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    #3602
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    TRESPASSING ARREST Homeless mum Margaret Cash tells how she was arrested after trying to live in caravan in abandoned yard

    Margaret and her kids made international headlines this week after she released photos of her family having to sleep overnight on hard chairs in a Garda station

    Distraught Margaret said she has been homeless for a year — since the private house she was renting was repossessed.

    And in an exclusive interview with the Irish Sun on Sunday, the mum told how she purchased a caravan after she become homeless to keep her kids off the street.

    But Margaret said the authorities wouldn’t let her put the caravan at the side of the road and revealed how she was then arrested after she moved it into an empty yard.

    Ms Cash, from Tallaght, said: “I bought a caravan when I first became homeless, in the month of September. Most of my family help me pay for it.

    “I moved into the caravan in Tallaght but the Garda were moving us round from one place to another place.

    “The guards wouldn’t let us stay anywhere. We were moving from camp to camp, we were staying on the side of the road, and they were telling us to move off everywhere that we went.

    “Eventually I ended up getting arrested, down in the caravan and I got done for breaking and entering to an abandoned place and putting a caravan in.”

    Margaret — who said she has been on the housing list for 11 years — insists she should have been allowed to stay in the caravan instead of being lifted.

    She said: “They done me for trespassing because we went into an old abandoned yard, an old abandoned yard that hadn’t been used for ages and ages.

    “The Garda were coming along and moving us from camp to camp. And we asked the council could we move the caravan into a halting site and they said no. So what can you do? I tried to get a house but it was just impossible.”

    Margaret said she was forced to get rid of the caravan and has been living in emergency accommodation ever since.

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/2972064/homeless-mum-margaret-cash-arrested-caravan/


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    #3603
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    They should be on it until they turn down a property. After that they are on their own.

    Indeed.

    BTW - all available on Daft.ie; all with the required space and all within or near to the rent allowance she's getting. Only difference ? Location. Deal with it love.
    https://www.daft.ie/donegal/houses-for-rent/letterkenny/carnamuggagh-letterkenny-donegal-1858385/
    https://www.daft.ie/wexford/houses-for-rent/wexford-town/glenthorn-house-newbay-wexford-town-wexford-1853909/
    https://www.daft.ie/kildare/houses-for-rent/newbridge/150-the-meadows-newbridge-co-kildare-newbridge-kildare-1862505/

    The above one I go THROUGH Newbridge on my commute so nearer than a worker to Dublin!!!

    No excuse.


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    #3604
    22michael44
    Registered Users Posts: 235 ✭✭22michael44


    deco nate wrote: »
    Quoting for clarity, running back to figure out and remember. That's not a good sign. Yes you, and everyone is entitled to an opinion.
    Doesn't mean you cannot be called out on it.
    And by asking you if you know cash, how is that wrong?.

    However, I do see what you are trying to get me banned now.

    It's a shame that it has come to this.
    But c'est la vie.


    Glad to see you added so much to the last post I quoted. Good on ya.... Ps, I added this last bit too ;)

    yeah, not the only thing you added and subsequently deleted last night. did i break your brain or something or were you just on the sauce?


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    #3605
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    This is a cop out.

    Isn't one of the top 10 rules, Thou shalt not steal???

    And killing is on there too - and lots and lots of coveting of neighbours goods.


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    #3606
    [Deleted User]
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    There are a serious amount of houses boarded up tbh and they would make a difference to the situation if they were lived in again. Who do they belong to? Council or private?

    I just wish she wasn’t the poster girl for the cause.

    Someone more in the know than myself may be able to answer this question-

    If you sell a house with a tenant in situ, does that tenant still not have a right to live there. I mean, the purchaser is buying knowing there is a sitting tenant?

    Trying to get my head around her story still. In 2015 her family (incl husband) were part of a story about homelessness and said they were over holding as they had no other choice.
    In 2018 (now) they have said they have been homeless since last year when the house they were in was repossessed.
    Is this the same house as the 2015 one?


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    #3607
    blackwhite
    Registered Users Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    There are a serious amount of houses boarded up tbh and they would make a difference to the situation if they were lived in again. Who do they belong to? Council or private?

    I just wish she wasn’t the poster girl for the cause.

    Someone more in the know than myself may be able to answer this question-

    If you sell a house with a tenant in situ, does that tenant still not have a right to live there. I mean, the purchaser is buying knowing there is a sitting tenant?

    Trying to get my head around her story still. In 2015 her family (incl husband) were part of a story about homelessness and said they were over holding as they had no other choice.
    In 2018 (now) they have said they have been homeless since last year when the house they were in was repossessed.
    Is this the same house as the 2015 one?

    If you are buying with the intention of moving into the house, or a member of your family moving in, then you have the right to give the tenant notice to vacate.

    If you are buying to continue renting out the property, then the tenant continues on as if nothing had changed (except they are now dealing with a new landlord), you don't have the right to evict them outside of the normal lease terms.


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    #3608
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 33,121 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Let's be honest here folks, there are people with vested interests in all this nonsense, and it's in their minds to keep these sorts of stories front and centre.

    I read in this thread somewhere that we have 875 people 'employed' in homeless charities or agencies. And that these folk cost more in wages than what the government actually puts into them.

    So just think about that. The government hands over €33.5m to help these folk help homeless people, and that money doesn't even cover their wages and operating costs. I think the figure someone quoted as their wages bill was €35m.

    So these people are basically saying to the taxpayers, "that pile or cash you gave us to help the homeless, well its sorted our wages, can we have some more".

    To me, that is shocking. Why do we have so many homeless charities or agencies employing so many people? Simple answer, we have a homeless industry. Do you think it's in the interest of these 875 people to solve homelessness in Ireland? Of course it's not, that would make them redundant. That's why it's so important to keep the crisis in the news, to keep the stories about living in hotels out there, to keep stories like this Cash woman in the media headlines for weeks on end.

    They need the likes of Cash as much as she needs a home. It keeps them relevant and a wage coming in for them.

    Would it make more sense to consolidate all these charities, poll resources and help the homeless more efficiently? Of course it would, but hey that would be too sensible. It's like all those that fed the starving around the world. There's money in it all, that's why there are so many of those around too. It's keeping people in work.


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    #3609
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Feisar


    dav3 wrote: »
    In relation to the housing crisis? You have plenty of options available to you. It's in the news daily, just like the health crisis. It can all be linked back to the inaction of the government.

    If it's a plan to target people less well-off than you, forget it. Nobody is paying attention to you. Just remember, there are people out there who earn considerably more than you, that pay considerably more tax than you, that also view you people as parasites and scum, the same way you view people who earn less and pay less tax than you do. You're nothing special, there's no amount of tantrum throwing online that will change that.

    I don't see people who earn less than me as parasites and scum.

    I see parasites and scum as parasites and scum.

    And I'm well aware I'm nothing special.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #3610
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    dav3 wrote: »
    If it's a plan to target people less well-off than you, forget it. Nobody is paying attention to you. Just remember, there are people out there who earn considerably more than you, that pay considerably more tax than you, that also view you people as parasites and scum, the same way you view people who earn less and pay less tax than you do. You're nothing special, there's no amount of tantrum throwing online that will change that.

    A few key issues of note, there Dav

    Everyone should contribute something
    Some contribute nothing.

    Those that contribute according to their means are, to use a phrase, "entitled" to feel aggrieved.
    It's not tantrum throwing.


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    #3611
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    A few key issues of note, there Dav

    Everyone should contribute something
    Some contribute nothing.

    Those that contribute according to their means are, to use a phrase, "entitled" to feel aggrieved.
    It's not tantrum throwing.

    I'm very well aware that hard working taxpayers are not "special" but the way this country is going, we will be soon.


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    #3612
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,497 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    A few key issues of note, there Dav

    Everyone should contribute something
    Some contribute nothing.

    Those that contribute according to their means are, to use a phrase, "entitled" to feel aggrieved.
    It's not tantrum throwing.
    I wonder how feasible a flat tax of say 20% on all earnings (including social welfare payments) would be. As a revenue neutral excersise.
    I work out my real tax rate (ie if taxed as one rate across all earnings) and for PAYE it's close to or past 30%, from memory. So anything at or under 30% flat tax would actually be a positive change for me, selfish interest declared!


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    #3613
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I wonder how feasible a flat tax of say 20% on all earnings (including social welfare payments) would be. As a revenue neutral excersise.
    I work out my real tax rate (ie if taxed as one rate across all earnings) and for PAYE it's close to or past 30%, from memory. So anything at or under 30% flat tax would actually be a positive change for me, selfish interest declared!

    I think taxing social welfare would be a great idea and I look forward to reading the enablers explaining why it would be terrible and those posters - we know who they are - who will just come here and say it's not feasible.


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    #3614
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 33,121 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Everyone needs to contribute something.

    And cue the "she pays vat...." replies.


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    #3615
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Everyone needs to contribute something.

    And cue the "she pays vat...." replies.

    Yeah on the Coors, Waterford crystal, ten grand cars etc etc.


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    #3616
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Everyone needs to contribute something.

    And cue the "she pays vat...." replies.

    Along with the "it's not a free house" brigade


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    #3617
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Along with the "it's not a free house" brigade

    Ah yeah them, they're always fun.


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    #3618
    padd b1975
    Registered Users Posts: 10,704 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Indeed.

    BTW - all available on Daft.ie; all with the required space and all within or near to the rent allowance she's getting. Only difference ? Location. Deal with it love.







    The above one I go THROUGH Newbridge on my commute so nearer than a worker to Dublin!!!

    No excuse.

    But she needs to be near her family support!

    Please try to keep up...

    FYI That's the same family support that sat on their hands and allowed her and her children spend the night in a Garda station.


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    #3619
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Any links to the partner and his sharpened tent peg?


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    #3620
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,247 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    I think taxing social welfare would be a great idea and I look forward to reading the enablers explaining why it would be terrible and those posters - we know who they are - who will just come here and say it's not feasible.

    Tax social welfare but dont tax obese people. Your ideas are intriguing. Have you considered running for election? Or are you too busy "working"


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    #3621
    stratowide
    Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭stratowide


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Let's be honest here folks, there are people with vested interests in all this nonsense, and it's in their minds to keep these sorts of stories front and centre.

    I read in this thread somewhere that we have 875 people 'employed' in homeless charities or agencies. And that these folk cost more in wages than what the government actually puts into them.

    So just think about that. The government hands over €33.5m to help these folk help homeless people, and that money doesn't even cover their wages and operating costs. I think the figure someone quoted as their wages bill was €35m.

    So these people are basically saying to the taxpayers, "that pile or cash you gave us to help the homeless, well its sorted our wages, can we have some more".

    To me, that is shocking. Why do we have so many homeless charities or agencies employing so many people? Simple answer, we have a homeless industry. Do you think it's in the interest of these 875 people to solve homelessness in Ireland? Of course it's not, that would make them redundant. That's why it's so important to keep the crisis in the news, to keep the stories about living in hotels out there, to keep stories like this Cash woman in the media headlines for weeks on end.

    They need the likes of Cash as much as she needs a home. It keeps them relevant and a wage coming in for them.

    Would it make more sense to consolidate all these charities, poll resources and help the homeless more efficiently? Of course it would, but hey that would be too sensible. It's like all those that fed the starving around the world. There's money in it all, that's why there are so many of those around too. It's keeping people in work.

    Nail on head.Well said.

    Turkey's don't vote for Christmas.


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    #3622
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Any links to the partner and his sharpened tent peg?

    about the children's father, but according to Ms Cash: "He's not relevant."

    Speaking to the Sunday World, she said: "He's not on the scene. I separated from him last year."

    The 28-year-old's former long-term partner, John McCarthy, was remanded in the custody of Cloverhill Prison on July 25.

    He is facing charges of assault at Westmoreland Street on June 24, engaging in threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour and possession of an offensive weapon, involving a sharpened tent spike.

    https://www.herald.ie/news/mum-and-six-kids-forced-to-sleep-in-garda-station-given-beds-by-a-charity-37209313.html


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    #3623
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The taxing social welfare thing makes no sense to me. Isn’t social welfare based on an amount that is deemed to be required to live on? If you tax it, won’t they just increase it in order for the net figure to be the same anyway?


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    ayux4rj6zql2ph
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭ayux4rj6zql2ph


    Many internet trolls demanded information about the children's father, but according to Ms Cash: "He's not relevant."
    Speaking to the Sunday World, she said: "He's not on the scene. I separated from him last year."
    The 28-year-old's former long-term partner, John McCarthy, was remanded in the custody of Cloverhill Prison on July 25.
    He is facing charges of assault at Westmoreland Street on June 24, engaging in threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour and possession of an offensive weapon, involving a sharpened tent spike.
    Meanwhile, Ms Cash said she doesn't care about those questioning her motives for sharing the pictures of her children asleep in the garda station.
    "I never done this to get famous," she said.

    2 of the biggest lies you'll ever hear.


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    #3625
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    The taxing social welfare thing makes no sense to me. Isn’t social welfare based on an amount that is deemed to be required to live on? If you tax it, won’t they just increase it in order for the net figure to be the same anyway?

    Given her amount - as the figures are openly displayed I doubt she is the only one getting that - that is FAR above what is deemed to be needed to live on.

    Any time welfare is more than the minimum wage it's a huge f**k off to anyone who works.


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    #3626
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Prisoner 6753 wrote: »
    2 of the biggest lies you'll ever hear.

    Taking the silver and bronze positions to "I'm entitled to this".

    Oh btw - friend of a friend on FB said "she wants to be the Irish White Dee and get famous".

    Is that a thing ????


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    #3627
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,497 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    The taxing social welfare thing makes no sense to me. Isn’t social welfare based on an amount that is deemed to be required to live on? If you tax it, won’t they just increase it in order for the net figure to be the same anyway?
    Yes but a) it will show them the impact of reducing "income" via taxation and show that everyone contributes, and notionally increase the tax take figures.


    Ever wonder why police/teachers etc are paid from the public purse and pay tax?


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    [Deleted User]
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    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    about the children's father, but according to Ms Cash: "He's not relevant."

    Speaking to the Sunday World, she said: "He's not on the scene. I separated from him last year."

    The 28-year-old's former long-term partner, John McCarthy, was remanded in the custody of Cloverhill Prison on July 25.

    He is facing charges of assault at Westmoreland Street on June 24, engaging in threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour and possession of an offensive weapon, involving a sharpened tent spike.

    https://www.herald.ie/news/mum-and-six-kids-forced-to-sleep-in-garda-station-given-beds-by-a-charity-37209313.html

    But he was on the scene. He’s in the communion photo from this year!!!!


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    #3629
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Yes but a) it will show them the impact of reducing "income" via taxation and show that everyone contributes, and notionally increase the tax take figures.


    Ever wonder why police/teachers etc are paid from the public purse and pay tax?

    If you are - I'd recommend a stiff G&T first - delve in social media and the pages devoted to slagging off Universal Credit.

    It's like utter rock bottom of humanity, then 500 feet of ****e - and then that.

    If entitlement had a scent - it would gas you those pages.


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    #3630
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    But he was on the scene. He’s in the communion photo from this year!!!!

    Suppose they will claim that he was only just invited to the communion


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    #3631
    SirChenjin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭SirChenjin


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Let's be honest here folks, there are people with vested interests in all this nonsense, and it's in their minds to keep these sorts of stories front and centre.

    I read in this thread somewhere that we have 875 people 'employed' in homeless charities or agencies. And that these folk cost more in wages than what the government actually puts into them.

    So just think about that. The government hands over €33.5m to help these folk help homeless people, and that money doesn't even cover their wages and operating costs. I think the figure someone quoted as their wages bill was €35m.

    So these people are basically saying to the taxpayers, "that pile or cash you gave us to help the homeless, well its sorted our wages, can we have some more".

    To me, that is shocking. Why do we have so many homeless charities or agencies employing so many people? Simple answer, we have a homeless industry.Do you think it's in the interest of these 875 people to solve homelessness in Ireland? Of course it's not, that would make them redundant. That's why it's so important to keep the crisis in the news, to keep the stories about living in hotels out there, to keep stories like this Cash woman in the media headlines for weeks on end.

    They need the likes of Cash as much as she needs a home. It keeps them relevant and a wage coming in for them.

    Would it make more sense to consolidate all these charities, poll resources and help the homeless more efficiently? Of course it would, but hey that would be too sensible. It's like all those that fed the starving around the world. There's money in it all, that's why there are so many of those around too. It's keeping people in work.

    +1 to every word of this post. It has become an industry, and the word 'homeless' has become almost meaningless in the process.
    First we had Erica Fleming and her 'forever home' requirements, and now this.
    It does a disservice to all in our society who actually need help, and who are working hard but often barely able to make ends meet.

    And it is abhorrent, to me and indeed to many others that a young woman (and she is far from alone in doing this) rakes in an extremely generous amount of money per week/ month/ year without ever having contributed in any way, shape or form to the pot from which that money seemingly endlessly flows.

    I don't know what the solution is. I don't believe anyone in the Dail will be brave enough to take on this issue and highlight it for what it is. An absolute disgrace.


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