Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

A Dub in Glasgo · 13-03-2019 6:30pm

Ignore Coburn - the biggest racist in Scotland

Hurrache · 13-03-2019 6:33pm

I always ignore him, but it's all amusing to watch him stroke out on Ireland issues, he's doubling down too.

lawred2 · 13-03-2019 6:42pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

To Article 50 presumably. From the link:

"Britain leaves without a deal on March 29th" versus "Brexit is delayed until after March 29th"

I get that.

They want an extension to do what?

Calltocall · 13-03-2019 6:44pm

lawred2 wrote: »

I get that.

They want an extension to do what?

To have another vote on a deal that won’t pass

maebee · 13-03-2019 6:45pm

Unionist farmer from Fermanagh very disillusioned with his elected reps, saying that NI will be resigned to a wasteland.
"People need bread & butter on the table, they can't eat a flag." He admits that Dublin has been more concerned about NI than Westminster has. Worth a listen:

Lunchtime Live - from 12.08

https://www.newstalk.com/listen-back

Water John · 13-03-2019 6:46pm

Spellman had some rambling explanation relaying an email she got from a constituent, but really whip pressure IWT.
She was withdrawing her motion at the wrong time and cannot act for her co signatories. But it takes the heat out of it for the Govn't.

Enzokk · 13-03-2019 6:49pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Meanwhile Boris has gone on talk radio and commented that money spent on historical child sex abuse inquiries is "£60m spaffed up the wall!"

For those not familiar with certain vulgar colloquialisms, spaffed means to ejaculate wildly. Needless to say carnage has erupted.

Oh BoJo, you are a legend.

Legend? No, he wasted more than £50m pounds on a non-existent bridge that is nothing more than a vanity project. He has some nerve to call an important investigation as wasting money when he had no problem "spaffing it up the wall" for his own projects.

An absurd vanity project for our age – Boris Johnson’s garden bridge

An itemised bill for its failure has just arrived: £53m in total, of which £2.76m (including VAT) went to the designer Thomas Heatherwick; £12.7m to the engineers Arup; £2.3m to lawyers; and £1.7m went on the salaries of the executives who didn’t in the end execute the project. It cost £1.3m to survey the riverbed and look for unexploded wartime bombs. The project’s adequate but unexceptional website cost £161,000.

The largest sum for this great patriotic endeavour – £21.4m – went to the suspiciously foreign-sounding joint venture of Bouygues Travaux Publics and Cimolai SpA, which won the tender to build the bridge in 2016. They had to be paid for their costs in gearing up for the works and then winding down. They were appointed despite substantial doubts about the viability of the project, at a time when neither the funds nor all the permissions needed were in place. One argument for doing so was that the bridge had to be built quickly, so as not to get in the way of the Thames Tideway tunnel, the giant sewer being constructed in the river.

Enzokk · 13-03-2019 6:51pm

Water John wrote: »

Spellman had some rambling explanation relaying an email she got from a constituent, but really whip pressure IWT.
She was withdrawing her motion at the wrong time and cannot act for her co signatories. But it takes the heat out of it for the Govn't.

Here is some information on the Spellman amendment and what has happened apparently.

https://twitter.com/politicalhackuk/status/1105888357425524736

Infini · 13-03-2019 6:53pm

maebee wrote: »

Unionist farmer from Fermanagh very disillusioned with his elected reps, saying that NI will be resigned to a wasteland.
"People need bread & butter on the table, they can't eat a flag." He admits that Dublin has been more concerned about NI than Westminster has. Worth a listen:

Lunchtime Live - from 12.08

https://www.newstalk.com/listen-back

Its these people the likes of the DUP are selling out for their ideological delusions and why they're utterly shooting their own heads off with their antics. Would certainly love to hear what that guy would think of Sammy Shítstirrers little chippy comment too and its people like them that wouod seriously consider a UI if presented with the option.

Professor Moriarty · 13-03-2019 6:53pm

lawred2 wrote: »

I get that.

They want an extension to do what?

Dunno. You'll have to ask YouGov!

J Mysterio · 13-03-2019 6:57pm

This is a little heartbreaking. Don't think it will embed unfortunately.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bu8lU4NjHUx/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_loading_state_control

lawred2 · 13-03-2019 6:57pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Dunno. You'll have to ask YouGov!

Stupid poll in my opinion. An extension isn't an endgame.

Shelga · 13-03-2019 7:05pm

J Mysterio wrote: »

This is a little heartbreaking. Don't think it will embed unfortunately.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bu8lU4NjHUx/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_loading_state_control

Thought it was real until the unicorn drawing, that’s one sarcastic 6 year old.

Hurrache · 13-03-2019 7:12pm

Water John wrote: »

Spellman had some rambling explanation relaying an email she got from a constituent, but really whip pressure IWT.
She was withdrawing her motion at the wrong time and cannot act for her co signatories. But it takes the heat out of it for the Govn't.

It's still up there though and can still be voted upon. It's a mess, Sky are even confused as to what's happening.

Mr.Nice Guy · 13-03-2019 7:14pm

Infini wrote: »

Its these people the likes of the DUP are selling out for their ideological delusions and why they're utterly shooting their own heads off with their antics. Would certainly love to hear what that guy would think of Sammy Shtirrers little chippy comment too and its people like them that wouod seriously consider a UI if presented with the option.

Unfortunately I think these people are the minority. Was listening to the Nolan Show and Talkback on BBC NI today and there's no indication of the unionist public being unhappy with the DUP. A few callers trotting out the line "nobody knows what's going to happen".

A recent Lucid Talk poll in January showed 65% of unionists preferred No Deal to 25% for May's deal. I'm not sure that number will have moved much in the last few weeks.

As Paisley showed last night on Newsnight, the DUP don't care about what the majority of NI thinks - "it's a sectarian headcount" in his own words - only what their base thinks; so as long as the polls show most unionists are with the DUP message, the DUP won't budge an inch.

otnomart · 13-03-2019 7:14pm

New odds from Jon Worth:
-No Deal 32%
-Gen Election (req Art 50 ext.) 23%
-May's Deal 1%
-Spiral of tedium 16%
-#PeoplesVote (req ext.) 17%
-Rescind Art50 3%
-UK in EU until 2020 6%
https://jonworth.eu/brexit-where-now-the-flow-diagrams/
If I was betting, I would put money on a General Election

Hurrache · 13-03-2019 7:14pm

Shelga wrote: »

Thought it was real until the unicorn drawing, that’s one sarcastic 6 year old.

I did laugh when I saw it today, I'd say a sarcy parent may have suggested it.

Harry Palmr · 13-03-2019 7:15pm

HoC debate (member for North West Leicestershire who fought them on the beaches) - Oh boy GATT article 24 invoked again :rolleyes:

J Mysterio · 13-03-2019 7:16pm

Shelga wrote: »

Thought it was real until the unicorn drawing, that’s one sarcastic 6 year old.

Well, thats a little cynical. Could well be little Sophie overheard the adults talking about Brexit (unicorns).

Professor Moriarty · 13-03-2019 7:21pm

lawred2 wrote: »

Stupid poll in my opinion. An extension isn't an endgame.

I'm not sure what point you're making?

Hurrache · 13-03-2019 7:23pm

More on the direct rule thing, it apparently was May who brought it up. I still don't see it as a threat to the DUP though.

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1105882063373246465?s=19

spacecoyote · 13-03-2019 7:25pm

https://twitter.com/TheIndGroup/status/1105549441141014531

@Leroy

You mentioned earlier that no one is calling out the fact the Brexit campaign pols have disappeared, leaving ordinary Joe to pay the price.

Soubry did her best to do so it appears

Roger_007 · 13-03-2019 7:28pm

Hurrache wrote: »

More on the direct rule thing, it apparently was May who brought it up. I still don't see it as a threat to the DUP though.

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1105882063373246465?s=19

The DUP would only be delighted with DR. Any excuse to ditch the Assembly which they have no intention of going back to anyway.

Professor Moriarty · 13-03-2019 7:29pm

A Lib Dem MP opened up the debate today by asking if any MPs stood to make money out of No Deal. Needless to say, nobody put their hands up.

Havockk · 13-03-2019 7:29pm

Hurrache wrote: »

More on the direct rule thing, it apparently was May who brought it up. I still don't see it as a threat to the DUP though.

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1105882063373246465?s=19

The DUP would most likely be quite happy to return to DR. Not sure how Peston thinks this is pressure being exerted on them.

Imreoir2 · 13-03-2019 7:29pm

Hurrache wrote: »

More on the direct rule thing, it apparently was May who brought it up. I still don't see it as a threat to the DUP though.

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1105882063373246465?s=19

Not a threat to the DUP, if anything the DUP would be quite happy with direct rule shutting SF out of power compleatly, but it is definatly a threat to NI's future in the UK.

briany · 13-03-2019 7:31pm

maebee wrote: »

Unionist farmer from Fermanagh very disillusioned with his elected reps, saying that NI will be resigned to a wasteland.
"People need bread & butter on the table, they can't eat a flag." He admits that Dublin has been more concerned about NI than Westminster has. Worth a listen:

We have to remember that NI represents but a small fraction of the overall UK population. It's sort of the UK's Carlow. Easily forgotten about, and I worry the UK are only begrudgingly sticking to their commitment to peace in the region.

prawnsambo · 13-03-2019 7:32pm

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Not a threat to the DUP, if anything the DUP would be quite happy with direct rule shutting SF out of power compleatly, but it is definatly a threat to NI's future in the UK.

Well they might stop getting paid their salaries. Not sure they'd be fond of that idea. And of course no more cash for ash.

Harry Palmr · 13-03-2019 7:33pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

A Lib Dem MP opened up the debate today by asking if any MPs stood to make money out of No Deal. Needless to say, nobody put their hands up.

Anna Soubry (or was it Jess Phillips) alluded to the Minister for the 18th century Dublin based fiscal maneuvering in her speech.

briany · 13-03-2019 7:34pm

Hurrache wrote: »

More on the direct rule thing, it apparently was May who brought it up. I still don't see it as a threat to the DUP though.

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1105882063373246465?s=19

The DUP would love it, up until the point that the Westminster government starts legislating in favour of abortion and same-sex marriage.

Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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