Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

Edward M · 03-11-2018 7:49pm

listermint wrote: »

Oh I'm very self aware .

Frankly it's one of the reasons I call out irrational people in the internet.

It really feels like alot of people on the thread would rather have minority groups wiped away than understand what's needed to help them get out of the cycle they are stuck in.

Imaginative

So you admit they are stuck in a cycle?
What would that be and why?

Omackeral · 03-11-2018 7:49pm

nullzero wrote: »

Xenophobia is the correct term

xenophobia (noun)

Dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.

Probably shouldn't have to point out why it's not xenophobia...

Btw that's Oxford Dictionary's definition so hopefully that's good enough for anybody that's looking to dispute.

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 7:49pm

Omackeral wrote: »

You've a former serving Garda telling you that your claim is total and utter bollox and you still won't budge. Can't decide if you're arrogant or ignorant or both. The little sycophant who thanked it is somehow even worse! Deluded the pair of ya.

The former serving Garda came up rather short on his knowledge of the law. Did you miss that?

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 7:51pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I was giving my experience with it, call it anecdotal if you wish. Ever involved in the moving of travellers who were illegally camped?

I was, as it happens, and that is why I, not a BA in Policing, know that there are no special provisions under the legislation for travellers.

tretorn · 03-11-2018 7:53pm

But who else but travellers arrives on holidays somewhere without making provision for accommodation.

Captain Obvious · 03-11-2018 7:53pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The former serving Garda came up rather short on his knowledge of the law. Did you miss that?

He was correct on procedure though. A direction is required to remove people camped on private land. The lack of consent has to be established.

Omackeral · 03-11-2018 7:53pm

tretorn wrote: »

The travellers are supposed to go to Coolquay, The Ward

mynamejeff · 03-11-2018 7:54pm

end of the road wrote: »

no, no, casey's statement isn't valid. he stated that all travelers are illegally camping on other people's land
if he had said "some travelers camp illegaly on land they don't own" then his statement would be valid because some do. however he didn't, ergo his statement is invalid..

I see the bots have been busy over night

:) have ye no lives ?

Did Casey not say Travellers camp illegally ? rather than All or Some ?

if so then your usual pedantic statement is ergo invalid :pac::pac:

If you disagree then i suggest you head down dunsink lane or labra park and have a look at the many illegal sites if you dare

:D

Tis gas the lads here defending travellers and thier lifestyle letting on they have traveller gfs boyfriends or family members when in reality they have never come withing a slashhooks distance of a actually traveller

in reality the the overwhelming vast majority of travellers are involved to some degree and there is a tiny minority who are not. thier lifestyle (not culture ) is not compatible with being a law abiding citizen of any western country.

casey is a hypocrite who has never faced the valid problems with traveller criminality the raised and tuberty is a talent less spineless waste of a suit if hot a neck or chin who walked into the family business in rte and deserves no attention what so ever.

now bots do your worst

goat2 · 03-11-2018 7:54pm

I am glad P Casey is entering politics, and I can see him getting in on first go, will be good for all

Redneck Culchie · 03-11-2018 7:55pm

Klonker wrote: »

I'm voting Renua in next General Election as long as they drop the anti abortion and they actually have a candidate in my constituency (Fingal). I can't vote for any of the main parties again.

I voted Independent last time and Renua number 2. Neither got in but nearly 3 years later I am happy with my choice. I won't be taken in by any more lies and ****e from the main parties. My issue with Renua next time would be, they were disorganised last time, they seem to have even less organisation and members at the moment.

I think we may have better options though in the Local and European Elections. More chance for free speaking and less establishment stuff.
The next election though is looking like more FF/FG. Probably why Casey is calling out Fianna Fail and saying he wants them to change.

The Bishop Basher · 03-11-2018 7:56pm

listermint wrote: »

Obviously I don't because I don't have anger.

I think your might confuse perplexing with anger.

Do you only reserve your discourse for minority groups or is everyone a target?

Discourse ? I’m not sure what you mean. I’ll discuss most things if they’re of interest..

If you mean do I reserve my disdain for travelers I’d probably have to say no.

I have equal disdain for all the wasters on dole / disability / fraudulent claims etc.

You know the type. Like to wear tracksuits and pyjamas, suffer from kleptomania and have an allergy to work.. travelers are, for the most part, included in that..

Of course there are decent travelers I just haven’t met any. And it goes without saying that I’ve no issue with people on any kind of welfare who genuinely need it.

As a nation we should look after our old, our young and and our sick.

listermint · 03-11-2018 7:56pm

Edward M wrote: »

So you admit they are stuck in a cycle?
What would that be and why?

Admit ?

Have you been following my posts.

Of course they are stuck in a cycle. They can't get employment because people already have bias against them this thread is evidence of it. They turn to criminality because of this. It's an easy transition from zero opportunities to criminality.

The cycle can only be breached through community lead local youth work. Which needs proper funding and not through funding spokes groups like pavee point.

People need to feel their life is worth something. Anyone of us who had that level of self worth would probably be in the same positions in life.

I wouldn't want to be identifiable once I opened my mouth and judged straight away.

How do you think we break this cycle ?

tretorn · 03-11-2018 7:57pm

How in the name of God does Tubridy get to trouser almost 500,00 thousand a year.

This puts him on a par with medical consultants with years of specialist training behind them and jobs that carry huge personal responnsibility.

Tubridy was disgraceful last night, he is completely inane on both Radio and TV so who or what is his salary benchmarked against.

listermint · 03-11-2018 7:58pm

Rennaws wrote: »

Discourse ? I’m not sure what you mean. I’ll discuss most things if they’re of interest..

If you mean do I reserve my disdain for travelers I’d probably have to say no.

I have equal disdain for all the wasters on dole / disability / fraudulent claims etc.

You know the type. Like to wear tracksuits and pyjamas, suffer from kleptomania and have an allergy to work.. travelers are, for the most part, included in that..

Of course there are decent travelers I just haven’t met any. And it goes without saying that I’ve no issue with people on any kind of welfare who genuinely need it.

As a nation we should look after our old, our young and and our sick.

Good

Then allow your posts to reflect your views more accurately because they have come across that way.

People need alot more clarity on their thoughts they come across as a machine gun of anger at everything and everyone.

So what are your solutions for welfare fraud and other points you noted.

MFPM · 03-11-2018 7:58pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

They have 0 TDs

Redmond is Independent , left Renua 2016.

You're quite right, I had forgotten that.

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 7:58pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

He was correct on procedure though. A direction is required to remove people camped on private land. The lack of consent has to be established.

That is not what he/she came up short on. They tried to make it look as if there was special provision for travellers in the law.
Something Casey has been trying to do as well. There isn't.

Spanish Eyes · 03-11-2018 7:59pm

listermint wrote: »

Solutions to what specifically.

The only thing I've raised is that Casey was selling people air and that if they have problems with how he countries run then its better and more impactful to discuss with councillors and TDs.

So yeah I give solutions.

Over to you . And please not more rethoric we've enough if that.

Ah no worries.

Off you go.

Well on here it seems to be ok to rant and say it out loud, but not so sure about our media though.

MFPM · 03-11-2018 7:59pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

How many previous convictions has she now?

Lovely person I am sure with total respect for those who are paying her way.

No idea and what relevance is her convictions?

tretorn · 03-11-2018 8:00pm

There is special provision in housing legislation for travellers.

some of us are more deserving than others.

Potential-Monke · 03-11-2018 8:01pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I was, as it happens, and that is why I, not a BA in Policing, know that there are no special provisions under the legislation for travellers.

And in your experience, when the Gardai arrived along and told them to move, did they up and leave? Was there any paperwork required? I did agree with you, there are no special provisions, but the process is not the same for travellers as it is for non-travellers, simply because non-travellers will acknowledge that they're illegally camped and move on. Travellers won't. Again, in my experience.

The best and most common excuse to not moving on was 'Where will we go?' - I don't know, anywhere you have permission maybe? Somewhere you've paid for?

And yes, I made a mistake on my recollection of a single bit of law from the thousands of bits of legislation out there. Got the act right though. Not bad for someone who has tried their best to leave that life behind. Still, I reckon i've more experience of enacting the legislation than you have. Law may be written in black and white, but the implementation of it is not black and white, as you seem to think it is.

tretorn wrote: »

There is special provision in housing legislation for travellers.

some of us are more deserving than others.

The Housing (Traveller Accommodation) Act 1998 requires each local authority, following a consultation process, to prepare, adopt and implement 5 year rolling accommodation programmes to meet the existing and projected accommodation needs of Travellers in their areas.

No special treatment, and they have their own housing act....

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 8:03pm

tretorn wrote: »

There is special provision in housing legislation for travellers.

some of us are more deserving than others.

And there have been long before SEMS.

Many people in society are entitled to more than I.
I want society to look after the less well of, the disabled and the marginalised, while recognising that there are some who will take advantage of that.

listermint · 03-11-2018 8:03pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Ah no worries.

Off you go.

Well on here it seems to be ok to rant and say it out loud, but not so sure about our media though.

In fairness having lived in Ireland my entire life our media aren't short of headline grabbing dole welfare scrounge articles.

I'm actually not sure where this recent notion is that the media cosy up to these groups because that's not true.

I suspect it's an overflow from a certain new Yorkers tweets which has no real reflection of reality.

MFPM · 03-11-2018 8:03pm

tretorn wrote: »

I cant tell you how Ms Cash is walking around and helping her self to clothes without paying for them, its very lax of Penneys security staff to let anyone walk out the door with three hundred euros worth of clothes but there you go.
It would appear that maybe travellers who commit more serious crimes than relieving stores of hundreds of euros worth of clothes are in prison. I cant help you anymore. Maybe if you put in a freedom of information request you can find out the proportion of travellers who are in jail and what they are there for.

I cant tell you how Ms Cash is walking around and helping her self to clothes without paying for them, its very lax of Penneys security staff to let anyone walk out the door with three hundred euros worth of clothes but there you go.

She's not the first person to engage in shoplifting - what's your point?

It would appear that maybe travellers who commit more serious crimes than relieving stores of hundreds of euros worth of clothes are in prison.

The same applies to the settled community again what's your point?

Maybe if you put in a freedom of information request you can find out the proportion of travellers who are in jail and what they are there for.

Why would I do that and why would I limit it to the Travelling community?

Redneck Culchie · 03-11-2018 8:03pm

tretorn wrote: »

How in the name of God does Tubridy get to trouser almost 500,00 thousand a year.

This puts him on a par with medical consultants with years of specialist training behind them and jobs that carry huge personal responnsibility.

Tubridy was disgraceful last night, he is completely inane on both Radio and TV so who or what is his salary benchmarked against.

He's related to Todd Andrews former director of RTE. He started in RTE age 12.
In Ireland it's not what you know, it's who you know. He certainly is not there for talent as last night showed.

MFPM · 03-11-2018 8:04pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Homeless my arse.

Hey out and pay your own way in life.

What are you on about?

Spanish Eyes · 03-11-2018 8:04pm

MFPM wrote: »

No idea and what relevance is her convictions?

Ah nothing at all, because the Guards are terrified of them. and their babbies and all the rest of it, get real.

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 8:04pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

And in your experience, when the Gardai arrived along and told them to move, did they up and leave? Was there any paperwork required? I did agree with you, there are no special provisions, but the process is not the same for travellers as it is for non-travellers, simply because non-travellers will acknowledge that they're illegally camped and move on. Travellers won't. Again, in my experience.

The best and most common excuse to not moving on was 'Where will we go?' - I don't know, anywhere you have permission maybe? Somewhere you've paid for?

And yes, I made a mistake on my recollection of a single bit of law from the thousands of bits of legislation out there. Got the act right though. Not bad for someone who has tried their best to leave that life behind. Still, I reckon i've more experience of enacting the legislation than you have. Law may be written in black and white, but the implementation of it is not black and white, as you seem to think it is.

...and that is the fault of those who administer the law.

MFPM · 03-11-2018 8:05pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I have no idea, but I doubt they are occupied right now.

This development just shouts out that Travellers are "OTHER" They decided that by welcoming ethnic status though.

Casey is right, they are Irish and not a different race, but show me a non Traveller person on the housing list that gets room for a horse and stables, and grazing.

It is our taxpayer money. We should demand accountability for this.

Might I suggest you take your head out of your bigoted ar$e and look at the facts of the situation - you're simply aping Casey.

Plumbthedepths · 03-11-2018 8:06pm

Still waiting on Listermint to back up his claim that my posts contain 'bile'. As i said I believe I have 120+ posts now so still easy to find them. Quote away or do I assume you lied?

FrancieBrady · 03-11-2018 8:06pm

Redneck Culchie wrote: »

He's related to Todd Andrews former director of RTE. He started in RTE age 12.
In Ireland it's not what you know, it's who you know. He certainly is not there for talent as last night showed.

No defender of Tubridy, but who is his 'inside man' in the BBC?

Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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