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Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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    #8012
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Akrasia wrote: »
    True, she may face a vote of contempt, but if she didn't lose the No confidence vote, she may not lose a vote of contempt either. She might be prepared to take the risk but if she loses her 'meaningful vote' by 200 votes again where does she go from there? She could be left with nothing but a choice between one humiliating climb-down or another

    I think she would have a higher chance of loosing a contempt of parliament vote as labour are even weaker and there is no chance of Corbyn becoming PM. Of course what is perceived as the best move to protect the Tory party is what will dictate any vote like this.


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    #8013
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Thankfully, it appears the "unilateral statement" merely gives London assurances for the meaningful vote, rather than any actual tinkering with the backstop:

    http://twitter.com/BrunoBrussels/status/1105183260873842688


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    #8014
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,284 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1105204653652959238


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    #8015
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Akrasia wrote: »
    True, she may face a vote of contempt, but if she didn't lose the No confidence vote, she may not lose a vote of contempt either. She might be prepared to take the risk but if she loses her 'meaningful vote' by 200 votes again where does she go from there? She could be left with nothing but a choice between one humiliating climb-down or another

    She promised a meaningful vote, followed by the no deal and extension votes, and she must deliver or a lot of soft Brexit/Remain Tories will be very angry. I'd say humiliation is her status quo now.


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    #8016
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,281 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    lawred2 wrote: »
    She's doesn't know what's going on in London. I seriously doubt she's got any better an inside track with the Irish government.

    Someone replied to one of her tweets congratulating her for learning how to spell varadkar earlier today

    She’s a Mouthpiece for the British govt as far as i can see


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    #8017
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,281 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Bbc reporting that Verhofstadt has reaffirmed support for Ireland


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    #8018
    Irishmale0399
    Registered Users Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    tuxy wrote: »
    I think the UK would wait a short while for Ireland to put up customs first to protect the single market. Then shout "oh look they broke the GFA" and errect their own customs infrastructure to protect their market.


    Fly a few lads in from the jungle in Calais, the French will happily pay, bus them to villages along the border and send them walking into NI.



    Then add the young lady that was caught in Syria, living and moving freely in Dundalk with a few mates or shopping trips in Newry......



    The good smugglers along the border back in the money....


    They would set the border up themselves, Leo nor the EU will have to do a thing.


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    #8019
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Bbc reporting that Verhofstadt has reaffirmed support for Ireland

    Indeed - see the tweet a few pages back.


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    #8020
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,871 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Meanwhile news of the wins from a hard Brexit continue to be announced...

    https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1105204524069855232?s=19


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    #8021
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,447 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    After December agreement of 2017 it will be interesting to see how our govt paint what happens as a "win"

    Won't want to frighten the DUP again in any statements...


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    #8022
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Cabinet meeting has adjourned, but may resume later - presumably awaiting word for Strasbourg.


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    #8023
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Cabinet meeting has adjourned, but may resume later - presumably awaiting word for Strasbourg.

    Surely they are aware of what Juncker is prepared to offer? If not, that's a serious stab in the back.


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    #8024
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,447 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Cabinet meeting adjourned for now

    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1105207034834767876


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    #8025
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    After December agreement of 2017 it will be interesting to see how our govt paint what happens as a "win"

    Won't want to frighten the DUP again in any statements...
    They'll come out all glum and say they took one for the team, just to get the deal over the line. Then walk back into government buildings from whence will come the faint sounds of howls of laughter after the door is closed.


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    #8026
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Surely they are aware of what Juncker is prepared to offer? If not, that's a serious stab in the back.

    Awh will you ever relax. Of course we are aware, perhaps not aware of every word that will be said over the next few hours but the EU have said numerous times this week that Dublin must approve.


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    #8027
    bobmalooka
    Registered Users Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    After December agreement of 2017 it will be interesting to see how our govt paint what happens as a "win"

    Won't want to frighten the DUP again in any statements...
    This is it essentially, a key part will be keeping stum in order to allow the DUP/hardliners claim a win without anyone pointing out the substantive issues haven’t changed. Very difficult for Tories to vote against the deal on the basis of the backstop if DUPvote for it.

    Timing is hardly coincidence, announcement tonight - all our senior politicians will be in the air tomorrow so will be able to avoid pointing out the obvious before the vote


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    #8028
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Awh will you ever relax. Of course we are aware, perhaps not aware of every word that will be said over the next few hours but the EU have said numerous times this week that Dublin must approve.

    I'm so relaxed, I'm horizontal. That would be an even bigger stab in the back - pointing the finger at Ireland and saying sorry but Dublin vetoed our declaration.


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    #8029
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,447 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    More...

    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1105210535262461952


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    #8030
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Meanwhile, UK ministers meeting David Lidington, May's deputy.


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    #8031
    Headshot
    Registered Users Posts: 53,849 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I hope DUP are burnt here, that would make my year


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    #8032
    judeboy101
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    So if leaks are to be believed, the WA which Leo, simon and the gang said would not be reopened, has been reopened and a new bit on arbitration added? And the Brits have seen enough that Coxy can stand up in HoC and say on behalf of the queen that the Brits can leave the Deal if they want?


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    #8033
    gooch2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭gooch2k9


    Headshot wrote: »
    I hope DUP are burnt here, that would make my year

    They'd deserve it. At least the Tories are following what the majority of their electorate wanted. The DUP aren't.


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    #8034
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Unless the backstop is removed or time limited it's not going through. 10pm our time is when we should find out what it is.


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    #8035
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,281 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    judeboy101 wrote: »
    So if leaks are to be believed, the WA which Leo, simon and the gang said would not be reopened, has been reopened and a new bit on arbitration added? And the Brits have seen enough that Coxy can stand up in HoC and say on behalf of the queen that the Brits can leave the Deal if they want?

    Arbitration was already there as far as I know? They’ve just provided more detail on how it will operate


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    #8036
    Inquitus
    Registered Users Posts: 13,730 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    judeboy101 wrote: »
    So if leaks are to be believed, the WA which Leo, simon and the gang said would not be reopened, has been reopened and a new bit on arbitration added? And the Brits have seen enough that Coxy can stand up in HoC and say on behalf of the queen that the Brits can leave the Deal if they want?

    As long as that doesn't include NI, then fine.


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    #8037
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    judeboy101 wrote: »
    So if leaks are to be believed, the WA which Leo, simon and the gang said would not be reopened, has been reopened and a new bit on arbitration added? And the Brits have seen enough that Coxy can stand up in HoC and say on behalf of the queen that the Brits can leave the Deal if they want?

    A highly technical thread by Faisal Islam:

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1105212099612102658


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    #8038
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,869 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    judeboy101 wrote: »
    So if leaks are to be believed, the WA which Leo, simon and the gang said would not be reopened, has been reopened and a new bit on arbitration added? And the Brits have seen enough that Coxy can stand up in HoC and say on behalf of the queen that the Brits can leave the Deal if they want?

    Where are you hearing the WA has been reopened. Link?


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    #8039
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    judeboy101 wrote: »
    So if leaks are to be believed, the WA which Leo, simon and the gang said would not be reopened, has been reopened and a new bit on arbitration added? And the Brits have seen enough that Coxy can stand up in HoC and say on behalf of the queen that the Brits can leave the Deal if they want?

    There's no leaks saying it's reopened


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    #8040
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users Posts: 15,281 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    To reopen the deal would literally require every member state to convene and agree firstly to reopen and then to start the negotiations again and crucially make further demands of the UK


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    #8041
    TCDStudent1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    judeboy101 wrote: »
    So if leaks are to be believed, the WA which Leo, simon and the gang said would not be reopened, has been reopened and a new bit on arbitration added? And the Brits have seen enough that Coxy can stand up in HoC and say on behalf of the queen that the Brits can leave the Deal if they want?


    RTE News specifically said that it has not been reopened.


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