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CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

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    #5012
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    Gynoid wrote: »
    I know some have dismissed the haemoglobin preliminary thesis, (which has been put forward by Dr Cameron Kyle Sidell also - I confess I have not watched his video but will soon), as being speculative. It is of course very early to theorise, but given that it specifically contraindicates ventilators as a treatment, I hope speedy peer review is taking place on the thesis and further quick research. Transfusion for haemoglobin purposes, rather than just antibodies, may be better than ventilation going by this idea. A short while ago I know someone who had severe haemorrhage which necessitated emergency transfusion and the symptom preceding going to the ICU was incredibly sudden weakness, and a feeling of burning in muscles if they tried to walk. I have read so many talk of a similar weakness if moving and also chest muscle burning sensation re Covid. Anecdotal, I know! But perhaps there is merit in the theory?
    Here is the pre review paper again

    https://chemrxiv.org/articles/COVID-19_Disease_ORF8_and_Surface_Glycoprotein_Inhibit_Heme_Metabolism_by_Binding_to_Porphyrin/11938173

    I don't think a transfusion is going to help if you are suffering from ARDS. Sounds very pie in the sky.


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    #5013
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    NetChat101 wrote: »
    New rules during this time - the pharmacist can give you medicines from a prescription that has gone out of date, without you going back to your GP. They use their discretion in all cases but if it's something you regularly get I wouldn't think you'll have a problem getting it now.

    That's is only partially true. Regulations stay in place for drugs of abuse. But yeah, if you are looking for BP medication, T2DM treatment, then it is at the pharmacists discretion.

    Benzos, morphine, oxycodone very unlikely to get off an out of date prescription although technically it's at the pharmacist's discretion, would be be bad practice in general.


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    #5014
    harr
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    Mater ICU now full ..


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    #5015
    Akrasia
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    Why aren’t there public health messages saying that people exercising follow a kind of one way system and should walk on the right side of the road even if there is a footpath.

    If everyone walked on the right, then the only reason you would have to pass someone on the same side would be if you were overtaking them, it would hugely reduce the number of times you come into close contact with strangers this reducing the spread of the virus from community contact


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    #5016
    Assetbacked
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    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    It’s a pity groups out in public aren’t limited to 2. Post on Facebook earlier, father of a family of 5 complaining that people are getting too close to them when they’re out walking. 5 people on a footpath, I can only imagine how difficult it is to pass that gang without coming close, yet they’re the ones complaining.

    Limit it to 2 people for the time being, make life easier and safer for all.

    I've noticed this, both parents and two or more kids out as group. Such idiots. Split up into groups of 2/3!


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    #5017
    stephenjmcd
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    harr wrote: »
    Mater ICU now full ..

    That's the original ICU beds, they have the additional ones available.


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    #5018
    Hamsterchops
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    froog wrote: »
    discouraging checkpoints? laughable. how exactly will that go?

    "excuse me sir where are you going?"
    "my holiday home in galway"
    "you really shouldn't you know"
    "nah i'm grand, see ya"
    "bye now"

    That's like a scene from Father Ted :)


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    #5019
    harr
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    That's the original ICU beds, they have the additional ones available.
    Yes apologies I should have added that’s the normal allocation of ICU beds


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    #5020
    splinter65
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    harr wrote: »
    Mater ICU now full ..

    Just want to confirm this. RTÉ News Now


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    #5021
    Away With The Fairies
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I don't think a transfusion is going to help if you are suffering from ARDS. Sounds very pie in the sky.

    That doctor thinks they're treating the wrong disease and it's not ARDS.


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    #5022
    stephenjmcd
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    harr wrote: »
    Yes apologies I should have added that’s the normal allocation of ICU beds

    No worries, just to add, the maters original ICU unit is 18 beds.


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    #5023
    schmoo2k
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    That's the original ICU beds, they have the additional ones available.

    IMO this is promissing as it may well mean we locked down early enough - assuming the goal of lockdown is to ensure:
    * ICUs never run out of capacity
    * Lockdown is not too extreme

    Ideally we want the 80% of folks who will get normal mild symptons to catch it and come out the other side (and go back to work) without running out of ICU capactity...


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    #5024
    Snow Garden
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    sonofenoch wrote: »
    Who's on 3rd?

    No Who is on first, I don't know is on 3rd.


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    #5025
    stephenjmcd
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    schmoo2k wrote: »
    IMO this is promissing as it may well mean we locked down early enough - assuming the goal of lockdown is to ensure:
    * ICUs never run out of capacity
    * Lockdown is not too extreme

    Ideally we want the 80% of folks who will get normal mild symptons to catch it and come out the other side (and go back to work) without running out of ICU capactity...

    It's still a bad situation when the original 18 ICU beds are full. They can scale up an additional 18 in the high dependency unit, he did mention they can ventilate in additional wards if needed, so it sounds like they have a plan in place. Just hope it doesn't get to a point where the surge capacity is full.


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    #5026
    is_that_so
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    Interesting Spanish plan , with rapid and PCR tests combined.

    https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-04-08/spain-to-test-30000-families-for-the-coronavirus.html


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    #5027
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    @The Dazzler

    How’s things on your section of the frontline? Hope you’re doing ok.

    Morning everyone :)


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    #5028
    voluntary
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    schmoo2k wrote: »

    Ideally we want the 80% of folks who will get normal mild symptons to catch it and come out the other side (and go back to work) without running out of ICU capactity...

    We still have no idea what are the long term side effects of catching this virus. We don't know if ther'e not any permanent damage made which will only identify itself in months or even years ahead or even in the next generation.

    As an example, if the virus would cause a high rate of infertility, would we even know that at this stage? I doubt.


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    #5029
    is_that_so
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Why aren’t there public health messages saying that people exercising follow a kind of one way system and should walk on the right side of the road even if there is a footpath.

    If everyone walked on the right, then the only reason you would have to pass someone on the same side would be if you were overtaking them, it would hugely reduce the number of times you come into close contact with strangers this reducing the spread of the virus from community contact
    That this post gets more complicated as it goes on explains why they don't! The majority are doing what they should be doing.


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    #5030
    Gynoid
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I don't think a transfusion is going to help if you are suffering from ARDS. Sounds very pie in the sky.

    The point, or at least one of them, is that severe Covid does not present as typical ARDS. I watched the Dr Cameron videos now, he has been running an ICU Covid unit for the past week. He says the patients do not have the respiratory muscle fatigue that is usually an indicator for ventilation. They have extremely low oxygen saturation, he says ( which is a function of haemoglobin - I have not heard or missed hearing him say haemoglobin, that is from a link to the pre review paper idea). He says the ventilators should not be used to pressurise the lungs to mechanically make the patient breathe, as their lungs can breathe and the mechanical pressure may damage them. The ventilators should be used at low pressure settings but high oxygen settings. There is more, but you can follow yourself. A Dr Gattononi in Gottingen, Germany has published similar opinions that this is not typical ARDS.

    Edit the transfusion idea was mine, from a different video where people were discussing haemoglobin. The atypical ARDS and oxygen and different ventilator methids etc is all from other sources


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    #5031
    Bobtheman
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    That this post gets more complicated as it goes on explains why they don't! The majority are doing what they should be doing.

    Ah for **** sake. Passing somebody a few seconds won't get you the virus unless they cough on you.


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    #5032
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Why aren’t there public health messages saying that people exercising follow a kind of one way system and should walk on the right side of the road even if there is a footpath.

    If everyone walked on the right, then the only reason you would have to pass someone on the same side would be if you were overtaking them, it would hugely reduce the number of times you come into close contact with strangers this reducing the spread of the virus from community contact

    You mean, like in the States?

    Walk on the right side
    Since here in the United States we drive on the right side, walking on the right side feels natural. If everyone can agree to walk on the right side, we can avoid the bob-and-weave dance of sidewalk navigation, and avoid bumping into each other.
    Walk on the edge of narrow sidewalks
    Unless you are walking on a super wide sidewalk, stay near the edge to ensure that there can be a six-foot space between yourself and a passer.


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    #5033
    petes
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    Bobtheman wrote: »
    Ah for **** sake. Passing somebody a few seconds won't get you the virus unless they cough on you.

    And what if they did cough on you?


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    #5034
    schmoo2k
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    voluntary wrote: »
    We still have no idea what are the long term side effects of catching this virus. We don't know if ther'e not any permanent damage made which will only identify itself in months or even years ahead or even in the next generation.

    As an example, if the virus would cause a high rate of infertility, would we even know that at this stage? I doubt.

    Maybe (but there is initial evidence that folks who had it with little to no symptons don't have any lung scarring at least) - but the same argument could be said from a mental and economic standpoint, if we went into complete lockdown with the goal of ensuring no one new contracted it.

    Like most things its going to be finding the correct balance in the middle - reasnoble/practicle lockdown and no one dieing because there was not enough ICU / Ventalators available...


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    #5035
    SNNUS
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    petes wrote: »
    And what if they did cough on you?

    Be 2 metres away FFS


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    #5036
    is_that_so
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    Bobtheman wrote: »
    Ah for **** sake. Passing somebody a few seconds won't get you the virus unless they cough on you.
    Yeah, I know. Not sure why you're taking a swing at me as the other poster was suggesting that supercomplicated advice. Been inside too long, maybe? :D


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    #5037
    IspeakcozIcan
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    That's the original ICU beds, they have the additional ones available.

    Just to add, they have moved non-COVID patients from the ICU to these additional beds so they are not all available.

    There is an issue with staff now going forward. ICU nurses are highly trained and the standard is one nurse per patient. This might need to change.


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    #5038
    petes
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    SNNUS wrote: »
    Be 2 metres away FFS

    Leave out the FFS please, it's use is moronic in this thread.

    I was only replying to the poster who said 'unless they cough on you'. There should be no complacency although there is in the small minority.

    Everyone should be two metres away.


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    #5039
    niallo27
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    voluntary wrote: »
    We still have no idea what are the long term side effects of catching this virus. We don't know if ther'e not any permanent damage made which will only identify itself in months or even years ahead or even in the next generation.

    As an example, if the virus would cause a high rate of infertility, would we even know that at this stage? I doubt.

    It could also cause you to grow a second head but past experiences with similar viruses show the probability that this will not happen. Why post scaremongering stuff like this.


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    #5040
    SNNUS
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    What annoys me with the walking is family groups who take over the whole path and look horrified when they see a single person approaching but will still take up the whole width of the path and still give the bad eye to the single person who is now on the road to avoid them.


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    #5041
    Gael23
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    ICU in the Mater is at capacity


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