifted and got test gained the most muscle mass (unsurprisingly), but the group who didn't work out at all but got test gained the second highest amount of muscle.

    The guys sitting on the couch got more muscle in the same time period as the guys working out naturally :/

    I heard about that study. But weren't they being given a massive, massive amount of test? i.e. beyond what a regular stack would contain?


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    #3027
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,024 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Mark Rippetoe wrote: »
    I heard about that study. But weren't they being given a massive, massive amount of test? i.e. beyond what a regular stack would contain?
    Nothing particularly unusual.
    600mg

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101


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    #3028
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,553 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Greg Nuckols delves into all that including the study, here:

    https://www.strongerbyscience.com/the-science-of-steroids/


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    #3029
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,024 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    Greg Nuckols delves into all that including the study, here:

    https://www.strongerbyscience.com/the-science-of-steroids/

    Thanks interested to see if his opinion makes my own or if I'm talking pony


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    #3030
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,553 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Mellor wrote: »
    Thanks interested to see if his opinion makes my own or if I'm talking pony

    It's just a good overview of a few different elements.

    Doesn't go into much detail on why but it does say that they do cause your muscles to synthesise more protein.

    That leads into another study on why they directly make you bigger but do not.directly make you stronger.


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    #3031
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,024 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    That leads into another study on why they directly make you bigger but do not.directly make you stronger.

    In the study above the steroids + no exercise group got stronger.
    Almost as much as the exercise group

    Edit: I think I get what he is saying, it was the muscle mass that made him stronger not the steroids. Hmmm, bold claim


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